Use your lunch break to fill your gas tank.

PolkThug

More info on Klein's projects.

http://hytechapps.com/company/press

halo

cheddar wrote:

Halo,

Usually, when you follow the "total cost" of any alternative out, you find that they are just not cost effective for whatever reason. Putting all the energy and raw materials into building a model T-like car would probably be a phenomenal waste when the real transportation benefits (getting you from point a to point b for the least amount of gas in the least amount of time) were weighed against it.

And you have to remember, drivers in Europe would probably kill for OUR gasoline prices in the states. So their response to socialist constructed energy prices isn't something that would necessarily be effective here.

Also, not buying gas for a day would just mean that most Amercians would just buy more gas the next day. Most Amercians just aren't willing to give up the convenience of a car at today's fuel prices.

If a solution seems really simple and people just haven't jumped on board, it's usually because the savings in the end just don't add up if you do the math.

Thanks for your $.02 there chedder. In case you didn't notice, the gas station thing has already been pointed out to me by Bob. I don't know, maybe you just like kicking people when they're already down Europe has always had higher gas prices than us but now we're getting closer to what they pay whereas, before, it was larger gap. The Model T died out because technology advanced. They are trying to import some of the micro cars used in Europe but are having issues with emissions (load of shite imo). Oh ,ya, one more thing....I'm not an expert!!! These just seemed like good ideas. How about we go back to horse and carriage? The buggy whip industry will be revived and a new job position (street sweeper) will be created. The Amish are the only ones who've got it figured out

Skynut

What I wonder is.... are all the other oil related products going up in price also?
Is the cost of plastic and whatever other chemicals made from crude oil going up also or mostly the cost of gas?

Are the oil companies raping the country to offset the cost to all the buisnesses that buy other than fuel from them?

reeltrouble1

I sent the BP guy a check for 25.00 bucks to help with his pipeline replacement problem along with a little note telling him I heard him say he was sorry and I certainly understood, how these little maintenance things can get behind, I wonder if the check will actually get cashed?

Halo has good idea's I am with you broham V.

The Amish got it going on since the Mennonite's folded on the car issue, but in all mecca's there has got to be a downer, the Amish kids have discovered coke and not the kind you drink.

random thought--I dont really need a car but I sure enjoy tooling around in my truck.

I got the joke Demi.

Cow **** does make great fuel. Got milk?? So here we are with animal that gives us a very nutrious drink making a contribution to our day, then the cow makes goes further making a total committment to many by being our main course at the table giving sustenance, and in the meantime it craps out fuel.

Holy smokes, I can just see the Big Guy upstairs saying what more do I have to do for you folks?

I am waiting for the first milk jug with an Exxon logo on it!!! Then watch the cost of Cow Food rocket, buy cow food stock now. Then of course those Chicken folks will likely get involved.

mhardy6647

clip-clop, clip-clop, bang! bang! clip-clop, clip-clop...

an Amish drive-by shooting.

bobman1235

Yeah, cow manure would be a great fuel, if only we had another billion or so cows with irritable bowel syndrome around. Honestly, how much **** do you think is just laying around waiting to be used? Half of it ends up being fertilizer already.

cheddar

Halo wrote:

Thanks for your $.02 there chedder. In case you didn't notice, the gas station thing has already been pointed out to me by Bob. I don't know, maybe you just like kicking people when they're already down Europe has always had higher gas prices than us but now we're getting closer to what they pay whereas, before, it was larger gap. The Model T died out because technology advanced. They are trying to import some of the micro cars used in Europe but are having issues with emissions (load of shite imo). Oh ,ya, one more thing....I'm not an expert!!! These just seemed like good ideas. How about we go back to horse and carriage? The buggy whip industry will be revived and a new job position (street sweeper) will be created. The Amish are the only ones who've got it figured out

Not trying to kick you at all. (Although, I don't recall Bob saying people would just buy gas the next day.) Just suggesting, in general, the problem is a lot more complicated than just a quick fix. All power to do work has to come from somewhere. Even "free" energy like solar requires a large investment in materials and infrastructure. Here in California, we have sunny weather and monetary incentives to put solar cells on the roofs of our houses. But to install a sufficient number of them to power a house (and actually turn the meter backwards) costs upwards of $20,000. And you don't actually break even (depending on your utility bill) for a decade or more (guess our bills aren't that "high" after all.)

I'm just saying that fixes that sound so good often come with strings attached. Even "free" energy really isn't free.

Oh and horses and all other **** (as has already been pointed out) produces methane, a green house gas...so if you believe in global warming...and it's not like you can go on vacation and just park your horse in the garage for two weeks...;)

halo

reeltrouble1 wrote:

I sent the BP guy a check for 25.00 bucks to help with his pipeline replacement problem along with a little note telling him I heard him say he was sorry and I certainly understood, how these little maintenance things can get behind, I wonder if the check will actually get cashed?

Halo has good idea's I am with you broham V.

