NAD with LSi

McLoki
McLoki Posts: 5,231
edited October 2006 in Electronics
I have a chance to purchase an NAD T163 pre-amp to complete my home theater for a good price. It has been updated to a new chipset and firmware so it will do PLIIx.

My question is, how does NAD work with the LSi's? Basically - should I go for it or hold out for a Rotel 1068, outlaw 990, or Integra Research RDC-7. (my other front runners, but about $300 more than I can get the NAD for.)

Is there reliability pretty good? I know they are well thought of, but with the already laid back sound of the LSi's, will the result be to laid back for involving home theater. (80% use will be for home theater)

Anyway - just wondering before I agree to purchase.

Michael
Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,094
    edited October 2006
    Having the NAD T773 receiver I can offer my thoughts. With my setup I have it powering my center, surrounds & used as processor. It sounds like you'll be using it for mostly Ht. It's prosessor is outstanding. Watching movies & HD tv the sound in superb. You can't go wrong w/ NAD. As far as being laid back I wouldn't concern mysely with that issue. It does what it does exceptionally well. I think the laid back issue is connected more with your amp. My T773 is 3 yrs old now so I'd suspect the T-163 is even further advanced with it's processor. The other brands you mentioned I never owned or heard so I really can't make a legit comment about them. Good luck in your hunt!
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  • univera
    univera Posts: 848
    edited October 2006
    Just heard the LS9's this weekend on full tube setup. Laid back with tubes but silky smooth. I too own the T-773 and previously owned the 770. I assume your desired pre pro is the same setup used in the 773. Very musical and not overly laid back, IMO. NAD is regarded as being a bit up front, so I think you will enjoy it. My HT has always sounded very involving and the musicicality of the NAD HT pieces can't be touched without spending alot more money. I had no problems with my 770 over the course of 3-4 years. My new 773 is too new to me to give reliability issues. NAD only seems to have had problems with one short lived model of HT several years back.

    How much is that prospective piece running? I am considering going to a pre-pro and selling the 773.
    UNIVERA
    Historic Charleston SC

    2 Channel:
    SDA-SRS's RDO tweets
    Biamped Anthem 2 SE's w/1970's NOS Siemens CCA's
    Anthem Pre 2L w/E.harmonix platinum matched 6H23's
    CDP- NAD C 542



    HT setup:
    AVR: NAD T 773
    Rears: Polk LC80i
    DVD: Toshiba 3109 dual tray
    Subs: Velodyne and M&K
    T.V.: Sony KDL-52XBR4 w/Vans Evers Clean Line Jr.
    Conditioner: Panamax M5100EX

    Master Bedroom Sony 40KDL-XBR3

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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    univera wrote:
    Just heard the LS9's this weekend on full tube setup. Laid back with tubes but silky smooth. I too own the T-773 and previously owned the 770. I assume your desired pre pro is the same setup used in the 773. Very musical and not overly laid back, IMO. NAD is regarded as being a bit up front, so I think you will enjoy it. My HT has always sounded very involving and the musicicality of the NAD HT pieces can't be touched without spending alot more money. I had no problems with my 770 over the course of 3-4 years. My new 773 is too new to me to give reliability issues. NAD only seems to have had problems with one short lived model of HT several years back.

    How much is that prospective piece running? I am considering going to a pre-pro and selling the 773.

    It is $1500 new, I have seen them used from $750-$900. The one I am looking at is at the low end of that range. I guess if I don't like it, I can always turn it around and get something else...... :)

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • I-SIG
    I-SIG Posts: 2,243
    edited October 2006
    No HDMI on that thing?

    Wes
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    I-SIG wrote:
    No HDMI on that thing?

    Wes
    Nope, no HDMI, but to be honest, I don't need it. All my video sources go directly to my tv, all my audio sources go directly to my AVR. (soon to be preamp) To be honest, I would rather the pre not have the circutry to handle video and just give me the best sound that it can.

    In the budget class, this is about as good as I can find. I could get an Outlaw 990, but it will cost a few hundred more and while it will add features, I don't know if it will actually sound a few hundred better.....

