why the music is better only on 2 channel?

TroyD

Well, it was sort of a loaded question.

I think the answer is a resounding no. There isn't a library of performances to merit it yet. Just because the people are buying the gear doesn't mean that the format is really that mature. Audio is a profit driven industry so more channels equals more money. The fact that the software isn't there yet is inconsequential in that particular equation.

Off the top of my head, the only thing that would even slightly interest me is the RCA Living Stereo catalog. Most were recorded, at the time, in three tracks. RCA was hedging thier bets that the move from mono to stereo might actually wind up being a three channel standard, which I think is pretty righteous.

BDT

reeltrouble1

Whether it be multi-channel music or board posts.

Well, Nobody likes their Baby called Ugly.

I HAVE personally been the beneficiary of many kind acts by the membership, too many to mention as I would certainly leave someone out, really its that many and several have posted in this thread, you know who you are and I appreciate each of you, most are of course the more senior members. Not the least of these is Jesse, he has long been a stellar member, helping many. Indeed it pains to see guys I knew once to be so close now so far apart, but it happens and we will march on. Funny how this place gets inside some of us. But remember its only some of us where the hobby passion burns so hard.

As far as K, well, most who come here spouting the "everything sounds the same doctrine, wires don't matter, all cd sources are equal, etc. etc. etc. have in my years received the same sort of welcome. Yes, I believe him to be an Anti Hi-Fi audio insurgent, adding nothing to our community, seeking out newbies to "set" them straight with his viewpoint. I also believe the membership in a general sense does not buy into this opinion, is far more knowledgeable and depend much more on there actual experience in audio. Further, suspecting any attempt to legitamize such an audio viewpoint is most likely based upon some agenda having very little to do with audio.

Joey and Jesse do not like each other, this is news? Hash it out, its not the first squabble and wont be the last. And like BDT said, well, the hubbub breaks up the day. Joey, you sure do have some nice pieces and one day I suspect your going to have it all.

I am off to the Shed to listen to some new music I received today.

RT1--out

reeltrouble1

TroyD wrote:

Well, it was sort of a loaded question.

RCA was hedging thier bets that the move from mono to stereo might actually wind up being a three channel standard, which I think is pretty righteous.

BDT

+1 BDT

heiney9

Follow this very simple acronym. K.I.S.S. I think to a large degree this holds true for a stellar 2 channel system. Start introducing to many variables and the original intent get obscured.

H9

K.I.S.S.= Keep It Simple Stupid

TroyD

Absolutely....quality over quantity. That applies to number of channels, number of watts....hell just about anyting, I suppose.

BDT

TroyD

Excellent post, Tedwick (not the one where you agree with me, that's a given )

My sentiments exactly.....

BDT

pblanc

If one only listened to music I don't think one could justify the additional expense, since there are relatively few recordings that make full use of the multichannel format. But home theater is an entirely different kettle of fish. There virtually every "recording" sounds better in multichannel. and most folks don't just use their speakers to listen to music.

Joey_V

TroyD wrote:

Absolutely....quality over quantity. That applies to number of channels, number of watts....hell just about anyting, I suppose.

BDT

That brings another thing... if it's this hard to get 2 channels to work perfectly in a room, getting 5 speakers to work perfectly with adequate space is damn near impossible then.

Simple is better.

hearingimpared

heiney9 wrote:

Follow this very simple acronym. K.I.S.S. I think to a large degree this holds true for a stellar 2 channel system. Start introducing to many variables and the original intent get obscured.

H9

K.I.S.S.= Keep It Simple Stupid

Gee I thought it was Keep It Simple Sweetheart!!!

shack

TroyD wrote:

Excellent post, Tedwick

My sentiments exactly.....

BDT

Same here. Life goes on. I think I'll go back to my "I don't care" attitude.

F1nut

Joey_V wrote:

Actually, Jesse, it is you who should grow up. What with your PM threats of "you dont know who you're messing with" and what not. I think it's safe to say that we all have graduated elementary school and we need not these playground threats and bullies.

