Not getting enough bass on the RTi10's
I have the Polk Audio RTi10's and love them. I have read alot of reviews on this website and many of the people say that the bass is so good you dont even need a subwoofer. When I listen to music whith just the RTi10's I dont here that much bass. Do you need good speaker wire? I am using cheap speaker at the moment. I think the guage is like a 22. I do have an excellent subwoofer (Velodyne DLS-400R) so Its not that big of a deal to me but, I just wanted to know. The RTi10's are currently hooked up to a Denon AVR-2807,I am using the Polk Audio CSi5 as the center and some 3 Onkyo speakers as my surrounds. How do I get the bass out of my speakers.
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Sounds like a set-up problem.
Are the fronts set to small or large?
What is the crossover set at?
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I had a Denon AVR-3805 hooked up to my old 10's and I was getting more bass from them than the rti12's. Then I hooked up my CineNova 300wpc amp #10 wire, and now I have more bass than the wifes china hutch can handle. You need power!!HT Theater
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Change your speaker wire first, and then get a good 2 channel amp. Watts don't mean anything when it comes to a receiver being able to handle the currant demands of good speakers when the bass kicks in.
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I had my fronts set to large but then put them back to small since it didnt seem like I was getting much bass from the speakers and it was taking away from my subwoofer. I dont really know about all the technicle stuff about home theatre but the crossover is set at 80 on my reciver. Thats what audioholics.com recommeneded. Heres the link to the pictures of my system.
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If you weren't getting much bass even if they were set to large you may want to double check your speaker wires. Make sure that the positives on the receiver are hooked up to the positives on the speakers. Same for negatives.
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Midnite Mick wrote: »If you weren't getting much bass even if they were set to large you may want to double check your speaker wires. Make sure that the positives on the receiver are hooked up to the positives on the speakers. Same for negatives.
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There are four terminals on the back of the speakers where the speaker wire connects. I put them on the top two terminals going across leaving the gold plate under the terminals right? -
Sure, that's fine...just make sure that the red post on receiver is hooked up to the red post on the speaker with the same individual run of wire. Same goes for black. If this is correct then it is about the best you can do for your given receiver until you get more power. You could also try and bump up the bass a few decibels if your receiver has those controls within it.
Good luck,
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You could also try using the "LFE + Mains" for subwoofer output.
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beyond checking the speaker connections.. also check to see if maybe your bass adjustment isn't set to - 2 or something like that.. set to zero for both bass and treble.
post a picture of your system if you can.. speaker placement can sometimes affect bass output as well.
first order though, would be to get heavier gauge speaker wire.. go for 14 guage at the minimum, 12 would be great, 10 is the largest i'd go. 12 is just right for most people.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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I have the same issue with my RTi10's. They make plenty of bass to hear, but not much bass to FEEL, which is what I want. My sub compensates nicely, but my opinion is these speakers simply do not have big enough subwoofers built in to generate really pounding bass. I will say, though, if you are using 22guage speaker wire, that's waaaay too small, you'll be current limited there...
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IMO, people expect too much bass when listening to music because of the over emphasis on bass from HT and the over use of subwoofers in general. The key to good music reproduction is balance, not pounding bass.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I agree...
as if watts, quality over quantity any day of the week.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
A lot of people do confuse tight, controlled bass with a lack of bass.
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definitely get thicker gauge wire, 22 ga is like dental floss. my rti70's sounded infinitely better when i went from 18 ga to 12 ga on some sold **** pioneer receiver and now they sound great with my denon. once you upgrade your wire you will love the sound im sure. good luck.
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I have the Rti-10's and trust me when I say that there is no shortage of bass [or midbass]. Alot of it has to do with your amplifier. I have mine hooked up to a Carver M1.5t and there is absolutely no shortage of feeling the music accurately when played at performance levels. IMO you do need a sub to complete the entire spectrum of frequencies, just make sure that they are blending well [sub and speak's]. I have switched the amp out with other (lower powered, including Best buy's top of the line Denon [forgot the model #]) amps and the bass seems to dissapear a little bit [to alot], to the point where you don't feel the punch. The Rti'10s will reverb a 10x13' room quite nicely when suppied with an ample amplifier.When I listen to music whith just the RTi10's I dont here that much bass. How do I get the bass out of my speakers.