The Amish got it going on since the Mennonite's folded on the car issue, but in all mecca's there has got to be a downer, the Amish kids have discovered coke and not the kind you drink.

random thought--I dont really need a car but I sure enjoy tooling around in my truck.

I got the joke Demi.

Cow **** does make great fuel. Got milk?? So here we are with animal that gives us a very nutrious drink making a contribution to our day, then the cow makes goes further making a total committment to many by being our main course at the table giving sustenance, and in the meantime it craps out fuel.

Holy smokes, I can just see the Big Guy upstairs saying what more do I have to do for you folks?

I am waiting for the first milk jug with an Exxon logo on it!!! Then watch the cost of Cow Food rocket, buy cow food stock now. Then of course those Chicken folks will likely get involved.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

reeltrouble1

Did you ever have a meeting with one of those guys that just rolls his eyes at ideas? It doesn't take much and you will be dammed trying to get some soul to ever open their mouth again.

Hint=dairy cows **** in the same place nobody knows why

Simple, we feed the cows exlax and fiber (err hay is prob loaded with fiber). Then we test tube baby the cows with those fertility drugs so they have twins and triplets and quadruplets and so on, we need to develop a cesearen technique for cows. We do like Chik-fila wants and eat more chicken.

We could build any new roads so they go downhill, then we build a canal going the other way and fill it up with water so you can float back to where you want with your sailboatcartransporter.

random thought--creators and analyzers desperatly need each other even though they never get along.

Well, gents, with todays events I have received a directive to go do my little part to try and help. I will be gone a few days.

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cheddar

Reel,

Kinda like how your mind floats. I actually know about the solar stuff 'cause I really want to put panels on my roof. Making the meter run backwards has always sort of appealed to me. When the math works (and it will one day) I'll be the first one on my block with 'em...;)

halo

Hydro-power BMW: (link) Problem(s) solved?

bobman1235

I can't watch the video at work, and ther'es no accompanying text, ibut if "hydro-power" means "water-powered", then it's been discussed ad-nauseum here already.

If it's hydrogen powered.... well that may be a solution, assuming we can distribute hydrogen at reasonable costs.

halo

Yes it is hydrogen.

As far as "clean" methods of producing electricity - what about windmills (Hawaii, California), Hydro electric dams, and (still in it's infancy) solar? All produce electricity with no (maybe minimal) waste right?

bobman1235

All alternative methods of producing electricity are great, but in most cases just don't produce enough or are prohibitively expensive. Things may change as technologies do, but...

cheddar

Halo wrote:

Yes it is hydrogen.

As far as "clean" methods of producing electricity - what about windmills (Hawaii, California), Hydro electric dams, and (still in it's infancy) solar? All produce electricity with no (maybe minimal) waste right?

Hydro power is great. But you still have to get it past the enviro-nuts. SF gets its water from the hetch-hetchy dam that basically flooded out another yosemite valley. Imagine getting people to agree to build a dam on the current yosemite national park.

Already covered residential solar in California. I also know people who have gone broke buying windmills in the Altamont Pass near Tracy on the way to Stockton. They require a lot of maintenance/replacement. Just look at all the 'frozen' ones or those missing propellers that you see on the way down interstate 580. They may be 'clean' but they are not free. And it's the technology down payment that takes away from their cost effectiveness. If they could make money easily on the power the wind turbines generate, everybody in the bay area would be trying to buy one.

Edit: Oh, and the enviro-nuts are bringing lawsuits against wind power too...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-04-windmills-usat_x.htm

Just can't keep an enviro-nut happy...;)

mrbigbluelight

McDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing) established a huge solar energy farm out in
Nevada (or New Mexico) a while back.
Vast fields of mirrors focused the sun on tanks filled with water in order to form steam that was then used to drive turbine generators.

Environmentalists fought that, too. I can't remember why, but I think it had something to do with the fact that birds were getting cooked.

It's nice to want to minimize damage but, in the long run, stuff dies and the earth is affected with every human that lives.

reeltrouble1

mrbigbluelight wrote:

I can't remember why, but I think it had something to do with the fact that birds were getting cooked.

The Efficient Duplicity of getting two things done at once is to be treasured. KFC needs to jump on this opportunity quickly.

Quote from Western Union to Alexander Graham Bell "Your telephone invention is of no inherit use to our company"

I never stand for my staff to say "but" in a meeting.

Its fine.......but.........a deal killer, heart breaker, moral buster

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bobman1235

While I don't doubt that KFC has considered using non-chicken products in place of chicken, I'm not sure their profits would soar if it came out that they were using solar-panel fried pigeon in their meals.


also, it's inherent, not inherit....

cheddar

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Quote from Western Union to Alexander Graham Bell "Your telephone invention is of no inherit use to our company"

I never stand for my staff to say "but" in a meeting.

Its fine.......but.........a deal killer, heart breaker, moral buster

RT1

So here's a solution:

Through direct oil taxes, military attacks on Iran, and mandated closing of oil fields, drive oil prices above $150-$200 a barrel.