Especially when you take into account that all we're talking about is audio for goodness sakes man. This isnt exactly a make/break topic we have going on here, so unnecessary roughness need not apply.

I really dont see why you have to walk around the forum with a rod up your **** the whole time.

Again, just my opinion.

Actually, the PM I send you addressed as "Advice" is as follows, "You're **** with the wrong guy, my friend." Now, you're the one who took it as a threat and that's on you, not me. But, the fact you've twisted it around in your post to make it seem as a threat just goes to your character or should I say, lack of. A fact that isn't going un-noticed by a great number of folks here. So, in the future if you're going to try and I emphasize try, to make me look bad at least get your ducks lined up in a row and do not misquote me. Of course, if you were a man you'd have known that, but as it stands you're still wet behind the ears, hence my advice, which you obviously chose to ignore.

Now that, that's been cleared up, let's move on to the real reason you posted your original comment in this thread. It had nothing to do with what I said to K, rather you saw a chance to take a shot at me. How do we know that, you ask? Simple, you admitted to not knowing the history behind K, myself and the forum. That huge mistake came back to bite you in the ****, but good. If you want to attack someone, you'd better have done your homework.

Now, you call it youthful excitement or something close to that and that's all fine and dandy, but you come across as an name dropping, price quoting, and self centered person as just about every post you make has a referral to you or your gear in it. If that's the way you want to be, fine, but you need to own it. I have no problem owning the fact that I can be blunt as I always have been and always will be. If you or someone else doesn't like me because of that, you can always put me on ignore or you can confront me as you have done. However, I will respond as my history here will show and I rarely back down. More importantly, if you had done your homework, you'd know that there's a lot more to me than blunt posts.

Have a nice day.

cstpeter

F1nut, I don't know you from Adam, but I've respected your opinions ever since I've been hanging around these parts. That said, I think you're way off with this one, and frankly, not cool to purport that you're "in the know" with all your PM's and "from what I hear" **** about Joey. Not cool.

Again, much respect to you, Mr. 11,000 posts, but I've had the pleasure of meeting Joey in person, and I couldn't disagree more with your sentiments. Not sure what your beef is, but stop the holy-than-thou-because-I-post-on-Club-Polk nonsense. Go get laid dude.

--Chris St. Peter

p.s. Please don't send me a PM saying "You don't know who you're messing with." Not sure how you "twist" that one. Not cool F1.

F1nut

Chris, thank you for your thoughts, they are duly noted. And thanks for the get laid advice, but not to worry, I do ok there.

I must say I'm a little confused about this one, "from what I hear", where did I actually say that?

Also, not to worry, I won't send you a, "You don't know who you're messing with." PM as I never sent that one. Would you mind if I sent you the, "You're **** with the wrong guy, my friend." one?

BTW, nice set up.

Jesse

cstpeter

F1, let me first say we agree on the getting laid part. I think it's even better than audio. If we could combine the two, well then, there'd be no reason for this little squabble. That said:

With respect to the "from what I hear" quote: I'm not gonna use the quote feature and try to cite you, but that's one of your main points from your previous posts, if I understand correctly (which I may not, but I'm pretty sure I do). You're trying to say you're not alone in your opinions about another member. If I had a friend that pulled that, I'd call them out on that nonsense.

I'm getting the feeling you like to play semantics and "show me when I said that" games (and poorly, I might add). Look at the gist of your statements on this post.

F1, again, I don't want to start **** with you (probably too late for that). And to all the F1 friends out there, I mean no disrespect. Just calling out what I see as stupid.

EDIT: Took out statements that were uncalled for on my part. Jesse, I respect your candid opinions, and always have. Hope to meet you sometime and discuss who defined grunge, Nirvana or Pearl Jam.

F1nut

Well Chris, in that case you'll have to call Joey out for the same reason. Perhaps not from this thread, but others.

