Speaker Break-in Poll

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  • FicmanS
    FicmanS Posts: 134
    edited November 2006
    I believe my 70's opened a bit after some time, 100 hours or so...
    Rockin' In My House :D


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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2006
    rskarvan wrote:
    "Four years after the system had been installed in the theater, I had the opportunity to go back and take some measurements. I availed myself of the opportunity and found that the amplitude response plots made that day matched to within a fraction of a dB those made when the system was first installed. Four year’s worth of “breaking in” hadn’t affected the system to any significant degree."

    Conclusion... Breaking-in is a myth.

    It's obvious you want to convince us that is the case....but as your poll shows (which I'm sure is not the way you invisioned), that is not going to happen.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2006
    If you can't measure it... it ain't real.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2006
    I believe I remember the Carver AL-III manual I had, but misplaced, mentioned a break-in period of about 100 hours, iirc, for the Amazings.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2006
    There's 2 problems with this poll:
    1. You said "dramatically"
    2. You said "within 200hrs"

    To my ears speakers do benefit, and their tonal character changes with break-in, however, in most speakers I've owned it wasn't "dramatic" nor did it happen in 200hrs.

    Typically, after about 1 month (average of about 4hrs a day listening) I notice the bass begin to bloom, and any edginess in midrange/tweeter has softened. In my own personal experience, the midrange/tweeters tend to break-in sooner than the woofer(s).

    So, yes...speakers do benefit from break-in IMO. I'm sure there is also an element of "getting used to the sound" that exists as well, but if you don't like the sound of a speaker, all the break-in in the world won't cure that.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    rskarvan wrote:
    If you can't measure it... it ain't real.


    What?!?

    Well I suppose I could prattle off an almost infinite list of subjective characteristics that stand against this statement, but I would hate to freeze up this glorious network.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2006
    zombie boy 2000 wrote:
    What?!?

    Well I suppose I could prattle off an almost infinite list of subjective characteristics that stand against this statement, but I would hate to freeze up this glorious network.

    True, but he's not talking about 'subjective characteristics', he's talking about sound, which is measureable. :eek:
    Never Forget
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,563
    edited November 2006
    cfrizz wrote:
    Interesting article. So for the most part we are imagining that we hear changes in our speakers.

    So as I've always said, stop worrying about incidentals & just enjoy the music.

    If it sounds bad at the start, it will still sound bad after the supposed break in period. In which case find yourself a new pair of speakers that sound good from the get go.
    Agree with Cathy. I think break in is more of a myth to me at the moment.

    Rskarvan,
    I probably agree with you more than I do with the majority of the respondents to your poll... however, there will be no way (absolutely zero chance) of convincing anyone here otherwise.

    Joey
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2006
    I love Club Polk.

    RT1
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    It loves you too RT.....


    how 'bout dat Big Ten!!!!
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2006
    Speaker "break-in" has to exist because speakers can get worn out, right? But, where do you draw the line between a well broken-in speaker and one that is starting to wear out? I would think some speakers would sound better when they are new and "stiff". :)
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2006
    Can you measure the volume of the oceans, the weight of the earth or the size of the universe? These are not subjective measurements. The ocean has volume, the earth has mass, and the universe has area....it is simply impossibe to measure them. Not all tangible things can be measured. I guess they are all are figments of our imagination and not real according to rskarvan's statement.

    The majority of the posters on this forum (at least the ones that took time to vote) disagree with your position on speaker break in. Just like the cable/wire discussions those who experience it, believe it...those that haven't, don't.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    shack wrote:
    Can you measure the volume of the oceans, the weight of the earth or the size of the universe? These are not subjective measurements. The ocean has volume, the earth has mass, and the universe has area....it is simply impossibe to measure them. Not all tangible things can be measured. I guess they are all are figments of our imagination and not real according to rskarvan's statement.


    Even better...

    Thanks Shack
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2006
    Question 1 - How much water is contained in the oceans?
    About 70% of the earth's surface is covered by water. I found the
    following numbers but am not sure of their primary source: V(Atlantic)=355,
    V(Pacific)=324,
    V(Indian)= 292 [all x 10^6 km^3]. Areas: A(Atlantic)= 106, A(Pacific)= 180,
    A(Indian)= 75 [all x 10^6 km^2]. The same source says that: V = A*D, where D
    is the average depth is a good approximation. Makes sense, because on the
    large scale the column of water is a cylinder.

