SACD vs Redbook impressions...

reeltrouble1

Joe,

Do not lie to the wife, give her a big hug and tell her thank you for everything. She digs the hobby, enjoy it with her and the offer to demo from Rich on the Sony.

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hearingimpared

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Joe,

Do not lie to the wife, give her a big hug and tell her thank you for everything. She digs the hobby, enjoy it with her and the offer to demo from Rich on the Sony.

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TED I have never lied to her . . . well one white lie and I have been regretting that since I did it. Sometimes it really drives me nuts so I know as I know that the Lord is right here with me that I will never lie to her again not a white one nor any color.

Danny Tse

hearingimpared wrote:

Oh maaaaannnnn! I knew this wasn't going to be a good $150 spent despite Chris Martens stellar review in TAS.:mad: Once again, I should have listned to Jesse!:o

By all indications I've read, the Oppo firm does fix the problem of putting gaps in between tracks.

reeltrouble1

Oppo needs Joe on their staff, I am glad they want to fix the problem, its a good thing that their are affordable entry level units for all areas of audio.

On the other end, I see where NAIM has introduced a Redbook only player for 28,000, wow.

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pblanc

It must not be an issue limited to Oppo. My Sony 999ES also pauses for less than a second between chapters on the multichannel SACD layer of that disk.

hearingimpared

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Oppo needs Joe on their staff, I am glad they want to fix the problem, its a good thing that their are affordable entry level units for all areas of audio.

Unfortunately if I worked for Oppo their $150 entry level unit would end up costing $1500 and it would cost the company $15000 to make it.;)

reeltrouble1 wrote:

On the other end, I see where NAIM has introduced a Redbook only player for 28,000, wow.

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My wife said I could buy the NAIM when she gets done decorating.:D

SCompRacer

hearingimpared wrote:

My wife said I could buy the NAIM when she gets done decorating.:D

Does she really think your nards will fetch that much on ebay?:D

pblanc

Clever. Very clever. Everbody knows wives never finish decorating. Have you finished buying electronic gear?

pblanc

I can see it now: "FS: Husband's left ****, used. No Reserve! See my other auctions for Husband's right ****, and other body parts"

hearingimpared

pblanc wrote:

Clever. Very clever. Everbody knows wives never finish decorating. Have you finished buying electronic gear?

And there in lies the Catch 22!!!

hearingimpared

pblanc wrote:

I can see it now: "FS: Husband's left ****, used. No Reserve! See my other auctions for Husband's right ****, and other body parts"

I thought that was a possibility but now I've been assured that the jewels will only be super-glued to the right leg. Ouch!!!:eek:

hearingimpared

I just read all the instructions for the firmware upgrade. Has anyone actually used this? There seems to be a catch and it can cause other problems so I would rather wait to do this until I hear back from someone who has actually used this patch on an Oppo DV 970.

Thanks,
Joe

cfrizz

Snort, choke, WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D Tread veeeery carefully Joe!:eek:

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Originally Posted by pblanc
I can see it now: "FS: Husband's left ****, used. No Reserve! See my other auctions for Husband's right ****, and other body parts"

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Originally Posted by hearingimpared
I thought that was a possibility but now I've been assured that the jewels will only be super-glued to the right leg. Ouch!!!

hearingimpared

cfrizz wrote:

Snort, choke, WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D Tread veeeery carefully Joe!:eek:

Quote:
Originally Posted by pblanc
I can see it now: "FS: Husband's left ****, used. No Reserve! See my other auctions for Husband's right ****, and other body parts"

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Originally Posted by hearingimpared
I thought that was a possibility but now I've been assured that the jewels will only be super-glued to the right leg. Ouch!!!

Back in the early 1980s a woman in Northern PA was arrested for assault with intent to maim. She had superglued her husbands full package to his thigh for cheating on her. I think she got a slap on the wrist and a ATTA Girl from the judge.

hearingimpared

Okay back to the SACDs. I did the Oppo firmware upgrade and did a critical listening session with DSOTM. I'm absolutely sold on SACD if this is what I can expect. I played a couple of tracks from the redbook DSOTM and found it sounding like someone threw a light blanket over my speakers. In a nutshell, SACD seems to extract every bit of information and reproduced what is on the master tape.

It sounds excellent on this entry level Oppo player, I can only imagine what it would sound like on a Class A player. I can't wait to get my TT rig up so I can do a comparison there.

ben62670

hearingimpared wrote:

Okay back to the SACDs. I did the Oppo firmware upgrade and did a critical listening session with DSOTM. I'm absolutely sold on SACD if this is what I can expect. I played a couple of tracks from the redbook DSOTM and found it sounding like someone threw a light blanket over my speakers. In a nutshell, SACD seems to extract every bit of information and reproduced what is on the master tape.

It sounds excellent on this entry level Oppo player, I can only imagine what it would sound like on a Class A player. I can't wait to get my TT rig up so I can do a comparison there.

I listened to it twice today on my sony SACD changer. Once in 2 channel, andonce in 5.1. This is one of the few SACD's that I have found to be very entertaining in 5.1.

hearingimpared

ben62670 wrote:

I listened to it twice today on my sony SACD changer. Once in 2 channel, andonce in 5.1. This is one of the few SACD's that I have found to be very entertaining in 5.1.

