jolida tube amps and lsi's

JimBRICK

I want to put together a value 2 chan set up.
do the jolida products mesh well with the LSI7's?

Yashu

Are you thinking of their all tube amps or their hybrid amps.

I would say that you would need one of their hybrid amps to get the power you need for the LSi.

madmax

You can use very high powered amps with the LSi7's. Tube power really doesn't cut it with them unless you listen fairly softly.
madmax

pearsall001

That's a tough one to call. You'd really have to give one a listen paired up with your 7's to see well how it performs. For what it's worth, I had a 502B running my AAD 2001 monitors, which are very power hungry (86db/8ohm). They sounded wonderful but the 502B didn't have enough "umph" for my liking. I've since moved on to my AVA ss amp & it is a perfect match.

JimBRICK

so let me ask this then, for a 2 channel setup what would you pair with the lsi7's?

I was looking at some integrated amps but I thought tubes were the way to go with a 2 channel setup



btw the jolida I was looking at was

JD 1501A
http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1501.shtml

JimBRICK

oh well I think I found what I'm looking for

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html


and look at that price

F1nut

You're looking at two completely different animals. The 1501 is a hybrid integrated with SS power and a tube pre amp section, which should drive the LSi 7's without issue. The Outlaw is a SS receiver complete with tone controls....UGH!

engtaz

I an lost on this thread.

Yashu

Don't knock tone controls. As long as it has a defeat they can be mildly useful. I crank them up when I break in a set of speakers, makes break in go a lot faster, but that is about all they are useful for.

Like I said earlier about the hybrid amps, I think they would work, just not the all tube amps. I almost bought one of the hybrids. They are a damn good deal.

madmax

I would look towards a higher power seperate amp and preamp to get the best in 2 channel. For about the same price as the outlaw you can find a good used 2 channel 200 to 400 watt amp which would really do a nice job with the 7's. Something of the sunfire/carver nature or other decent class amps. It all depends on where you want to go more than anything else.
madmax

JimBRICK

I want to keep this easy to use (wife) and relatively cheap. The outlaw has tons of power and with an all in one usit the wifey can use it too Seeing that the 7's are actually 6 ohm they should be easy to power with this integrated. I find theres too much trouble for tubes for me. I want to be able to flink on a switch and away I go.

madmax

The Jolida should sound much better if I had my guess. Not sure of the price difference.
madmax

JimBRICK

actually the prices were bang on. but with little knowledge of tubes and no one around that I can get to come help hands on, I'm a little gun shy of buying one.

F1nut

1. The Outlaw is NOT an integrated amp, it's a receiver. The Jolida is an integrated amp.
2. They are both SS power and both rated at 100wpc @ 8 ohms. The only tubes in the Jolida are in the pre amp section and should easily last 10,000 hours or more. You don't even have to bias them, so what trouble, you've never owned tube gear?
3. Either one one is power up and play, so your wife will be happy.
4. All the help you'll need is right here at Club Polk.
5. The Jolida will sound better.

JimBRICK

ok ok f1 lol.
yes I've never had anything tube before but have heard them and think they are more alive
You've sold me on the Jolida which is what I wanted anyways. I was just a little apprehensive because of what I've read here.
I figured the 100w of tube power would be plenty for these speakers

settled done and done. I am ordering that jolida in a few weeks when my speakers are closer to arriving

Midnite Mick

There you go.

Having a tube preamp and having tube amps are totally different. A simple tube preamp is hardly no maintenance at all. Just keep a single set of replacements for when needed. It is also fun to do a little research and try other ones if you get bored.

Mike

edit: Jim just beat my post.

JimBRICK

so how do different tubes do different things? a tube is a tube isnt it?

madmax

http://store.tivocommunity.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=EA&Product_Code=1303&Category_Code=

Is this the same one? I've heard of others buying from this site.
madmax

engtaz

wooooo wrong thing to say (tube is a tube is that like saying a speaker is speaker or a sub is a sub) LOL

madmax

Different tubes have a slight variation in tonal output. Some are better, worse or different from each other. No biggie but a good way to upgrade some day when you decide you want it to sound a little different.
madmax

JimBRICK

AHHHH I get you. Like spark plugs in a car you get different reactions from the way their built

cfrizz

You all obviously didn't bother reading the specs of the LSI's 7's

Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 45Hz - 27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 53Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 -150 w/channel
Efficiency 88 dB
Crossover 2.4kHz; HPF 18dB/oct, LPF 12dB/oct.
Inputs Dual 5-way binding posts for bi-amp/bi-wire

These are NOT 6ohm speakers, nor does Polk describe them that way.

Running these speakers on a 50wpc Rotel amp had it frying an egg at the end of the listening session.

Power them properly for best results.

JimBRICK

cfrizz wrote: »

You all obviously didn't bother reading the specs of the LSI's 7's

Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 45Hz - 27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 53Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 -150 w/channel
Efficiency 88 dB
Crossover 2.4kHz; HPF 18dB/oct, LPF 12dB/oct.
Inputs Dual 5-way binding posts for bi-amp/bi-wire

These are NOT 6ohm speakers, nor does Polk describe them that way.

Running these speakers on a 50wpc Rotel amp had it frying an egg at the end of the listening session.

Power them properly for best results.

Actually if you've read on the net the people who have actually sat down and rated these after testing them they found they were running at 6 ohms. Check out the november 2006 issue of affordable audio test on them

cfrizz

Sorry Jim, but I would think Polk would know why they rated them at 4ohms regardless of what other people tested them at.

Ken I see you on here. Why were they rated at 4ohm?

JimBRICK

Joey_V wrote: »

if it makes you feel you somewhat better... the lsi7 is closer to being rated a 6ohm speaker according to measurements done by stereophile and a fellow forum member.

check out the rating they gave

madmax

JimBRICK wrote: »

AHHHH I get you. Like spark plugs in a car you get different reactions from the way their built

Absolutely correct. I could not have come up with a better analogy.
madmax

F1nut

It would be worth inquiring at Jolida if the 1501 is rated to drive less than an 8 ohm load. Their site doesn't say.

jrlouie

JimBRICK wrote: »

I figured the 100w of tube power would be plenty for these speakers

Just for clarity, this is not 100w of tube power. It is a hybrid (i.e. - 100 watts of solid state power with an internal tube pre-amp to give it that lovely tube sound which can be a very nice combination).

markmarc

The JoLida 1501 will have no problem with the Lsi7's. Unfortunately, when I had the 7's in for review they were sent back just a day or so before the 1501A I'm reviewing showed up.

My Onix SP3 Integrated tube at 38wpc a side made the 7's sing. You won't have a problem. Remember, quality power is far more important then quantity power with the LSi's.

Midnite Mick

Where is the sentiment that tubes do not work well with the Lsi's coming from. My tubes drove the 15's with no problem at all. They could drive them at db's far greater than most of us could tolerate (room is only 10 x 17 however) and still keep the bass under control.

Thanks,
Mike

RuSsMaN

I have no idea Mick. The 9's were demoed at the Lone Star Audio Fest on a Dodd 50w/ch EL34 amp and they sounded great, and played plenty loud too.