Actually, I'm not playing semantics with you, just so you know.

Goodnight, sleep tight.

Edit: Roger that and agreed.

Hope to meet you sometime and discuss who defined grunge, Nirvana or Pearl Jam.

I look forward to that.

TheReaper

To add my -2 cents worth: There are people who come to this forum with budget systems. For them, John K's advice can be appropriate. I also give him props for hanging in there.

As for the 2 channel vs multi-channel. I don't think I have a good multi-channel music mix (I only have concert DVDs). But I live in an apartment, so I normally listen at lower volume levels. So I will frequently turn off my center channel and bump the surrounds down a notch, and then listen to 2 channel music in PLIIx Movie. This adds a fuller sounding ambience to the music in my situation.

W WALDECKER

TheReaper wrote:

To add my -2 cents worth: There are people who come to this forum with budget systems. For them, John K's advice can be appropriate. I also give him props for hanging in there.

As for the 2 channel vs multi-channel. I don't think I have a good multi-channel music mix (I only have concert DVDs). But I live in an apartment, so I normally listen at lower volume levels. So I will frequently turn off my center channel and bump the surrounds down a notch, and then listen to 2 channel music in PLIIx Movie. This adds a fuller sounding ambience to the music in my situation.

John K seeks attention and we give it to him in spades, i am fairly confident that is the reason that he posts here......two channel for music is the only way to go as far as i am concerned, if you have good synergy between your electronics and loudspeakers i think it is the closest thing there is to having live performers in your listening room.thanks....WCW III

TroyD

cstpeter wrote:

F1nut, I don't know you from Adam, but I've respected your opinions ever since I've been hanging around these parts. That said, I think you're way off with this one, and frankly, not cool to purport that you're "in the know" with all your PM's and "from what I hear" **** about Joey. Not cool.

Again, much respect to you, Mr. 11,000 posts, but I've had the pleasure of meeting Joey in person, and I couldn't disagree more with your sentiments. Not sure what your beef is, but stop the holy-than-thou-because-I-post-on-Club-Polk nonsense. Go get laid dude.

--Chris St. Peter

p.s. Please don't send me a PM saying "You don't know who you're messing with." Not sure how you "twist" that one. Not cool F1.

Just give the pot a little stir....since you haven't actually met F1 and are basing your opinions off what's here and so forth.......isn't that about the same as what you are accusing F1 of?

You know, there are always people who like and dislike people. For any point of view, you can find people who subscribe to it. So why the need for a pigpile just to keep **** going? Unless, like me, you like to stir the pot....what point does the add on post serve? Joey and F1 are at odds, ok, so let it be that and let it die. It's the folks who like to pile on afterwards who keep this crap brewing.

BDT

Just a thought.

Polk65

I read into what F1nut posts a little more than 1/2 the time and have to say that his suggestions are based not on personal opinion but rather fact and experience.

RuSsMaN

I think a lot of us could 'dial it back' a little in certain areas.

I'll be critical of only myself here, I used to jump newbies, police the FM, and argue with people who didn't agree with my viewpoints (which are the right viewpoints btw). I found that by not doing it, or at least taking the intensity down a few notches, better represents myself, Polk Audio, and the boards in general.

I'm all for a good debate, or a stern warning - but 95% of time the energy expended on simply nonsensicle topics or posts is ludicrous at best. That, and the elementary schoolyard attitude that runs rampant is just plain silly, and while I used to be a major player in such antics, I try to avoid them like the plague.

We are all here for one reason, Polk Audio products. At the end of the day, the guy with 15 posts and a pair of M20's deserves the same respect as a guy with 15,000 who has been purchasing Polk speakers for 25 years.

Everyone needs to remember that this is not our board. It is Polk Audio's, and what we do here reflects on them, as much as it does ourselves.

Cheers,
Russ

TroyD

Good post, broham.

Guilty as charged.

BDT

reeltrouble1

Guilty as charged.