Actually yesterday when Phil was here with his Sony SACD changer he didn't know that he had it set to 5.1 and when we listened to the first few moments of "Money" some of the cash register was missing. . .I was telling him if this is what SACD can do then I don't but then we rectified the problem and I was sold.

I would bet that DSOTM is awesome in 5.1 but I can't see just regular performances being good in multichannel. I've heard and watched a DVD of Dianna Krall "Live in Paris" and while she is really breathtaking to look at, I liked the way the music sounded better in the two channel rig.

snow

hearingimpared wrote:

Okay back to the SACDs. I did the Oppo firmware upgrade and did a critical listening session with DSOTM. I'm absolutely sold on SACD if this is what I can expect. I played a couple of tracks from the redbook DSOTM and found it sounding like someone threw a light blanket over my speakers. In a nutshell, SACD seems to extract every bit of information and reproduced what is on the master tape.

It sounds excellent on this entry level Oppo player, I can only imagine what it would sound like on a Class A player. I can't wait to get my TT rig up so I can do a comparison there.

glad it worked out for you on the firmware upgrade. and yes i think your right it should be a real treat on the modded sony 999ES mentioned earlier or some similar high end player. the oppo sure isnt going to beat one of them. but a $150.00 it gets you able to listen to more music. REGARDS SNOW

Danny Tse

hearingimpared wrote:

I would bet that DSOTM is awesome in 5.1 but I can't see just regular performances being good in multichannel. I've heard and watched a DVD of Dianna Krall "Live in Paris" and while she is really breathtaking to look at, I liked the way the music sounded better in the two channel rig.

I am not familiar enough with DSOTM to say how it would sound in multi-channel. On the other hand, I have often read that the real "star" of the DSOTM SACD is the multi-channel mix.

pblanc

In general, I prefer SACD recorded in two channel. Multichannel can be good for live performances if the surround channels are only used to enhance the ambiance a bit. I agree that it really doesn't sound that natural if all of a sudden a sax comes in from your side (or, God forbid, your rear).

hearingimpared

hearingimpared wrote:

Holy Mixup Batman Which Hole Do You Prefer???

.....:D

Toka78

hearingimpared,

Is your DSOTM the hybrid disc or were you comparing two different (ie, SACD-only and redbook) discs?

hearingimpared

Toka78 wrote:

hearingimpared,

Is your DSOTM the hybrid disc or were you comparing two different (ie, SACD-only and redbook) discs?

It is a hybrid. I compared it to the redbook copy that is from the box set Shine On.

shack

Toka78 wrote:

hearingimpared,

Is your DSOTM the hybrid disc or were you comparing two different (ie, SACD-only and redbook) discs?

There is no SACD only DSOTM disc. As stated earlier in this thread it was only issued as a hybrid. Steveinaz compared the 2 channel SACD mix of the SACD and a 24 bit redbook remaster.

Toka78

hearingimpared wrote:

It is a hybrid. I compared it to the redbook copy that is from the box set Shine On.

Gotcha. I wanted to make sure you weren't comparing it to the redbook layer on the SACD, which is very poorly (accidentally? on purpose? both?) mastered.

hearingimpared

Okay, I did a semi blind taste test with my wife today (get your minds out of the gutter you perverts, not that).

With her in the recliner (sweet spot) with her eyes closed, I played the first track of DSOTM redbook then quickly switched to the SACD. Almost immediately when the SACD was playing she said, "oh wow, there is so much more there on the second one." So just to jazz things up I played the SACD again. She was still liked that version. I then played "Money" with the SACD, when it was finished, I put on the redbook and she said that it sounded like there was a sheet over the speakers and there were lots of things missing. Most notably the doubling WAWA of the guitar midstream.

Her biggest observation was that there was more information and details. She said that she could clearly here what was being said down to, "I've been working my bum off," all this she could not here clearly with the redbook.

So as to give this a fair shake, I played Jazz at the Pawnshop, "Lady Be Good" because she doesnt' like jazz and is not familiar with the material. She gave the same descriptions with one addition, she said with the SACD on she felt more like she was mingling in the audience.

My cheapy Oppo playing SACD kicks the stuffing out of my $4000 DAC with the Oppo as a transport. My son (the older) heard it yesterday, my wife today. . . these are people who would be happy listening to compressed music from an IPOD and I got the same response from both. My wife asked that I not replace all my CDs at one shot. . . LOL

The defense rests. . . .

cfrizz

Nice writeup Joe, & I think it is beyond cool that your wife is just as much into audio as you are!

Anyone that has fully working ears will quickly notice that the "sheet over the speakers" has been removed when they are listening to a SACD.

hearingimpared

cfrizz wrote:

Nice writeup Joe, & I think it is beyond cool that your wife is just as much into audio as you are!

Anyone that has fully working ears will quickly notice that the "sheet over the speakers" has been removed when they are listening to a SACD.

I only have one fully working ear and it sounded like a blanket was removed. I was just blown away that she said that, I thought that was one of our sayings.

reeltrouble1

shack wrote:

There is no SACD only DSOTM disc.

There also is no Dark Side of The Moon.

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hearingimpared

reeltrouble1 wrote:

There also is no Dark Side of The Moon.

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It's all DARK