Not getting enough bass on the RTi10's

F1nut

So Jeff, care to enlighten us as to what high end cables you have owned/tried?

(and no, pounding bass did not originate with rap, my young posters)

I'm not young, but I am curious. Where do you think it originated?

JeffBowser

I decline to be sucked into arguments, especially with someone at the 12k post level.

m00npie

JeffBowser wrote: »

I decline to be sucked into arguments, especially with someone at the 12k post level.

Who’s arguing? 1 post or 20000 posts…. Who cares! Please tell us why you think that gauge is the only importance. If you make statement like that, back it up with something other than a power plant in the back yard. Seriously, I have RTi10’s, I currently use BetterCables brand cables and I’m getting ready to purchase Audioquest Mont Blanc cables. Help me save a big wad of cash if you have something concrete to add…

JeffBowser

I interpreted F1's post tone (agreed, it's hard to read a tone) as negative, and it was that I was declining to get into. However, if concrete evidence is truly asked for, I can provide, as well as, I suspect, other members up here. Basically you are simply passing AC current, roughty 20hz to 20Mhz across relatively short distances. This is not a stressful environment at all, your main worry is enough copper to carry the current. I'll dig up backing research later for posting.

tonyb

JeffBowser wrote: »

I decline to be sucked into arguments, especially with someone at the 12k post level.

Jesse sucking people into an argument ??? Naaaaaaw.........:)

F1nut

If you're going to post your opinion on a matter, especially how you posted yours as all knowing, then you should expect a response such as mine and what's my post count have to do with anything?

Stating that you know music back to the late 50's does not answer the question about pounding bass. I honestly can't think of one genre that has pounding bass like rap and hip/hop do today. So please, enlighten me/us.

As for you trying every cable known to mankind, I have to call BS on that one.

A degree in EE, eh!?! Why did I know that from the moment I read your original post?

The only concrete evidence that counts is what a person hears on their set up, with their ears. Granted, not everyone can hear a difference. Perhaps it's their hearing, perhaps it's their gear or perhaps it's in their mind, I don't really know. However, other people can and do, so please don't tell me/us that it's all about gauge.

BTW, my intent wasn't to suck you into an agrument. Rather, I wanted to know more about how you arrived at your opinion, such as was it from actual experience or something else? I believe you have answered at least part of that now.

treitz3

JeffBowser wrote: »

Re:wire - don't let marketing departments fool you. It's all about guage when running speaker wire, not about fancy coatings and dielectrics, etc. (unless you live next door to a power plant and run your speaker wires for miles). Anyway, I reinvestigated my RTi10's last night after perusing this thread (and no, pounding bass did not originate with rap, my young posters). I discovered that my receiver cuts the output to the front speakers at 120hz, even whe I tell it I have large speakers. Deep bass was not even reaching my Polks.

Um. Well....uhhh, I have less than 200 posts and I agree with F1nut, so if you want to feel comfortable, you can respond to me. You make a claim like that, and you do not have to back it up, but in the audio world such a claim is bound to get some questions. Gotta expect that.

Oh, and please don't take this as a negative reply. Take it as genuine, please.;)

engtaz

This is not a slamming forum. It is a info holic forum that feeds off of idea and info.

When ask to back it up it is a effort to find more information.

Boy I sound like a Borg.LOL
engtaz

cfrizz

Naw, you are waaay too wordy. Borg would say "EXPLAIN, COMPLY!!!":D

engtaz wrote: »

This is not a slamming forum. It is a info holic forum that feeds off of idea and info.

When ask to back it up it is a effort to find more information.

Boy I sound like a Borg.LOL
engtaz

MSALLA

Wow, haven't seen a good wire fight in a long time.:rolleyes:
Look, we like good wires, you think they are a waste. This subject is taboo on here. Tends to bunch the panties pretty fast.

JeffBowser

I gather quickly that the wire subject is a heated one up here. I also gather that it won't matter much what I say at all, I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. I'm only on this board to learn what I can of my new speakers, it is not my intention to bunch panties.

jdhdiggs

treitz3 wrote: »

Um. Well....uhhh, I have less than 200 posts and I agree with F1nut, so if you want to feel comfortable, you can respond to me. You make a claim like that, and you do not have to back it up, but in the audio world such a claim is bound to get some questions. Gotta expect that.

Oh, and please don't take this as a negative reply. Take it as genuine, please.;)

Well, I have more than 200 posts and disagree with Jesse and agree with Jeff so there you go...

JeffBowser wrote: »

I gather quickly that the wire subject is a heated one up here. I also gather that it won't matter much what I say at all, I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. I'm only on this board to learn what I can of my new speakers, it is not my intention to bunch panties.

Exactly!

MSALLA

This is a grate fourm. You can (as I have ) learn alot and meet new friends. However, wires seem to be a cause for civil war on here. You can ask which ones to buy and questions like that, but never bring up "they work or don't work" the sides are split and the fights are a plenty.