Let it Be Known.

For ExtraOrdinary Service and Dedication to the Pursuit of all things Audio the Club Polk Membership has been Pardoned.

RT1

pblanc

Oh damn, just when things were getting good...

warlocks1

Wow, what a thread.
I have met some of the people in this thread. Jesse, Mark and Russ and others. Both Jesse and Mark have helped me in person with my "hobby" and it sucks that have parted company. I listened to Jesse's 2.3Tl's and met Mark in a parking lot some 5 years ago selling him some speakers (I have no idea what they were) and through the great work he did for Polkfest. They loved talking about the "hobby" (obsession) and you could see the joy in their faces. Both of them are very responsilble for my growth. I have been to both their houses and felt very welcome. I have no knowledge of what came between them, but it SUCKS that it has happened. Russ has sent me gear for a fraction of the cost and offered advice. I have met great people through this forum; Stong Bad (John), Emilyn (Mark), (I own most of his old equipment), and Madmax (Chuck) to name a few through this forum and these people are mainly responsible for what Polk Audio Forum has become and I love what it is today. I probably would never had met some great people had it not been for Mark and Jesse.
Jesse can be a hard ****, but I don't believe he would hurt a fly. Mark will open his house to anyone. They are two of the most generous people I have ever met.
I feel like Polk Audio Forum is like an AA meeting for us audio geeks and I am afraid of where this forum is headed. Too many threads end in bickering and fighting. I don't remember this occurring in the distant past.
I beg all of the senior folks to remember this is a great Forum and hobby because of you. We value and welcome your advise, but it hurts to see the senior memebers fighting amongst themselves.
Everyone has faults, we don't need to point out everyone of them.
Jesse, Mark and Russ didn't ask to be leaders of this forum, but they are and they need to act like it. Please keep your differences to yourselves or handle them privately.
Try to remember the joy you had discovering this dreadful hobby.
Peace, Jeff

hearingimpared

warlocks1 wrote:

Try to remember the joy you had discovering this dreadful hobby.
Peace, Jeff

Dreadful hobby . . . hey you can't say that about my hobby, meet me out back of school at 3:00!!! :mad:


PS: bring a couple of LPs & CDs.:D

marly421

F1nut. I hate this guy, I assume most people do. IMO he's hate filled, mean and an ugly person. I turned him OFF several years ago. I feel better.

F1nut

F1nut wrote:

I find it amazing how short some folks memories are. Not long after you joined I answered many questions you had and you thanked me. http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222825#post222825

Now, you take my comments out of context and for no damn good reason decide to try and be a wise-**** too. Pfffft.......

Oh yeah, 37 posts in 2 years.....you're a huge asset around here. :rolleyes:

Now this explains it all, Occupation:Law
In that case, a big double FU(K YOU to you, the horse you rode in on and the colonel that sent you. Sue me, you schmuck.

Up to 49 now, still working on the asset thing I see. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, I feel much better than you do....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Joey_V

Ayiyiyi....

madmax

marly421 wrote:

F1nut. I hate this guy, I assume most people do. IMO he's hate filled, mean and an ugly person. I turned him OFF several years ago. I feel better.

Don't forget to kick your puppy too.

You guys are all off track here. Things have gone to **** since the victrola lost favor.

madmax

madmax

Speaking of Victrola, they had their own sound. They can transform you into a different time and place. The old mono machines had their own sound too. Set one up in a room and you can enjoy music in a new and different way. Old vintage rigs have their own sound as well. Takes me back to the classics.

Modern two channel has replaced these old antiques because it allows for a true performance with little of its own sound shining through.

Multichannel? Material mastered well for multichannel becomes its own sort of art form. It is not a standard audiophile performance that it excels in. What it does excel in is creating a fantasy place created by the mix which you can explore. Not putting it down because when called for by the media it can be quite exciting.

With that said I will put it next in line after vintage rigs with 2 channel being the standard for audiophile sound.

madmax