    Question 2 CALCULATING THE MASS OF THE EARTH
    1. F = GmM/r2 = ma, where F is the gravitational force, G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the Earth, r is the radius of the Earth, and m is the mass of another object (near the surface of the Earth).
    2. GM/r2= a (The m's canceled out.) Now solve for M, the mass of the Earth.
    3. M = ar2/G, where a=9.8m/sec2, r=6.4 x 10 6m, and G=6.67 x 10-11m3/(kg sec2).
    4. M = 9.8 x (6.7 x 106)2/6.7 x 10-11 = 6.0 x 1024 kg

    QUESTION 3 - Size of the universe and observable universe
    Very little is known about the size of the universe. It may be trillions of light years across, or even infinite in size. A 2003 paper [4] claims to establish a lower bound of 24 gigaparsecs (78 billion light years) on the size of the universe, but there is no reason to believe that this bound is anywhere near tight. See Shape of the Universe for more information.

    The observable (or visible) universe, consisting of all locations that could have affected us since the Big Bang given the finite speed of light, is certainly finite. The comoving distance to the edge of the visible universe is about 46.5 billion light years in all directions from the earth; thus the visible universe may be thought of as a perfect sphere with the earth at its center and a diameter of about 93 billion light years. Note that many sources, including previous versions of this Wikipedia article, have reported a wide variety of incorrect figures for the size of the visible universe, ranging from 13.7 to 180 billion light years.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2006
    Prove it.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2006
    That is exactly what I said to a girlfriend who claimed that she looked good naked.
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  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited November 2006
    rskarvan wrote:
    That is exactly what I said to a girlfriend who claimed that she looked good naked.

    I don't belive that was said, prove it. Let's see a picture:cool: . It will be better then reading this thread. I'm adding speaker break-in to my "skip over" list. This list also has high end wires on it. At least wire threads have some good fights in them. This one is just sad.
    Michael


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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    MSALLA wrote:
    At least wire threads have some good fights in them. This one is just sad.

    Your mama
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited November 2006
    Oh!!!!!!! Thems fightin' words!
    Your mama is so fat..........(nothing original comes to mind sorry)
    Michael


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    Yamaha RX-V2500
    (2) Outlaw 200
    Adcom GFA 555
    Sony BDP300
    Denon 2900 DVD
    Lsi9's mains
    Lsi7's rear
    Lsic center
    12.1 SVS driver in 4.53 cuft. tube
    Harmony 880
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited November 2006
    I voted myth...I've read threads where speaker designers and engineers argued both sides of the argument based on objective data...I always side with the underdog.

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    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    MSALLA wrote:
    Oh!!!!!!! Thems fightin' words!
    Your mama is so fat..........(nothing original comes to mind sorry)

    .... she bleeds Type Heinz 57?


    Oh, it's on.
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • MSALLA
    MSALLA Posts: 1,602
    edited November 2006
    zombie boy 2000 wrote:
    .... she bleeds Type Heinz 57?


    Oh, it's on.

    Is that what that taste is.
    Michael


    Samsung 50" HD DLP
    Yamaha RX-V2500
    (2) Outlaw 200
    Adcom GFA 555
    Sony BDP300
    Denon 2900 DVD
    Lsi9's mains
    Lsi7's rear
    Lsic center
    12.1 SVS driver in 4.53 cuft. tube
    Harmony 880
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited November 2006
    Oooooooooooooooohhh.... Snap!!!
    I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited November 2006
    Thread dead.
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  • Refefer
    Refefer Posts: 1,280
    edited November 2006
    May it rest in peace.
    Lovin that music year after year.

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2006
    As with anything subjective, go and listen and decide for yourself. If you hear a difference, great; if you don't, great.

    Does it really change anything? Nah....
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited November 2006
    rskarvan wrote:
    If you can't measure it... it ain't real.

    Subjectivity my friend, subjectivity. It make the world of the audiophile go 'round.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited November 2006
    How about the difference you hear when you put brass cones under your preamp vs. aluminum cones????:eek: How about three cones vs four. . .:confused: how about moving them to different points under the preamp.:rolleyes: . . how about mixing brass and aluminum.;)

    What you've never heard the difference????? :confused: You can't measure that difference but it does SOUND DIFFERENT!!!:cool: How come????:p
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