JonBenet Suspect Heads to U.S. in Style
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Looks like the authorities extended every courtesy except providing him with a little girl to keep him company on the long flight back.:mad:
JonBenet Suspect Heads to U.S. in Style
Updated 4:45 PM ET August 20, 2006
By JOCELYN GECKER
Accociated Press
ABOARD THAI AIRWAYS TO LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.
As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.
His Thai Airways International flight took off about 8 p.m. (9 a.m. EDT) for the 15-hour flight to Los Angeles. Karr's journey will eventually end in Boulder, Colo., where he is expected to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the young beauty queen's 1996 killing.
Karr was not handcuffed while being whisked through Don Muang International Airport in Bangkok. At the departure gate, he talked amiably with fellow passengers.
The 41-year-old teacher sat in a business class window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder County District Attorney's office. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with "Homeland Security" on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.
Before takeoff, Karr took a glass of champagne from a flight attendant and clinked glasses with Spray, who sipped orange juice.
Dinner on board, served on a starched white tablecloth with silverware, was one many passengers would envy. Karr started with a pate, then had a green salad with walnut dressing. The main course was fried king prawn with steamed rice and broccoli. Karr drank a beer, crushing the can with his hands when it was empty, then moved on to a glass of French chardonnay with his main course.
"It seems odd to me. If there is an arrest warrant issued, he ought to be under arrest," former Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant, who was involved in the Ramsey investigation. "It is very strange. Whoever is in control of him ought to make sure he isn't doing things like drinking champagne."
Carolyn French, spokeswoman for the Boulder County District Attorney, said: "He is in custody of customs. We don't have any control over them." She said she didn't have any information about Spray clinking glasses with Karr.
The suspect was relaxed, smiling and chatting nonstop with the U.S. officials next to him _ until the television news crews on the flight turned their cameras on. Then he stopped smiling, clutched the armrests of his seat and stared at his lap.
Karr did not speak to reporters, but at one point summoned an AP reporter over to his seat. He mentioned an interview she had given, recalling that someone asked her what he was like.
"You said I looked you straight in the eye when I talked to you and I want to tell you I appreciate that, I thought it was nice," Karr told the AP reporter.
Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.
"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details.
Another employee at the clinic, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media, said Karr had talked with the doctor about a sex-change operation. This could not be confirmed by other sources.
Bangkok, where Karr lived on and off for two years, is regarded as a major global center for sex change operations. The Pratunam clinic advertises sex-change surgery for $1,625 _ a bargain compared to U.S. prices, where male-to-female reassignment surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Thep has received considerable publicity for his male-to-female operations and the clinic is one of the sponsors of an annual beauty pageant for transsexuals in the seaside resort of Pattaya.
Karr appears to have been shadowed by gender issues since his early years, according to excerpts of e-mails published in the Rocky Mountain News that Karr wrote to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey.
Karr said his father was a "strong influence but rarely around," and responded to Tracey's question about whether his "fascination with little girls _ which clearly has a strong erotic component _ is a way of going back."
"Maybe I am not going back but have simply stayed consistent," Karr responded. "My peer group has not changed since I was a little boy, and girls were the people I was with always. Referring to them as a peer group is somewhat incorrect, but might also be the very definition of what they continue to be in my life."
Karr, once detained on charges of possessing child pornography, in recent years apparently traveled to Europe, Central America and Asia to search for teaching jobs. He taught in at least two Thai schools.
U.S. officials, the only ones to have actually interrogated Karr, have been silent about what he told them, citing his right to privacy and legal procedures. Secondhand accounts by Thai officials have been vague and contradictory.
Karr told reporters Thursday that he was alone with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident.
However, there is little public evidence linking him to the crime, prompting some experts to speculate that he is either lying or delusional.
"Many high-publicity crimes have these people coming out of the woodwork," said Elizabeth Loftus, director of the Center for Psychology and Law at the University of California-Irvine.
Lawyers for the Ramsey family say a number of people already have confessed to the killing of JonBenet, but none had enough credibility to attract the attention of law enforcement.
JonBenet Suspect Heads to U.S. in Style
Updated 4:45 PM ET August 20, 2006
By JOCELYN GECKER
Accociated Press
ABOARD THAI AIRWAYS TO LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.
As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic.
His Thai Airways International flight took off about 8 p.m. (9 a.m. EDT) for the 15-hour flight to Los Angeles. Karr's journey will eventually end in Boulder, Colo., where he is expected to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the young beauty queen's 1996 killing.
