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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    edited December 2018
    My concern is why do they look so bad without the grills? Did they come out of the factory in that condition?

    Also, from the pictures provided do they appear to be modified in term of components?
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,457
    edited December 2018
    No. The grills were nailed on. The tweeters are a lot cleaner than this one.
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    edited December 2018
    Tony M wrote: »
    No. The grills were nailed on. The tweeters are a lot cleaner than this one.

    Tony, you know your vintage speakers. What might those AR's be worth in their current condition? Supposedly they have upgraded crossovers.
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,614
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    No. The grills were nailed on. The tweeters are a lot cleaner than this POS.

    Tony, you know you're vintage speakers. What might those AR's be worth in their current condition? Supposedly they have upgraded crossovers.

    A lot less than they're asking
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    edited December 2018
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    No. The grills were nailed on. The tweeters are a lot cleaner than this POS.

    Tony, you know you're vintage speakers. What might those AR's be worth in their current condition? Supposedly they have upgraded crossovers.

    A lot less than they're asking

    They're asking for these in return. dod5569j22ok.jpg
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,385
    No way. They better be posting some cash on their end as well.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,614
    FestYboy wrote: »
    No way. They better be posting some cash on their end as well.

    Lots of cash
    La2vegas have you smoked yourself stupid.....?
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    Not yet but I'm working on it. :D t7btd9r9g9yd.jpg

    I don't know the value of AR's in the least.
    I've heard good things about them, so I was hoping to gain some knowledge about this model in regards to pricing. In all honesty they better sound darn good to compensate for their awful aesthetics.


    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,407
    I was blessed enough to hear a set of AR-11s (I think). Outside they looked mint, but driver wise they looked funky as he11 but sounded awesome!

    They are on my list to own.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,457
    This is more like it .^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Price too.

    I don't see them come up for sale much but lately they're everywhere.

    I've never heard a pair of this model but I did own a pr. of the 3x's and like a dummy, I got the grill off, saw the deteriated woofer surround and strange mid and tweeter. I tested them and I don't believe the mids or tweeters worked and I tossed them in the trash. :s The cabinets were ROUGH! But they could've been refinished for sure.

    I paid 6.00 for the pair at a Goodwill store about 15 years ago. :)
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 642
    edited December 2018
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Are these any good. AR 2ax?powpc01n91tw.jpg
    6nh09bw56b4d.jpg

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    I got a pair of AR-2ax a couple of weeks ago, and have been working on them, so can give some fresh perspective. Those look different in a couple of ways.

    Here is a pic from the CL listing that MotorHead provided, and these look like mine.
    992je1mt2k49.jpg
    The woofer in that first pair looks like a replacement. It looks to have a fairly new foam surround, the cone looks new, voice coil leads are located in a different spot (notice in the third pic the leads - little dots - are located on opposite sides of the dust cap), it's also missing the little foam ring around the dust cap, and the frame is black instead of brushed, raw metal like shown in the third pic.

    I think there were two types of tweeters used in the 2ax: phenolic dome and soft/textile dome. The tweeter in the first pic must be the phenolic black dome, and notice it has three little orange points around the edge, whereas the tweeter in the lower pic has four of those points and the brownish textile dome. The mountings are different as well with three flat-head screws in the first versus six counter-sunk screws in the latter.

    The crossovers in these speakers are pretty basic, with two high-pass caps (one for mid and one for high/tweeter), and then two potentiometers (mid and high). In the pair I got, the caps had been replaced (w/Solen), but the pots were still original and terrible. I replaced the pots. I also replaced the grills, and interestingly enough, the first pair above look to have the exact same replacement grills I got, which are nice...although that pic isn't so great, or maybe they already have some age on them.

