tonight i will compare Oppo DV-970HD vs Jolida JD100
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »As for the Stereophile review... it was praised as an excellent transport and not much else. Even the reviewer couldn't bring himself to trumpet its praises when used as a standalone player.
I'm thinking the transport is the weakest aspect of the Oppo. The flimsy plastic tray, and it takes forever to load a disc.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
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I'm thinking the transport is the weakest aspect of the Oppo. The flimsy plastic tray, and it takes forever to load a disc.
I would have thought that to, but that's precisely what Stereophile singles out as its saving grace. Granted the DAC was probably 25X the cost of the Oppo...
Hearingimpaired has seemed to discovered some success when using it in this fashion.
To be honest, I'm still not sold. That tray defines "flimsy".I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
zombie boy 2000 wrote: »That tray defines "flimsy".
which part of "a-buck-fifty" don't you get it, boy?
I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie. -
which part of "a-buck-fifty" don't you get it, boy?
What can I say? I'd prefer not to load a CD onto a palm frond:DI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I'll throw out my opinion just for good measure.
I compared the OPPO 981 to my Pioneer Elite and preferred the Elite.
I compared the Elite to a NOS DAC and it was a toss up.
I compared the DAC to the 981 and prefered the DAC.
I compared the Jolida JD-100 to the DAC and preferred the Jolida.
I compared the Elite to the Jolida and preferred the Jolida.
So I never actually compared the 981 to the Jolida but it should be
981<NOS DAC=Elite<Jolida
Either way everything I have was better then the OPPO.
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I agree. Consider it a blessing. You can utilize the cheaper player and be content knowing you have the player for you.
I too have the Oppo and Jolida and the vocals on the Jolida totally pop out more to me. It kind of gives me that sound like I'm chilling in a small room listening to a band play some tunes. More like the singer is right there in front of me. Considering I got one for $600, the price was worth it to me. I enjoy listening to music more on the Jolida.
thats what my buddy said. singer in front and music in the back. still was 50% wrong on blind test. and he noticed that only in one song. i would pay 300-400 bucks for such a player with such a small difference. -
Yes, it's the latest of the 'budget' players that has gotten some good reviews for CD playback, and a writeup in Stereophile.
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Stereophile is full of ****.
Let's not go nuts here.
Stereophile said, as a transport with an outboard DAC it was very good. The writer didn't give the CDP, full blown part of it, such great alcalades.
The writer from TAS said, "Despite its few quirks and sonic imperfections, the Oppo DV-970HD is the best low-priced universal player I've heard. it does so much, so well, for so little, that it makes many higher priced players seem like underachievers by comparison. Whether you are a newcomer looking for an excellent starter player or a veteran looking to sample high-resolution formats, the Oppo represents a fine way to get in the game."
I think both accounts are accurate.
I've been working with a couple of other members to help me aquire a really hi-rez CD/SACD player because think I can do better.
In the meantime, my Oppo/Timbre DAC combo delivers the goods. I've been listening to the box set of Led Zepplin, the studio recordings and it sounds really great!!! When I first heard this box set on this rig it sounded like glass breaking, digital glare, ****. However I didn't loose site of the fact that since then, I've added a new digital cable from the Oppo to the Timbre DAC, new really good ICs from the DAC to the preamp, upgraded the tweeters to RD0198s, bi-amp'd the speakers, Dynamated the mid-woofers/PRs basket spokes, and Lord knows what I am leaving out and all those tweaks/upgrades had a cumulative affect.
The Oppo as a full blown CDP is not tolerable for very long. With certain recordings it sounds very, very good but that is due to the recordings. In my opinion, I need to have it paired with my Timbre DAC or else it is just another DVD player. Compared to two different tubed CDPs that I had in my rig, the Oppo beat them and that I believe is only because my preamp and the tubed CDPs had very poor synergy. Those same tubed CDPs are in high end systems as I write this and are being thoroughly enjoyed.
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I got the impression from the review that it was a good transport for both video and audio, which is why it is such a good value. Combine the player for $150 with a good NOS DAC for $150 and you have a great audio and video player for $300.
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I bought the Oppo a while ago, and remember being pretty impressed with it's redbook CD playback. it was something I did not expect. it blew the doors off my Onkyo DVD player for cd playback and dvd audio.
is it the end all be all? of course not, but you can do far worse for 150.00. Heck, you can do worse for twice to 3 times that price in some instances too.
I never a/b'd it with the Jolida, since the Oppo is in my theater, and the Jolida is in the 2 channel, but Audio gear is funny. While I love my Jolida, the CAL DX-1 cd player I bought from Russman for a benji shipped comes REAL close to it. a skosh rolled off in the highs, but just as detailed as the Jolida.
I'll vouch for the Oppo on a seperate DAC. I listened at Joe's, and there was a significant difference between the Oppo straight and the Oppo running through the DAC. Neither were bad, but through the DAC was quite surprising.Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.