Karr was not handcuffed while being whisked through Don Muang International Airport in Bangkok. At the departure gate, he talked amiably with fellow passengers.
The 41-year-old teacher sat in a business class window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder County District Attorney's office. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with "Homeland Security" on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.
Before takeoff, Karr took a glass of champagne from a flight attendant and clinked glasses with Spray, who sipped orange juice.
Dinner on board, served on a starched white tablecloth with silverware, was one many passengers would envy. Karr started with a pate, then had a green salad with walnut dressing. The main course was fried king prawn with steamed rice and broccoli. Karr drank a beer, crushing the can with his hands when it was empty, then moved on to a glass of French chardonnay with his main course.
"It seems odd to me. If there is an arrest warrant issued, he ought to be under arrest," former Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant, who was involved in the Ramsey investigation. "It is very strange. Whoever is in control of him ought to make sure he isn't doing things like drinking champagne."
Carolyn French, spokeswoman for the Boulder County District Attorney, said: "He is in custody of customs. We don't have any control over them." She said she didn't have any information about Spray clinking glasses with Karr.
The suspect was relaxed, smiling and chatting nonstop with the U.S. officials next to him _ until the television news crews on the flight turned their cameras on. Then he stopped smiling, clutched the armrests of his seat and stared at his lap.
Karr did not speak to reporters, but at one point summoned an AP reporter over to his seat. He mentioned an interview she had given, recalling that someone asked her what he was like.
"You said I looked you straight in the eye when I talked to you and I want to tell you I appreciate that, I thought it was nice," Karr told the AP reporter.
Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.
"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details.
Another employee at the clinic, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media, said Karr had talked with the doctor about a sex-change operation. This could not be confirmed by other sources.
Bangkok, where Karr lived on and off for two years, is regarded as a major global center for sex change operations. The Pratunam clinic advertises sex-change surgery for $1,625 _ a bargain compared to U.S. prices, where male-to-female reassignment surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Thep has received considerable publicity for his male-to-female operations and the clinic is one of the sponsors of an annual beauty pageant for transsexuals in the seaside resort of Pattaya.
Karr appears to have been shadowed by gender issues since his early years, according to excerpts of e-mails published in the Rocky Mountain News that Karr wrote to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey.
Karr said his father was a "strong influence but rarely around," and responded to Tracey's question about whether his "fascination with little girls _ which clearly has a strong erotic component _ is a way of going back."
"Maybe I am not going back but have simply stayed consistent," Karr responded. "My peer group has not changed since I was a little boy, and girls were the people I was with always. Referring to them as a peer group is somewhat incorrect, but might also be the very definition of what they continue to be in my life."
Karr, once detained on charges of possessing child pornography, in recent years apparently traveled to Europe, Central America and Asia to search for teaching jobs. He taught in at least two Thai schools.
U.S. officials, the only ones to have actually interrogated Karr, have been silent about what he told them, citing his right to privacy and legal procedures. Secondhand accounts by Thai officials have been vague and contradictory.
Karr told reporters Thursday that he was alone with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident.
However, there is little public evidence linking him to the crime, prompting some experts to speculate that he is either lying or delusional.
"Many high-publicity crimes have these people coming out of the woodwork," said Elizabeth Loftus, director of the Center for Psychology and Law at the University of California-Irvine.
Lawyers for the Ramsey family say a number of people already have confessed to the killing of JonBenet, but none had enough credibility to attract the attention of law enforcement.
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Things just do not seem right in this case. Bring on the DNA testing.Michael
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Suspects are treated in such a way as to solicit as much info as possible. This character obviously talks when people treat him with almost a feminine touch. If this gets him to open up and give the kind of details that proves his guilt why not. Had he fought extradition, the cost to taxpayers would be far higher than a glass of champagne and a decent seat on a plane.
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I don't know why the **** they have to bring his **** back here to test his DNA they should have got it done already if there is so much dobt.Samsung UN46C7000
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Karr already had a DNA test performed on him in Thailand.
He's being deported back to the US because he's the suspect of a crime committed here and only a DNA test done in the states will be sufficient in court.
I don't know if he did it or not. The sick f--k has had an obession with little girls all his life, so when he said he was "there when Benet died", hell that could mean a number of things as far as he's concerned. Physically, emotionally, who knows.
