FS: TWO Outlaw 2200 monoblocks - $375

VR3

I dont see what he did wrong...

Some people dont want to wait days, weeks for someone to snatch up a killer dealer.

He offered it for a lower price atleast. Some people will use the flea market...well... as a flea market. Lets face it.

dkg999

It might be nice if we all remember to make note if we have an item also listed for sale elsewhere. Other than that, there was a special deal offered for Club Polk, and that seems fair enough. I'm not seeing the big deal. Lots of other FM postings have noted that at a certain point the item would be listed elsewhere.

zombie boy 2000

Good point dkg...
making others aware of a "dual posting" might benefit both parties -- a quicker sale for the seller and the catalyst to buy for a buyer. Personally, I've listed some items solely on Audiogon if I felt that I needed a quick sale and the item would most likely not garner any interest on the Forum.

Swingaling.... I don't think anyone was really "whining", so much as giving you a bit of a razz. It wasn't that your sale was malicious, selfish, or in bad form, it was just a bit "unorthodox". Forced a few individuals to perform a double-take.

Steve is absolutely 100% spot-on with his comments concerning "karma".

Schwingding

As I said, I know you all to be a really good bunch of guys, and until this incident, have never had any reason at all to think even the slightest bit otherwise. The people here are a little unique in their acceptance of all flavors of product, and audiogeeks of all nuances and abilities. I like that. This forum was the first place I came to when I started to get interested in this hobby and the help I found here was extraordinary. I won't forget that, and that is why I am willing to give a few extra $$$ on the stuff I sell here.

I think it is a great idea to disclose that a particular item is also listed elsewhere and I'll be sure to do that next time if I do so, but I'll also try to give my fellow Polkie's a few days' head start.

zombie boy 2000

No worries here. I think it was really cool of you to offer them at such a low pricepoint. All I ask of you is to keep us updated on the Onix and Stratas.

Schwingding

You can forget about seeing the Onix SP3 and Strata Minis going for sale anytime soon! They're staying in the house.

Ricardo

I started with all the whining....I guess I like whining

Anyway, you offered a hell of a good price, so that part of the "karma" was definitely met and appreciated. I just felt I would have been pissed if I had decided to buy and had gotten the "it was sold locally" answer.....but on the other hand, there's nothing written on this regards, and if anyone really wanted them they had a few hours to buy. As many others said, it would be nice to mention if it is also for sale somewhere else.

zombie boy 2000

Schwingding wrote: »

You can forget about seeing the Onix SP3 and Strata Minis going for sale anytime soon! They're staying in the house.

I think I just saw an Onix SP3 on Craigslist.














J/K:p

MSALLA

I would have jumped on these if I saw them intime. No harm though. At least we had a chance.

John in MA

Ever since I joined the Polk crowd I've gotten the feeling folks have some odd entitled attitudes about the FS board here. If someone sells something it has to be cheaper than elsewhere, it has to only be sold here, it has to be like new, the seller has to not be making a profit, the terms of the deal have to greatly favor prospective buyers, and the seller must accept low offers.

I don't understand the big deal. As long as someone's not just dropping in to make a sale or trying to cheat people, a person is free to sell something in any reasonable way. I've seen stuff folks are selling here posted other places like CL and AG before.

Schwingding was already doing the Polk comunity a favor by advertising lower prices to members. If someone elsewhere wants to pay more there's no issue in my mind, assuming no one here already agreed to buy it.

steveinaz

John
It's not so much "giving stuff away" as it is offering it here first. The flea market gives Polkies somewhere to go to avoid all the crap that ebay and others deal out, such as over-rated condition of equipment, etc.

Personally (I could be wrong), I see the FM as a place to offer special deals for Polkies. I have let people make payments, offered very cheap prices, and guaranteed everything I have ever sold here. I offer it up here because I'm not concerned about making good money---I do it to give someone else an opportunity to try something they may otherwise pass on due to price.

zombie boy 2000

John... With all due respect, it's not about "entitlement". It has everything to do with the good Karma that Steve previously mentioned. I would hope by now you understand that this is more than a Forum. It is a community. And a healthy, happy community tends to look out for each other.

I'll play ball with all of your points. However, I refuse to believe that you would think it to be in any way acceptable to sell something in the Flea Market for profit.

Ricardo

John in MA wrote: »

Ever since I joined the Polk crowd I've gotten the feeling folks have some odd entitled attitudes about the FS board here.

Not sure I'd call them attitudes, but yes, many of us see the FM as a special place, reserved for us polkies, where members offer good deals to other members; deals you probably won't get easily elsewhere, and with a level of peace of mind you definitely don't get in many other places. As such, some members "police" the FM to keep it safe and warn others in case there's something to be concerned about (Nothing to do with this thread by the way).

If someone sells something it has to be cheaper than elsewhere,

Not necessarily, but as a general rule this is the case (I have bought things here and found out later that I paid higher that I should, but at the end if I decided to buy, it's because at the time it seemed a good deal)

it has to only be sold here,

Not written anywhere and not a rule, but most FS items here fall in this category.

it has to be like new

Not at all; we just ask to have a fair description

the seller has to not be making a profit

Absolutely, if it's an item that was bought in the forum. Not a must if bought elsewhere. I bought a pair of SDA-SRS for $800 from Audiogon, and sold them here for $1,300; some members jumped at me, but at the end I was still offering a great deal, and decided to sell here at that prices vs going to ebay and sell for more.

the seller must accept low offers.

Don't know where you are getting this from; some members for sure might have received low ball offers, but we always say that this is not a bidding site, and when someone posts "make me an offer" they are asked to ask for a price.