We will have alternative powered cars and homes within 5-10 years with massive investment in all promising forms...

reeltrouble1

My vision is a new KFC, with healthier, solar fried bird, the fat drippings combined with the cow **** to make a new bio-diesel fuel, with electrical by-products to top it all off. Your never going to get the beef completely out of all the taco's. Since the Bell and KFC are really one its a natural.

I leave the details to those experts whose needs can truly be met within the processes of collection, organization, analyzation and actualization of data.

Afterall, I really should not have do everything.

Quote--"The best way to know your future is to invent it".

Update--The BP check has not been cashed, nor returned.

random thought--The St. John's river flows to the North.

stock tip--with so many rich baby boomers growing old prosthetics will be huge.

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reeltrouble1

Ahhhhhh....yes Cheddar,

So given that those at the very top of any system have an inherent interest in maintaining the status quo or propagation of that particular system, who would be most resistant when considering the ultimate consequences of your solution.

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cheddar

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Ahhhhhh....yes Cheddar,

So given that those at the very top of any system have an inherent interest in maintaining the status quo or propagation of that particular system, who would be most resistant when considering the ultimate consequences of your solution.

RT1

But, "who would be most resistant?" What happened to just accepting the genius of creating an idea that would solve the problem? We can leave the details to someone else...afterall, I really shouldn't have to do everything...;)

reeltrouble1

OK,

I did not say not to accept your solution, I just asked the question, if the idea is implemented who will be most resistant? ok, fast forward, after the answer would likely come the question Why? Learned scholars have pretty much determined you have to ask Why? around four-five times to get to the core, once you know Why? let the experts have at it, your right you shouldn't have to if its not your bag. Though I would rest assured it is someone's.

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cheddar

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Ahhhhhh....yes Cheddar,

So given that those at the very top of any system have an inherent interest in maintaining the status quo or propagation of that particular system, who would be most resistant when considering the ultimate consequences of your solution.

RT1

I haven't said not to accept any of Halo's solutions. In fact, I'd like to use solar myself when the math works out as I've already said. Yet you keep implying It's fine, but ... is somehow a bad response to an idea that has a lot of implementation challenges.

Just trying to see if you live by your own admonitions. But the above quote is defintely an It's fine, but ... response where you already know the answer to your own question. I'm not trying to start a fight here. I really was just curious how you critique ideas. From your long response, I think I'll just stick with yes, but...;)

PhantomOG

Ok, everyone can relax. Someone has figured out how to produce clean, free and constant energy.

Found on endgadget today.
Steorn

:rolleyes:

reeltrouble1

ched,

this entire thread is for fun, nobody is wrong or right here. Since you asked I am a lousy critiquer of ideas, I am much much much better at making up the idea/vision to meet a goal, then sending it off to those folks who dot the i's cross the t's and organize the details, then looking at what they tell me wont work and coming up with a solution to that problem, this is my strength the devil of details my weakness, its not right or wrong its the way I work.

example=cows dont **** enough=feed them exlax with fiber=fuel makes harmful carbon=grow plants to intercept harmful carbon, and so on.

I am able to dictate to some folks in my real (reel??waaaaa) life how a meeting will be run, the "but" thing is real, no BUTS, yes, you can say if this occurs then this will/may happen, Logic 101, I just know from experience when someone say's "but" the lights go out, mostly due to someone wanting to defend their position, the "but" guy in stating in their position will invaribly shift their body language in a way not likely to encourage the first speaker, effective meeting dialogue ceases shortly thereafter.

I have never quoted anybody in this thread so how do you know I am even responding specifically to you? I suspect you looked at what I wrote, assimilated the words, experienced some type of feeling(s), appliedyour thoughts and made your response, you did that I did not.

Yes, I am stirring the pot, throwing things out there for sake of whatever might spin back, it's what we do, its entertainment, this thread was dead, someone brought it back, so lets have some fun.

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cheddar

Yes, but ... oh, never mind. In that case. I say if golden eagles are too stupid not get out of the way of a giant airplane propeller, let 'em get hit. Build the wind turbines in the most cost-effective energy efficient way possible and let natural selection create a windmill friendly bird...oh and make the sue happy enviro-nuts clean up the mess...:D

reeltrouble1

Phantom not really a bad thought they might have,

hmmmmmmm.............magnetics, opposing forces, propulsion, ahhhhh, no more gas, giant magnets pull the roadways as the cars just sit on them, reverse the magnet and the road goes the other way.

When two opposing forces with the exact same strength meet upon an object the object will move forward in a straight line.

Demiurge

We had mexican food for lunch today. My gas tank is completely full. Any women on the mountain bike trail after work are going to loooove that.

cheddar

Demiurge wrote:

We had mexican food for lunch today. My gas tank is completely full. Any women on the mountain bike trail after work are going to loooove that.

Now if we could only harness that energy, then uphill wouldn't be so bad...;)