    So, after fixing mine up, how do they sound? Well, there's no point in adjusting the mid and high pots to anything except all the way up. IMO, the highs roll-off too much otherwise. In fact, by-passing the pots altogether may be best, and I read how a lot of folks actually do that. Having said that, I think these sound pretty darn good for their age once the internals are updated. In a proper listening position (seated), they have a rich, warm sound, with enough detail in the highs to satisfy, and definitely not fatiguing or shrieking. While standing, you miss some of the detail in the highs. With two high-pass caps, you get a blending of the higher frequencies with the mid and tweeter, and the tweeter is not all that loud. The bass is warm and effective, but not all that defined. I have them hooked-up to a second system, and was doing an A/B comparison with a pair of Infinity Column II. Frankly, the Infinitys sounded much better to my ears at moderate-to-loud listening levels, but the ARs would be really nice at lower levels in a seated position.

    There was no fill material of any type in mine, and I wonder if they originally had any. Also, I wonder if a simple internal brace between the front baffle and the back of the cabinet would provide any benefit. The cabinet box has quite a bit of resonance, and can sound a little loose. The wooden stands are cool and retro, but of course they can wobble a bit on a hard floor, so you have to think that solidifying everything somehow would help.
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    jdjohn wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »
    Are these any good. AR 2ax?powpc01n91tw.jpg
    6nh09bw56b4d.jpg

    **********************************************************************************

    I got a pair of AR-2ax a couple of weeks ago, and have been working on them, so can give some fresh perspective. Those look different in a couple of ways.

    Here is a pic from the CL listing that MotorHead provided, and these look like mine.
    992je1mt2k49.jpg
    The woofer in that first pair looks like a replacement. It has a foam surround, the cone looks new, voice coil leads are located in a different spot (notice in the third pic the leads - little dots - are located on opposite sides of the dust cap), it's also missing the little foam ring around the dust cap, and the frame is black instead of brushed, raw metal like shown in the third pic.

    I think there were two types of tweeters used in the 2ax: phenolic dome and soft/textile dome. The tweeter in the first pic must be the phenolic black dome, and notice it has three little orange points around the edge, whereas the tweeter in the lower pic has four of those points and the brownish textile dome. The mountings are different as well with three flat-head screws in the first versus six counter-sunk screws in the latter.

    The crossovers in these speakers are pretty basic, with two high-pass caps (one for mid and one for high/tweeter), and then two potentiometers (mid and high). In the pair I got, the caps had been replaced (w/Solen), but the pots were still original and terrible. I replaced the pots. I also replaced the grills, and interestingly enough, the first pair above look to have the exact same replacement grills I got, which are nice...although that pic isn't so great, or maybe they already have some age on them.

    So, after fixing mine up, how do they sound? Well, there's no point in adjusting the mid and high pots to anything except all the way up. IMO, the highs roll-off too much otherwise. In fact, by-passing the pots altogether may be best, and I read how a lot of folks actually do that. Having said that, I think these sound pretty darn good for their age once the internals are updated. In a proper listening position (seated), they have a rich, warm sound, with enough detail in the highs to satisfy, and definitely not fatiguing or shrieking. While standing, you miss some of the detail in the highs. With two high-pass caps, you get a blending of the higher frequencies with the mid and tweeter, and the tweeter is not all that loud. The bass is warm and effective, but not all that defined. I have them hooked-up to a second system, and was doing an A/B comparison with a pair of Infinity Column II. Frankly, the Infinitys sounded much better to my ears at moderate-to-loud listening levels, but the ARs would be really nice at lower levels in a seated position.

    There was no fill material of any type in mine, and I wonder if they originally had any. Also, I wonder if a simple internal brace between the front baffle and the back of the cabinet would provide any benefit. The cabinet box has quite a bit of resonance, and can sound a little loose. The wooden stands are cool and retro, but of course they can wobble a bit on a hard floor, so you have to think that solidifying everything somehow would help.