JeffBowser

Ok, in the interest of keeping the peace, I'll leave well enough alone, but for the one or two that seemed interested in seeing something backing my claims, one article I typically use is here: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/cable-distortion-and-dielectric-biasing-debunked Also, here is an interesting article: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_2/ultralink-CL414-cable-5-2003.html

All that being said, I supply the above simply for reference. Those who think otherwise, fine, not gonna affect me any.

F1nut

Ok, I read though Mr. Putzeys article and find little merit in it as he is all over the place. He starts off saying, "Recently I've done a collection of measurements and tests on interconnect cables to see what I could find that would explain the sonic differences that many people, including myself, have grown accustomed to hearing." and then talks about condenser microphones, which I find odd as I thought his focus was on IC's for home audio. He then goes off on a tangent about balanced cables and concludes with, "to make cables disappear from the sonic equation, all that is needed is balanced transmission combined with sub-1ohm output impedance line drivers. I would like to propose this as a standard for audiophile equipment makers.

It shows that people who claim that cables do not make a difference are plainly deluding themselves. On the other hand, those that say that cables should not make a difference, are dead right."

HUH??? All it shows me is that he has no idea what the hell he's talking about. The obvious contridiction between his opening comment and his conclusion are enough to dismiss the article outright.

ohskigod

I'm friends with an engineer who for many reason engineers say, cables shouldnt make a difference. He has yet to find out why his guitar amp sounds different depending on where he plugs it in. I tell him not to think about it much, just accept the differences and plan accordingly

I hear differences in interconnects and speaker cables. not huge of course, they are subtle.

JeffBowser

OK, I ran a search on this very forum about wires, something I should have done before I commented. I see this has been a pretty touchy subject. F1nut, it is obvious to me you desire an argument, and with a newbie to the forum to boot. I respectfully decline, your tone and attitude, inasmuch as I can gather from words alone, is one of antagonism and closed-mindedness. Cheers.

strider

JeffBowser wrote: »

OK, I ran a search on this very forum about wires, something I should have done before I commented. I see this has been a pretty touchy subject. F1nut, it is obvious to me you desire an argument, and with a newbie to the forum to boot. I respectfully decline, your tone and attitude, inasmuch as I can gather from words alone, is one of antagonism and closed-mindedness. Cheers.

1lakerfan

I have my subwofers low pass crossover set to direct and the switch on the back that says high-pass crossover is set to 80 HZ. Is there anything I should change on the subwoofer (Velodyne DLS4000R).

F1nut

JeffBowser wrote: »

OK, I ran a search on this very forum about wires, something I should have done before I commented. I see this has been a pretty touchy subject. F1nut, it is obvious to me you desire an argument, and with a newbie to the forum to boot. I respectfully decline, your tone and attitude, inasmuch as I can gather from words alone, is one of antagonism and closed-mindedness. Cheers.

Gee, I thought we were having a discussion. I quess if I disagree with your opinion or shoot holes in examples you provide, which by the way you still haven't answered some of the questions asked of you, then you view it as an agrument. So, who's the antagonist with the closed mind?

Good luck to you, sir.

1lakerfan

I have my subwofers low pass crossover set to direct and the switch on the back that says high-pass crossover is set to 80 HZ. Is there anything I should change on the subwoofer (Velodyne DLS4000R).

Also I am going to buy 12 gauge speaker wire should I use 12 guage on the surround speakers also.

Ron Temple

1lakerfan wrote: »

I have my subwofers low pass crossover set to direct and the switch on the back that says high-pass crossover is set to 80 HZ. Is there anything I should change on the subwoofer (Velodyne DLS4000R).

Also I am going to buy 12 gauge speaker wire should I use 12 guage on the surround speakers also.

I'm not familiar with the DLSR sub, but you should let your AVR handle the crossover...set the speakers to small and crossover to 60hz. On the sub either disable the crossover if there's a bypass switch or turn it all the way up.

12 guage wire will be fine for your surrounds.

1lakerfan

Alright I just got some 12 guage wire with the Gold Plated Locking Banana plugs from bluejeanscables.com. I unscrewed the set screws put the wire through the banana plug and wanted to know do I tighten the set screws on the insulation on the insulation or the copper wire or both? Here is the link to the instructions.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/Speaker_cable_termination.pdf

1lakerfan

I connected the speaker wire to my speakers and seen much improvement in my bass and it mesh my subwoofer with the speakers alot better.

thanks for the advice

BigA524

I just bought the rti10s and a new onkyo 105wpc..is it necessary to buy a amp for these? Can the reciever handle these speakers without any problems? So I take it 16g wire isnt enough either?

danger boy

your Onkyo should do ok. it's up to you if you want to add an amp.. adding and amp will give you more clarity and depth and sound to your speakers.. that's why alot of people add amps.

betting to used 14 guage wire or even 12 then 16 guage.