Outlaw Audio R2150

wingnut4772

Since I am pairing down (majorly) and I am gonna focus on 2 channel for a while I was wondering if anyone here has this unit and what they think of it. I have read the Stereophile review but was looking for actual user comments or input.

engtaz

" Yes. 15s for fronts and 9s for rears. The Outlaw monos will do ok for the front stage but save money and skip to the good amp. If you go in minute levels of upgraditis like me you will end up spending way more dough. In the long run I was just not happy with the Outlaws for the LSIs. "
wingnut4772

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/290346.html

Why would you want to look at Outlaw Audio???

Just a question,
engtaz

marker

^^^ The RR2150 is totally different from the mono blocks is why.

The Fosgate manufactured Outlaw monos are basically identical to the NHT A1 bass amps, and the RR2150 is much better IMO.

dkg999

Darla - don't overlook the NAD C720BEE receiver that Doro has for sale in the FM.

engtaz

Thanks

engtaz

shack

I would check out the Outlaw forums. Even though they are pretty loyal customers, they can be brutally honest when critiquing Outlaw gear. I have considered on more than one occasion a purchase of the 2150. For someone downsizing, I think it would be a great start. The phono stage is pretty good and the tuner is said to be nice as well. The demand for the 2150 has been very strong....so much so that the orders keep getting back-logged. Try thier "home demo" policy. Give it a listen...send it back if you don't like it. As you are aware there are quite a few folks that use Outlaw gear on this forum...with few complaints.

heiney9

Darla, why a reciever? Why not some great used seperates? You'll get more bang for you buck with seperates, not to mention a higher level of sound going w/seperates.

If you really want to go reciever the NAD Doro has FS would be nice or even the Cambridge 640 integrated he has FS if it's still avail.

H9

wingnut4772

engtaz wrote:

" Yes. 15s for fronts and 9s for rears. The Outlaw monos will do ok for the front stage but save money and skip to the good amp. If you go in minute levels of upgraditis like me you will end up spending way more dough. In the long run I was just not happy with the Outlaws for the LSIs. "
wingnut4772

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/290346.html

Why would you want to look at Outlaw Audio???

Just a question,
engtaz

Something cheap to hold me over while I plan and scheme for achieving future audio greatness. If I had the budget right now I would not be thinking about it but.........

VR3

Email Klaus at Odyssey...

He offers a Integrated for around that price (lil more)

It will be FAR** more basic, but will be of much higher quality.

shack

heiney9 wrote:

Darla, why a reciever? Why not some great used seperates? You'll get more bang for you buck with seperates, not to mention a higher level of sound going w/seperates.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Separates aren't necessarily the be all end all of audio. They aren't for everyone and they aren't right for every situation. There have been some absolutely wonderful receivers made in the past and there are some good ones made today. There is a reason that the Outlaw RR2150 has been a big success. People want it and it is a very good product. I am a fan of NAD gear and but I would probably get the Outlaw over the 720BEE if for no other reason than the increased wpc and I think it is pretty cool looking. Add the facts that it has a USB port and subwoofer out with bass management and you have a real nice package.

heiney9

shack wrote:

I They aren't for everyone and they aren't right for every situation. There have been some absolutely wonderful receivers made in the past and there are some good ones made today.

Yep, I've listened to many recievers, very high end recievers and I haven't found one yet that is as good as seperates. I'm picky and a bit anal about the sound. Even the touted Nakamichi Stasis, Nelson Pass's topology can't compete; it's very good as recievers go however.

All I'm saying is think about. I know one thing Darla, once you've achieved a certain level of performance (and you certainly have) it's very hard to go backwards. Nothing will really satisfy because getting a temporary receiver based system won't hold a candle to what you had. . And that's the god's honest truth.

H9

TroyD

Agreed...I'd also look at integrated amps as well. MF, for example, has a lot to offer on the cheap on the used market.