Schwingding was already doing the Polk comunity a favor by advertising lower prices to members. If someone elsewhere wants to pay more there's no issue in my mind, assuming no one here already agreed to buy it.

Agree.

Not sure why you have this perception of the FM; maybe you had some bad experiences yourself. This FM is not perfect, but it's still a very safe place to buy and I would say at least 80% of the transactions can be called as a very good deals.

John in MA

I fully understand this is a community, and it's a great community. I've never had a bad experience here. My point is that the Flea Market exists for people to buy and sell things. If you sell something as a terrific deal for members, that's wonderful. However, I don't agree with the perception a few people have that every sale has to be for karma purposes.

If someone needs to sell something and lets non-Polkies know about it in addition, I don't see the problem with one of them buying it. And if someone has to get a certain price in order not to take a bath on an item, I don't think they should refrain from giving members an opportunity just because it might not be a screaming deal.

As far as my "make a profit comment" I didn't mean a sale where the only reason the person's selling it is to make a buck. I mean that if you buy an amplifier worth $500 for $5 at a yard sale and use it for six months before upgrading, I get the impression a lot of members would be angry if you tried to sell it here for $300 instead of $5.

zombie boy 2000

All good points John. Thanks for clarifying.

As for the selling items for profit here on the Forum, you made an excellent analogy. And HTrookie's story falls perfectly in line with this. As such, I can't help but find it acceptable.
I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of snatching a $500 CDP on the 'gon for $400 and flipping it here for $525. Yeah, it's your right to do so, but I personally wouldn't feel comfortable doing it.

Here's a example:

Russman had several Versalab woodblocks for sale at one point in the Flea Market for $30-35 apiece. If I'm not mistaken, these have been known to fetch closer to $80-90 on Audiogon. Haimoc bought one. I bought the other. When I no longer needed mine, I contacted Haimoc and sold it to him for what I paid Russ. I could have just as easily made an extra $50 selling it somewhere else. I just knew Haimoc wanted another one for his rig.

engtaz

Are we going to continue to beat the thread to death?

engtaz

zombie boy 2000

Engtaz...
I believe this to be a rather civilized discussion that will ultimately benefit all members. Wouldn't you agree that it's best we be on the same page so as to better avoid future skirmishes? No one has any beef with Sir Swingding... and I think he is a valuable member of this Forum.

steveinaz

engtaz wrote: »

Are we going to continue to beat the thread to death?

engtaz

Being vigilant is what makes the Polk FM so good and worry free. The minute we quit caring about how it operates---it goes down the toilet.

Ricardo

engtaz wrote: »

Are we going to continue to beat the thread to death?

engtaz

Yes, or at least until I get more posts than ZB2000....:p

zombie boy 2000

Jeez... I did pass you by, didn't I?
Seemed like only yesterday we were tied:D

John in MA

Thanks for understanding, no hard feelings I hope.

I'm actually trying to empty the listening room of used gear that I've collected, but I've been reluctant to post here since I don't want to be jumped on for being some kind of profiteer. I'd like to give local Polkies who can pick up (I'm paranoid about shipping) a chance to buy this stuff. I'm not sure how it would be received, though.

zombie boy 2000

Go ahead and throw it out there. I'm sure everything will be kosher.

dkg999

Go ahead and beat this thread to death!!!!! I have some Outlaw M200 amps that I am going to list in the next few days and I am waiting for this discussion to die down before I do!!!!!

MrNightly

steveinaz wrote: »

You're missing the point. The idea here is to give a Polkie first crack at some thing because you want to. If that's not your intent--then yes, take your sale somewhere else. Polk Flea market is all about GOOD karma---there's no need for "official rules" when it comes to good karma.

It's obvious to me that you're more interested in making a sale than you are in passing a good deal to a fellow polkie--do what you do. Bottom line, the FM isn't the place to "make money fast" it's a place to give someone else a chance to experience some hi-fi, that they may not be able to afford otherwise.

Hell, we can get e-bayed and Craigslisted on....well, ebay or Craigslist. Esta bien chancho?

BTW, your amp deal was very good.

I was just about to post the exact same comments... it's about a community helping each other out, not making money.

While I appreciate the opportunity for some monoblocks at a good price, I think that steveinaz was spot on. Leave ebay on ebay, and keep this a tight knit place.

My $.02.

EDIT: Didn't even read to page 2 before I posted... ditto's on ZB with his comments.

engtaz

But we it seams the same thing are getting repeated over and over just worded differently. This is a great forum and probably the best I have been on. People watch out for each and help each other.

engtaz

AndyGwis

I don't agree with you, engtaz, that things are getting repeated over and over.

With that said, this is a great forum and probably the best I have been on. People watch out for each other and help each other.

snow

I also have to say this is the one forum that seems to sell stuff very quickly and lots of it, compared to other forums I belong to and visit. I try to visit all the forums once daily and classfied sections.

Here if I stand a chance at a good deal. I had better have my credit card handy because they dont last long. Other forums ive seen stuff sit for weeks with little or no interest. It does happen here also but not near as often.

I have also noticed if someone is selling something here that if they have had good sales with other members they speak up and say so.

And the list that Shack keeps is worth a lot to me, to be able to look up a member in case I am interersted in something.

Nothing is perfect anwhere but I have to say there is no doubt in my mind that is the #-1 forum not only in amount of sales but peace of mind in the sales on buyers and sellers parts both. So I say BRAVO to all who make this forum up and to those who police this area its to the benefit of all here. REGARDS SNOW