    Just fishing for opinions as I have never owned anthing made by NAD before.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • univera
    univera Posts: 848
    edited October 2006
    Go with the NAD. Reviews on the pre/pro section are outstanding, as I'm sure you've read. From what I can tell, you can spend A LOT more to get a little better quality. NAD is music first in design, so even those parts of the reproduction in movies should be better than other designs.
    UNIVERA
    Historic Charleston SC

    2 Channel:
    SDA-SRS's RDO tweets
    Biamped Anthem 2 SE's w/1970's NOS Siemens CCA's
    Anthem Pre 2L w/E.harmonix platinum matched 6H23's
    CDP- NAD C 542



    HT setup:
    AVR: NAD T 773
    Rears: Polk LC80i
    DVD: Toshiba 3109 dual tray
    Subs: Velodyne and M&K
    T.V.: Sony KDL-52XBR4 w/Vans Evers Clean Line Jr.
    Conditioner: Panamax M5100EX

    Master Bedroom Sony 40KDL-XBR3

    "I love it when a plan comes together." Hannibal Smith, The A-Team
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,204
    edited October 2006
    If you can go hear both together, bring a pair of speakers and listen. Both companies make quality products. I perfer Rotel over NAD but you might not. Rotel does have digital amps out that you could check out.

    Dan
    Dan
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  • opus
    opus Posts: 1,252
    edited October 2006
    And 0 transactions.

    That is a real nuttester
    The Flea rig
    Hitachi 50VG825 LCD
    Rotel RSP 1066 (pre) :)-flea market
    B&K St-202 (mains)-flea market
    Carver M 200t (x2) (center and surrounds)-flea market
    Blu-Ray..PS3 (dvd player)
    Polk RTA-11t-flea market
    LsiC, Fxi30's

    Dual SVS PC-Utra's (1 port blocked) thanks MikeC78
    Behringer Feedback Destroyer
    -flea market
    AudioAlchemy DDE v1.0 DAC-flea market
    Cambridge Audio Azur 640 CDP-flea market
    Signal Cable and Kimber Kable
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    I am getting a good price, my mind is all but made up to at least give the NAD a chance in my system. Opus has a Rotel 1066 that he has graciously offered for a faceoff in the NAD vs Rotel wars and I should be able to hear both on my system. (I have already heard his Rotel once and did really like the sound)

    If I like the Rotel more, I should be able to sell the NAD for close to what I have in it and purchase something else. (if they are close, I will probably just stick with the NAD.)

    We will report our findings once we get the shootout set up and running. (and providing I don't delay to long and miss the deal on the NAD)

    Thanks for everyones input - it will be interesting to say the least.

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    Sent payment this morning. It is about 9 hours away (by car) so I am hoping to have it by this weekend.

    I will post my initial thoughts when I get it in and set up. I also spoke with Kevin (Opus) and expect a shootout between the Rotel 1066 and NAD T163 in the coming weeks. :)

    I love new stuff.... :D:D

    Michael

    Edit - just talked to the seller, he is shipping out tomorrow and I should have it on Friday... :)
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2006
    Congrats Mike; you've been wanting to upgrade that pre for a looong time now. Good choice.
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  • opus
    opus Posts: 1,252
    edited October 2006
    Of Course the Rotel will have the Signal Power power cord upgrade so I expect it will be an unfair shootout:rolleyes: :D
    The Flea rig
    Hitachi 50VG825 LCD
    Rotel RSP 1066 (pre) :)-flea market
    B&K St-202 (mains)-flea market
    Carver M 200t (x2) (center and surrounds)-flea market
    Blu-Ray..PS3 (dvd player)
    Polk RTA-11t-flea market
    LsiC, Fxi30's

    Dual SVS PC-Utra's (1 port blocked) thanks MikeC78
    Behringer Feedback Destroyer
    -flea market
    AudioAlchemy DDE v1.0 DAC-flea market
    Cambridge Audio Azur 640 CDP-flea market
    Signal Cable and Kimber Kable
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    If the NAD loses the shootout, you know I will purchasing one of those cords.... :D

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
  • opus
    opus Posts: 1,252
    edited October 2006
    DID YOU GET IT?
    The Flea rig
    Hitachi 50VG825 LCD
    Rotel RSP 1066 (pre) :)-flea market
    B&K St-202 (mains)-flea market
    Carver M 200t (x2) (center and surrounds)-flea market
    Blu-Ray..PS3 (dvd player)
    Polk RTA-11t-flea market
    LsiC, Fxi30's

    Dual SVS PC-Utra's (1 port blocked) thanks MikeC78
    Behringer Feedback Destroyer
    -flea market
    AudioAlchemy DDE v1.0 DAC-flea market
    Cambridge Audio Azur 640 CDP-flea market
    Signal Cable and Kimber Kable
  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited October 2006
    Yep - took a long lunch today and played with my new pre-amp. (ok - about 2.5 hours for lunch today) It is nice, but not perfect (like any pre\pro with a $1500 price tag would be).

    Will post thoughts in another thread......
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)