BDT

shack

heiney9 wrote:

Yep, I've listened to many recievers, very high end receivers and I haven't found one yet that is as good as seperates. I'm picky and a bit anal about the sound. Even the touted Nakamichi Stasis, Nelson Pass's topology can't compete; it's very good as recievers go however.

All I'm saying is think about. I know one thing Darla, once you've achieved a certain level of performance (and you certainly have) it's very hard to go backwards. Nothing will really satisfy because getting a temporary receiver based system won't hold a candle to what you had. . And that's the god's honest truth.

H9

We will just have to disagree...I have heard some wonderful sounds from receivers. But then again I may be one of the least anal and least analytical people on this forum reagarding their gear. I'm not a tweeker...and I'm not one to try to squeeze the last possible bit of this or that SQ out of my gear. It's not what interests me. I do try to get the best possible gear and play with various combinations until it "sounds" right and then the most tweeking I do is the punch the buttons on the remote. I try different stuff from time to time, not because I'm dissatisfied...but usually just out of curiosity or just for the sake of change.

TroyD

I'll go along with shack. I enjoy the music regardless. If you listen to your rig and are more concerned with what isn't there as opposed to what is, well, maybe this hobby ain't for you.

BDT

heiney9

shack wrote:

We will just have to disagree...I have heard some wonderful sounds from receivers. But then again I may be one of the least anal and least analytical people on this forum reagarding their gear. I'm not a tweeker...and I'm not one to try to squeeze the last possible bit of this or that SQ out of my gear. It's not what interests me. I do try to get the best possible gear and play with various combinations until it "sounds" right and then the most tweeking I do is the punch the buttons on the remote. I try different stuff from time to time, not because I'm dissatisfied...but usually just out of curiosity or just for the sake of change.

Well I can agree to disagree ..........I'm not so much of an analytical listener as I am very tuned into what I like. I've never heard the ultimate listening characteristics I like in a reciever. Detail, soundstage, open and effortless and a completely natural vocals. Proper decay on instruments, with proper attack, tone, scale and dynamics.

Of course I also realize I'm at the mercy of the source. I can enjoy many things audio, but when I sit down to lose myself in a listening session I have certain criteria, and recievers have never provided me with those characteristics in spades like seperates can.

Of course the whole discussion is a matter of ones opinion/preferences.

H9

heiney9

TroyD wrote:

I'll go along with shack. I enjoy the music regardless. If you listen to your rig and are more concerned with what isn't there as opposed to what is, well, maybe this hobby ain't for you.

BDT

Come on guys as usual you are taking this to the Nth degree (which Troy does so well ). Let's all break out our G.E. clock radio's .

TroyD

I'm not taking this to the nth degree (but, whatever)

Some folks out there are so anal that unless the rig is at a certain level, it's not worth listening to.

I'm just not like that. For example, my 2.3tl's at the moment are hooked up to a Denon HT receiver. Now, that's a drastic difference from the Sunfire/Classe rig. I still enjoy music. Does it sound as good as the previous gear? No, however, I'm not losing a lot of sleep over it either.

In a pinch, listening to gear that some turn thier noses up at, is just fine by me.

BDT

wingnut4772

engtaz wrote:

" Yes. 15s for fronts and 9s for rears. The Outlaw monos will do ok for the front stage but save money and skip to the good amp. If you go in minute levels of upgraditis like me you will end up spending way more dough. In the long run I was just not happy with the Outlaws for the LSIs. "
wingnut4772

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/290346.html

Why would you want to look at Outlaw Audio???

Just a question,
engtaz

I also forgot to mention that I no longer have LSIs. My Von's are a bit easier to run.

wingnut4772

heiney9 wrote:

l I'm saying is think about. I know one thing Darla, once you've achieved a certain level of performance (and you certainly have) it's very hard to go backwards. Nothing will really satisfy because getting a temporary receiver based system won't hold a candle to what you had. . And that's the god's honest truth.