    Thank You kindly for sharing your hands on experience with this particular model. This was precisely the sort of info that I was trying to gather.
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 642
    Happy to help. FWIW, in addition to my Infinity Column II, I also have a pair of RSIIIa, and RS5. If I were you, I would not trade your RS5B in any kind of deal for the AR-2ax. Got to love those Emit tweeters B)

    From a collectible standpoint, the ARs are really cool, get serious retro styling points, and sound ok. But for pure performance, IMO the Infinitys sound better. Hmmm...perhaps I should try my RS5B for a more comparable A/B as far as size.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,457
    edited December 2018
    Here's a pair in Wilm. NC. for 200.00. :)
    Been here for 19 days now.

    https://wilmington.craigslist.org/ele/d/vintage-ar-2x-floor-speakers/6754746695.html
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 642
    Not to split hairs or anything, but those ^^^ are 2x, not 2ax ;) They will not have the 'super tweeter' as it was known.
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,407
    Thank god I’m not close. I still want one of these, or to build one similar...
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 3,254
    Thank god I’m not close. I still want one of these, or to build one similar...

    Ditto, first thing I checked was location.
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SRS 2, SDA 2B, SDA II,SDA 1C, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11TL, RTA 8TL, RTA 8T, LSI9 Ebony, LSI7 EBONY, LSI7 CHERRY, LSIC, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,385
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,407
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 3,385
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    That is my life...
  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 422
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    I suggest you try a new tailor. B)

    Seriously though, since I retired on a fixed income, I don't know why I come on here - it just lures me into penury.
    I started out with nothing and have most of it left.
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,407
    edited December 2018
    OleBoot wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    I suggest you try a new tailor. B)

    Seriously though, since I retired on a fixed income, I don't know why I come on here - it just lures me into penury.

    I have a proper tailor (my conscience). He makes sure I’m not spending money for bills on audio gear by misaligning the two intentionally :).

    Then once in awhile the two align and I get something new...
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • OleBootOleBoot Posts: 422
    OleBoot wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    I suggest you try a new tailor. B)

    Seriously though, since I retired on a fixed income, I don't know why I come on here - it just lures me into penury.

    I have a proper tailor (my conscience). He makes sure I’m not spending money for bills on audio gear by misaligning the two intentionally :).

    Then once in awhile the two align and I get something new...

    I don't have a tailor, but I have a wife.
    I started out with nothing and have most of it left.
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 16,407
    OleBoot wrote: »
    OleBoot wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    I suggest you try a new tailor. B)

    Seriously though, since I retired on a fixed income, I don't know why I come on here - it just lures me into penury.

    I have a proper tailor (my conscience). He makes sure I’m not spending money for bills on audio gear by misaligning the two intentionally :).

    Then once in awhile the two align and I get something new...

    I don't have a tailor, but I have a wife.

    She’s the second line defense :smile:
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,457
    OleBoot wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    I'm close... Just saying. But Jesse is closer :#

    My wants and my wallet are not properly aligned....

    I suggest you try a new tailor. B)

    Seriously though, since I retired on a fixed income, I don't know why I come on here - it just lures me into penury.

    That there is funny. ^^^^ And I learned a new word tonight too. :D
    pen·u·ry
    [ˈpenyərē]

    NOUN
    extreme poverty; destitution.
    "he died in a state of virtual penury"
    synonyms:
    extreme/dire poverty · pennilessness · impecuniousness · impoverishment · indigence · need · neediness · want · destitution · privation · deprivation · hardship · beggary · [more]

    Neediness / needing was I for 35 years. :/
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  • CGTIIICGTIII Posts: 507
    edited December 2018
    VMPS Super Tower III Special Ribbon Edition. 325 lbs each. Local pickup only in Roswell, GA. No affiliation.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/VMPS-Super-Tower-III-Special-Ribbon-Edition/123537818283
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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,768
    Wow
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,457
    edited December 2018
    My wife would call a divorce lawyer if I brought those Vmps home. Seriously. :D

    These are close enough to me to warrant a road trip easily but I'm going to have to pass. :s
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