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Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »That tray defines "flimsy".
That tray scares the **** out of me when my klutzy 10 year old or my over sized (90 lb) puppy of a dog are in the room and I hit eject!!!:eek:
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thats what my buddy said. singer in front and music in the back. still was 50% wrong on blind test. and he noticed that only in one song. i would pay 300-400 bucks for such a player with such a small difference.
I'm sorry, but you're going to have to turn in your Audiophile card.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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What tubes were in the test Jolida BTW?
Also, just for the record, I'm sure there could be other limiting factors that could prevent the optimum out of either player, i.e. musical material, room dynamics, speaker positioning, interconnects, etc. In other words, in other system environments the result obviously would or could be totally different or more obvious. I know....duh! :rolleyes: Just thought I'd say it anyway.
The only comparisons I've done with my Jolida were against an older H/K 7600HD (nice for it's time) and a Sherwood Newcastle player. In both cases the Jolida blew them away.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
I don't have the Oppo.. but they sure are selling alot of players to audiophiles now because of the reviews.
Why don't they upgrade the flimsy tray and resell it for $199 instead?PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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danger boy wrote: »I don't have the Oppo.. but they sure are selling alot of players to audiophiles now because of the reviews.
Why don't they upgrade the flimsy tray and resell it for $199 instead?
I wouldn't have bought it if it were $200. Believe it or not the $149.95 price tag made this one of those, "what the hell it's only $150 what's the worse that could happen?" Then I found out that Oppo has fabulous customer service.
For $200 I would have to hear it first before buying it. That is how I came across the Marigo mat. I heard it in Phil's system. We A/B'd it and I was sold. -
LOL, the problem is that they were using a $9000/ft IC with the Oppo to get that great sound....
Doesen't everyone?
Jeez, you mean you dont? Lovin that music year after year.
Main 2 Channel System
Polk SDA-1B,
Promitheus Audio TVC SE,
Rotel RB-980BX,
OPPO DV-970HD,
Lite Audio DAC AH,
IXOS XHA305 Interconnects
Computer Rig
Polk SDA CRS+,
Creek Audio 5350 SE,
Morrow Audio MA1 Interconnect,
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got myself DAC-AH M1. will see what that sounds like. at least its only $225 and 30 days money back.
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That DAC will not work with the Oppo. I've tried that exact combination myself.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »That DAC will not work with the Oppo. I've tried that exact combination myself.
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For whatever reason, there are compatability issues. You'll just get white noise. Maybe they've ironed it out by this point... However, I enjoyed it immensely with other CDP/transports. It mated splendidly with a Rotel I had. It even made beautiful music with some beater Pioneer multi-changer I had in the closet.
Your best bet is to contact them.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
just called them. and they say it should work just finezombie boy 2000 wrote: »For whatever reason, there are compatability issues. You'll just get white noise. Maybe they've ironed it out by this point... However, I enjoyed it immensely with other CDP/transports. It mated splendidly with a Rotel I had. It even made beautiful music with some beater Pioneer multi-changer I had in the closet.
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Good deal. Let us know your impressions when you have it up and running:)I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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I'm sorry, but you're going to have to turn in your Audiophile card.
I don't have an audiophile card. Couldn't afford it.
Do you hear that buzzing noise?
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so i finally got DAC-AH M1. shipping was quick and DAC looks good. it DOES work with Oppo, and i am using optical (no there is no difference between optical and coaxial)
I compared this DAC to OPPO more accurately this time (instant a/b, with Jolida i had to switch cables) so I AM NOT SAYING THAT DAC-AH IS BETTER THEN JOLIDA.
The first thing i noticed is that DAC plays louder and therefore it makes it harder to compare. it does sound a little better, and instrument separation is better. for $225 spent i think its a win. now i wish i could have compared this DAC to Jolida with instant a/b switch, although i am sure that i wouldn't buy Jolida for $950 -
The first thing i noticed is that DAC plays louder and therefore it makes it harder to compare.
Actually, it makes it prety much impossible to compare. Louder always seems to have more detail.
Any way you could level match them? I have been intersted in getting one of the inexpensive DAC's from Pacific Valve, a direct comparison would be great. -
Actually, it makes it prety much impossible to compare. Louder always seems to have more detail.
Any way you could level match them? I have been intersted in getting one of the inexpensive DAC's from Pacific Valve, a direct comparison would be great.
i turned the volume up a bit without the DAC to match the volume.
thats why i say, unlike Jolida, money wise, it's a win:
1. if you don't like it, simply return it (only loose on shipping $20-25 bucks)
2. if you do like it is only $225 (modded. the reqular is $170 i think)
here is another web site for DACs:
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If Stereophile says it does something, it does. I think if it doesn't they either move onto another product to review or work with the manufacturer to correct the problem.
On this particular machine they stated several things they thought were exceptional and some it fell short on. I bought mine based on their opinion.
madmaxVinyl, the final frontier...
Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want...