H9

I think you are right. I can't go backwards. If anything I should probably save up to return with a vengence..if I ever sell this house.

bugner

I've had the beast since a year ago November (one of the very first shipments) and, even with a few minor quirks, I love it to death. Plus, let's face it --- it looks bitchen!

shack

bugner wrote:

Plus, let's face it --- it looks bitchen!

I'm with you bugner. Sometimes gear just looks cool. A bonus when it is quality gear to begin with.

shack

TroyD wrote:

I'm just not like that. For example, my 2.3tl's at the moment are hooked up to a Denon HT receiver. Now, that's a drastic difference from the Sunfire/Classe rig. I still enjoy music. Does it sound as good as the previous gear? No, however, I'm not losing a lot of sleep over it either.

Sometimes I'll grab some CDs put them in the changer in my HT rig and and spend a couple hours listening. A very modest rig when compared to my 2 channel system (separates btw) consisting of a Denon 80wpc AVR, Sony changer/Denon 1910 DVD player and RT55is and a Dayton Titanic sub. It has really good synergy and I've never found myself wishing I was using the 2 channel rig. Is my other rig better...yeah...but this one ain't bad. It's just how I roll :cool:

heiney9

shack wrote:

Sometimes I'll grab some CDs put them in the changer in my HT rig and and spend a couple hours listening. A very modest rig when compared to my 2 channel system (separates btw) consisting of a Denon 80wpc AVR, Sony changer/Denon 1910 DVD player and RT55is and a Dayton Titanic sub. It has really good synergy and I've never found myself wishing I was using the 2 channel rig. Is my other rig better...yeah...but this one ain't bad. It's just how I roll :cool:

I know what you mean....truly I do. I have been listening to the computer rig for the past 1-1.5 hours. Consisting of a new piece I'm demoing (integrated);an AMC Dac; thru a pair of vintage 5b's with the computer as a source via toslink digital. Very satisfying indeed (life is good). But, we have a choice of moving to the better 2ch rig. anytime we want. It makes a difference (at least in my mind).

H9

TroyD

I think it boils down to what type of listening you do, primarily. Pour moi, I do very little critical listening anymore and a whole lot of listening for enjoyment.

BDT

cfrizz

I agree with Shack & Troy in this since I'm the same way.

Darla, you know that Outlaw makes a good product & you won't bankrupt youself to buy it.

It should hold you over just fine until you are moved & can expand your system once again.

You've got great speakers to go along with it so go for it.

Lsi9

too bad all the AV123 integrated amps are sold out, I wouldve taken the bare bones direct design over the Outlaws receiver attributes such as an internal crossover

look at this:
http://www.pacificvalve.us/MDMC34A.html

halo

Onix SP3 Tube Integrated Amplifier B Stock - $699 LINK

You were curious about tubes , IIRC. Great way to get in on 'em cheap + you got 30 days (don't like it send it back). I figured it was in the same price range of the Outlaw. Could probably find one for less on the 'gon.

Tubes did wonders for my VR-2's. So smooooooooth!

Jim Shearer

If you really don't intend to keep the receiver, then why not go really cheap & buy a vintage 1970's receiver? I just picked up a Sansui 350A for $45. I had to use de-oxit on the switches to get it working properly, but it's otherwise just fine. If you want something a little more powerful, then you'd spend a bit more, but still it's way less than getting a new unit. Seems a shame to buy a nice unit then dump it a year later a a considerable loss.

Cheers, Jim

wingnut4772

I think I am just going to stick with my IPOD (shudder) and save $$$ for some serious gear. Thank you guys for helping me hash this out.

Midnite Mick

Hey Darla, how efficient are the Von's. Why not wait for Russman to post one of his tube integrate's. It would be a great opportunity to listen to some tubes and he practically gives his stuff away with the prices he offers them at.

I think it would be a lot of fun for a very little expense. Just an idea.

Mike

wingnut4772

They are about 91db and an average of 6ohms.