Destroyed RTi4 woofers Mayday.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,559
    edited December 2006
    Yeah, nice edit.

    Your perception is a bit off tonight.

    Have a nice one.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited December 2006
    Hmmmmm....a person takes a nice pair of speakers and destroys them....then wants to save, oh, MAYBE 10 bucks on a pair of drivers? Then cops a 'tude about a little needling?

    Yeah, whatever.

    It's a nice pair of speakers, if you want to enjoy good sound, fix them properly. If not, do what you like.

    The thing that gets me is, if you have your mind made up on a course of action, why ask for opinions??

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited December 2006
    Ok, you wanted help, here you go....

    Look at the Polk site for the RTi4 under specifications and you will see this:

    Overall Frequency Response 50Hz-27kHz
    Lower -3dB Limit 60Hz


    That means you are ok with a 60hz tone to your speakers. They will actually play a 50hz tone but not very well and that is the speakers lower limit. If you try and push lower than that - you will break something.

    You went over 2 octaves below that and blew the speaker. I don't care what they can do with no problem in your environment, that is what Polk says they can do. Don't run sine waves lower than 60hz or you will be sorry.

    Before you purchase your woofer from parts express - be sure and ask in their forum what level of power it will take and what spl you can expect at 10hz.

    Michael

    BTW - welcome to club polk
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited December 2006
    I hate to tell you this Ben, but this was quite a gentle scolding from the crew here. It used to be much much worse.:eek: :D

    They are simply voicing their distress over the willfull destruction of a pair of very good speakers.:(

    Hopefully, the lesson has been learned. I've noticed that younger people usually DO have to learn the hard way.

    At least this wasn't anything that was life threatening like drinking & driving.
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited December 2006
    SubSonic Polker wrote:
    That was sarcasm, im only 17 and dont have a job and my parents arent rich like Amulford here. sorry for being poor and having polks. and 39 as in amulfords age. your welcome.


    Since you seem to have singled me out, let me set you straight. I am not a rich man. I work hard for what I have, probably much like your father.

    You want to listen to music with all kinds of **** kicking bass? Then at least TRY to set yourself up with the proper gear. If you change your dumb **** attitude, you just might get some help.

    Now your 17, right? You CAN get a job. I had one at your age. As a matter of fact, when I was 17 I was skinning animals in a slaughterhouse for animal food to earn the money for the things I wanted. I did things that would gag a maggot for money. So don't cry that poormouth BS to me. If you want it you can get it. You just have to want it, and obviously you don't.

    What do want me to treat you like? You did something stupid, and asked some dumb **** questions. What are you, special? I don't think so. Now you can be the young man you should be, or the crying child you're acting like. The choice is yours...


    And oh yeah, ben. STFU!!!
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited December 2006
    Fun times.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    amulford wrote:
    Since you seem to have singled me out, let me set you straight. I am not a rich man. I work hard for what I have, probably much like your father.

    You want to listen to music with all kinds of **** kicking bass? Then at least TRY to set yourself up with the proper gear. If you change your dumb **** attitude, you just might get some help.

    Now your 17, right? You CAN get a job. I had one at your age. As a matter of fact, when I was 17 I was skinning animals in a slaughterhouse for animal food to earn the money for the things I wanted. I did things that would gag a maggot for money. So don't cry that poormouth BS to me. If you want it you can get it. You just have to want it, and obviously you don't.

    What do want me to treat you like? You did something stupid, and asked some dumb **** questions. What are you, special? I don't think so. Now you can be the young man you should be, or the crying child you're acting like. The choice is yours...


    And oh yeah, ben. STFU!!!

    -Thanks Ben.

    I singled you out because you stuck out, reread your first unhelpful post to me.
    i didnt have the attuitude at first. i was defending myself from these unhelpful and unwelcoming posts.
    -im sorry you had to do things you didnt want to for money but im in a different situation, one that isnt as extreme but the fact is, i dont have the money i need and thats that.
    -I didnt ask some "dumb ****" questions, you are arrogant. coming at me like some kind of superior mediator. No, im not special but i expected a different attitude on my first post and a new forum. evaluate your own posts to me. what if you were me???

    im tired of this. Lets forget it. i'll be back in 2007. I hope you all have a Blessed Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year! Sorry for the flame!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,559
    edited December 2006
    The mind is like a parachute, they only function when open and I have to say that yours, SubSonic, isn't open.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    i'll give you that. im disfunctional. but my personal life cant be spilled on a speaker forum.
    EDIT: and oh, when all these posts happened, it was wide open. Thanks
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited December 2006
    I thought you left for the holidays ...
    Rick
    HT+ Sunfire TG IV, Dual CG Sig II's, CinePro 1K2, Oppo 981, Audio Technica PL120, Polk SRT's & F/X1000's, Samsung 71" DLP
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited December 2006
    SubSonic - I think this is where you just need to man-up and say "hey, I was doing some stupid sh@t with my speakers, playing around, and I fried them! Thanks to you all for pointing out that although these are great little speakers, they can't handle the amount of bass I like, and I need to be a little more cautious. I'll call Polk CS and see what new drivers cost"

    It's not so hard. We've all been in that same spot. And if you want to play around with some PE drivers as replacements, let us know how it works out.