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Something just doesn't seem right with this guy.
Wasn't his wife or girlfriend on the news giving an alibi for him when the JonBenet was murdered? Saying they were nowhere near the Benet's residence.
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Give me five minutes with him, I'll perform that sex change for free.>
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I'm not sure this was the guy either. He may know something or he is being arrested to help the Boulder Police save some face in this 10 year debacle.
He is a real creep. The problem is that he may like jail. Lot's of men to have their way with him, he'd like that.Carl -
I don't think he is the killer, but, he sure seems to think he is. Strange egg for sure.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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markmarc wrote:Suspects are treated in such a way as to solicit as much info as possible. This character obviously talks when people treat him with almost a feminine touch. If this gets him to open up and give the kind of details that proves his guilt why not.
That's exactly the investigators motive. Right now he is not under arrest---yet, so anything they can get him to say will be admissable in court.
It's a clever tactic and will payoff in the courtroom, if this a-hole is the geniune killer.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
i don't think he killer her either. but still a freak. wax figure lookin' freak.
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BIZILL wrote:i don't think he killer her either. but still a freak. wax figure lookin' freak.
Glad someone finally mentioned his "unique" pallor.... I've been tripping on it since Day One.:eek:I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
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"He later dined on roast duck with soy sauce and yellow noodles, and for his third meal had pizza, chocolates and a bottle of Evian.
He sometimes conversed with Spray, who took notes on some of the remarks. Karr told an AP reporter that it was “small talk.”
Also during the flight, Karr flipped through movie channels, watched “The Last Samurai,” dozed and made several trips to the restroom accompanied by two guards. Each time the door was left slightly ajar.
At one point he changed out of the red shirt and tie, replacing them with a blue polo, but then changed back into the shirt and tie before the landing".PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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Looks like the Boulder DA has dropped all charges....
no match on the DNA samplesI never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
This case is getting weird! Send his **** back to Thailand to face the wrath of those nutballs!No excuses!
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now what? He must be smilin' for getting a free business class ride, back to the US. Time to heads back to Bang-Kock for him.
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Just heard myself. His family says he "may have a personality disorder." Ya think? I think he needs to be locked up regardless. You can tell alot about someone thru their eyes, and his are dark and cold. He is a killer waiting to happen.UNIVERA
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He won't go free...........he has to face the court in CA. for child ****.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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I think alot of people knew early on he didn't do it. He was just infatuaited with JonBonett and knew alot about the case.. and that's why he said he did it. i saw this coming from miles away.
So who killed the princess then?
BOULDER, Colo. (AP) - Prosecutors abruptly dropped their case Monday against John Mark Karr in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey, saying DNA tests failed to put him at the crime scene despite his insistence he sexually assaulted and strangled the 6-year-old beauty queen.
Just a week and a half after Karr's arrest in Thailand was seen as a remarkable break in the sensational, decade-old case, prosecutors suggested in court papers that he was just a man with a twisted fascination with JonBenet who confessed to a crime he didn't commit.
"The people would not be able to establish that Mr. Karr committed this crime despite his repeated insistence that he did," District Attorney Mary Lacy said in court papers.
The 41-year-old schoolteacher will be kept in jail in Boulder until he can be sent to Sonoma County, Calif., to face child pornography charges dating to 2001. An extradition hearing was scheduled for Tuesday.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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it had to be a man... men have ****, women don't.
I think it was another male family member.. someone who the family trusted... but then wouldn't you think that all the family members would have to give DNA samples by now?
But remember when this first broke.. the parents were not cooperating with the investigators? I found that very odd.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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The old video clips of him have inspired me to grow a mullet.
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Dennis Gardner wrote:He won't go free...........he has to face the court in CA. for child ****.
This may have been his motive all along. A free trip home and a short time behind bars in CA where he can demand a sex change. Prisoners in CA get organ transplants so why not a free sex change? I think one sued the state last year for one.
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I found all his antics to be mostly sick fan-based stuff, but the S.B.T.C. **** written 15 years before the murder kinda creeps me out..............HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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After a short google it appears they cannot get changed while locked up.
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It's comforting to know that after 32 years this thing is eligible for parole for a 123 year sentence.
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danger boy wrote:it had to be a man... men have ****, women don't.
There was no **** found on her.
The ransom note sounds like a female wrote it.
Dennis, that SBTC thing creeps me out too.