See if you can borrow another amp that has some accurate juice and you'll see exactly what I am talking about.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I agree with most of the above and do think you should try heavier wire. However I think your main issue is a lack of power. I recently added the amp in my signature to my system and now run my RTi-10s full range and turn off the sub for music. It helped at all volume levels and with all kinds of music.
Before with just the Elite powering them I had to use the sub if I played music which in my room would make some music sound too boomy, if thats the right word. Now the sound is much more full, rich and stealing a term from F1 balanced.
For HT I set the sub to Plus and the Rti-10s to large and there was a positive change. I did not think for HT the change in impact would be that great since I have an Ultra sub but it hits even harder now!AVR: Elite VSX-21TXH
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danger boy wrote: »beyond checking the speaker connections.. also check to see if maybe your bass adjustment isn't set to - 2 or something like that.. set to zero for both bass and treble.
post a picture of your system if you can.. speaker placement can sometimes affect bass output as well.
first order though, would be to get heavier gauge speaker wire.. go for 14 guage at the minimum, 12 would be great, 10 is the largest i'd go. 12 is just right for most people.
Heres the link to my set up.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/3/297154.html
what should the crossover be set at? I do know that the speaker wire that I am using is to thin but will the speaker wire make that big of a difference? I thought for the most part buying thicker speaker wire was to help make the spekaers last longer. -
can someone give me a link to a website where I can buy 12 guage speaker wire at a good price. And what type of connectors should I use?
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what brand of speaker wire should I buy. Everyone says that monster is a ripoff even though I am using that brand for my subwoofer.
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Welcome 1LF! You were given a very good site right above your last post. These are well made cable & they won't bankrupt you.
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you are definately missing a amp cause I have the rti12 and a earthqauke cinenova7 and if I want I dont even have to use the velodyne sub there is plenty of bass coming from my speakersHome Theater sony 52 inch lcd,Cinenova grande 7 channel, polk RTI8,CSI5,FXI5,onkyo 805
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80 Hz seems to work well for most people. Run some experiments and see what sounds good to you. I've got mine set at 40hz.
Signal cable is also a quality company that makes decent cables at a good price. Plus you'll get a 5% discount if you mention that you're from Club Polk. -
IMO, people expect too much bass when listening to music because of the over emphasis on bass from HT and the over use of subwoofers in general. The key to good music reproduction is balance, not pounding bass.
This is the smartest statment I have ever read about stereo by far. Car audio and rap music has also lead to the misconception about bass. It shouldn't feel like a hammer blow to your head.Michael
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I do know that the speaker wire that I am using is to thin but will the speaker wire make that big of a difference? I thought for the most part buying thicker speaker wire was to help make the spekaers last longer.
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Car audio and rap music has also lead to the misconception about bass. It shouldn't feel like a hammer blow to your head.
We have a winner!Political Correctness'.........defined
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What type of connectors should I use for the Rit10's. I am looking to buy twelve guage speaker wire. I am also going to buy the Polk Audio FXi5 surround speakers in the future, so should I also use a 12 guage.
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Bananna style clips for the speaker end. I would recommend soldering them on -vs- screw on type deals based upon personal experience [and frustration].What type of connectors should I use for the Rit10's. I am looking to buy twelve guage speaker wire.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I like banana clips, as far as wire goes the choices are endless. Get something you can afford. You can spen $10.00 at home depot or over $1000 from an audio wire mfg.Michael
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Yamaha RX-V2500
(2) Outlaw 200
Adcom GFA 555
Sony BDP300
Denon 2900 DVD
Lsi9's mains
Lsi7's rear
Lsic center
12.1 SVS driver in 4.53 cuft. tube
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Re:wire - don't let marketing departments fool you. It's all about guage when running speaker wire, not about fancy coatings and dielectrics, etc. (unless you live next door to a power plant and run your speaker wires for miles). Anyway, I reinvestigated my RTi10's last night after perusing this thread (and no, pounding bass did not originate with rap, my young posters). I discovered that my receiver cuts the output to the front speakers at 120hz, even whe I tell it I have large speakers. Deep bass was not even reaching my Polks.