    PS: don't join any motorcycle forums if you think you were treated rudely here!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited December 2006
    The best advice is in the very first response to this thread, use it.

    If that doesn't work, go here:
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42762&highlight=airholes
    Never Forget
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited December 2006
    Also - while you are talking to Polk Customer Service - mention you are a club polk member and I think you get a discount.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • Libertyc
    Libertyc Posts: 915
    edited December 2006
    and......Happy Holidays.

    GB.
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited December 2006
    Come on, guys. Give SubSonic a break. Unbelievably, this isn't the only time someone tried to turn an RTi4 into a subwoofer.

    Read this for a good laugh. KrazyMoFo makes SubSonic look like Matt Polk's head of engineering. . . and the next William Gates.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43162&highlight=rti4
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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  • AndyGwis
    AndyGwis Posts: 3,655
    edited December 2006
    NM, I just read the old KrazyMoFo post, and he prefaced it with "stupid question." So, at least he was smart enough to know the stupidity beforehand, where as SubSonic just makes excuses and saying "mistake."
    Stereo Rig: Hales Revelation 3, Musical Fidelity CD-Pre 24, Forte Model 3 amp, Lexicon RT-10 SACD, MMF-5 w/speedbox, Forte Model 2 Phono Pre, Cardas Crosslink, APC H15, URC MX-950, Lovan Stand
    Bedroom: Samsung HPR-4252, Toshiba HD-A2, HK 3480, Signal Cable, AQ speaker cable, Totem Dreamcatchers, SVS PB10-NSD, URC MX-850
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2006
    I just love his screen name SubSonic Polker Beautiful Just Beautiful ;)

    Speakers
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    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    AndyGwis wrote:
    NM, I just read the old KrazyMoFo post, and he prefaced it with "stupid question." So, at least he was smart enough to know the stupidity beforehand, where as SubSonic just makes excuses and saying "mistake."
    AG, please reread the thread. its obvious i knew that a 10hz signal at 40% gain wouldnt do well for my woofers. and I do know that the human hearing range is 20hz-20khz so no, i wasnt expecting to "hear" 10hz, but i did hear air moving through the ports. Thanks, Smartass.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2006
    SubSonic Polker wrote:
    Thank you all for all your valued help! Im Glad the Parts Express forum is my main audio forum because i have never seen so much rudeness 1) to a new member and 2) to one who is seeking help! Good bye! and God Bless! I hope you have a wonderful Holiday!
    This is from like your second post. Yeah they did razz you a little bit, but not bad at all. If you thought that the stuff above that was bad just wait until you get into the real world. And as far as being poor I can't even afford to pay attention to this thread any more
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  • PolkWannabie
    PolkWannabie Posts: 2,763
    edited December 2006
    Yep ... He needs to get a pair of shakers and use them as headphones ...
    Rick
    HT+ Sunfire TG IV, Dual CG Sig II's, CinePro 1K2, Oppo 981, Audio Technica PL120, Polk SRT's & F/X1000's, Samsung 71" DLP
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2006
    SubSonic,

    Please explain to all of us what you where trying to do feeding a speaker with 10hz if you know human earing is 20hz - 20khz?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited December 2006
    At age 17, its called a job...

    And the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    dudeinaroom wrote:
    This is from like your second post. Yeah they did razz you a little bit, but not bad at all. If you thought that the stuff above that was bad just wait until you get into the real world. And as far as being poor I can't even afford to pay attention to this thread any more
    anonymouse wrote:
    I think you ought to replace the midwoofers with bass shakers from Parts Express. They could do a pretty mean **** job of shaking the boxes way down to 10Hz. Great bottom end, great top end. Middle, not so good but hey - you cant have everything.

    Hehe... humor:p , yea, mom tells me the "real world" is gonna be a biotch.

    and yes, bass shakers will give me 10 hz cept i'd have to sit on the cabinets ;)
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote:
    At age 17, its called a job...

    And the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.

    im actually starting a job this wednesday... and please dont make a suggestion to get a job. i dont just sit around at home and play with my speakers all day. There are Many Many other factors. Especially school. i actually have a life.... which is my business...

    and explain to me what you mean by, "the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.":confused: because thats unclear. im sure its not your problem right now that i dont have a job...
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    disneyjoe7 wrote:
    SubSonic,

    Please explain to all of us what you where trying to do feeding a speaker with 10hz if you know human earing is 20hz - 20khz?


    i like to watch it move:p , and i was doing something else.... which is really stupid... and i cant say:o
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited December 2006
    i am wit u dawg. base rulez and i be using my eq to make my wolfers move. dont listen 2 tha no-it-alls here jus keep pumpin tunez!!!! i modifi my rti4 wit dual 6 inch on da sidez 4 tha kadunka dunk base.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    removed
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited December 2006
    fo shizil rus
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,646
    edited December 2006
    Well, since you are starting a job Wednesday, that means you can buy woofers for your RTi4s...no?

    Yep, thought so...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • SubSonic Polker
    SubSonic Polker Posts: 26
    edited December 2006
    Shizzle....
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