Reeeee-haaaaab!!!

mrbigbluelight

.....not enough cat pictures !

:rolleyes:


....one of the software packages for hosting BBS's back in the old days was called "WWIV" or "WWIII". Can't remember exactly, but I always thought that it was appropriately named due to the massive wars that would break out over religion, politics, or .....the "A" word ( and I don't mean 'Armageddon', although that is what always broke out) !

.....read a lot of posts over the years in the vein of "But nobody ever changes their views ! What's the use ?".
Worst case, that may be true. Even so, hopefully it is entertaining.
Best case, it can happen and at least it can give one a better insight into the "KnuckleHead Klub" (membership of which obviously consists of people who don't agree with me).

One of the nice things about this fourm is you can come here after a day at work dealing with Class A Cheeseheads (be they clients, customers or co-workers) and interact with some Class A Hardheads.
Pretty opinionated but, for the larger part, pretty smart (except, of course, when they disagree with me), entertaining, and , if nothing else, can help keep you off the roof with the deer rifle if you've had a bad day at the office.

Just my opinion, but everybody does a pretty nice job of keeping stuff above board. Real nice job of not discussing religion, pretty nice job of not discussing politics ( ), and stellar job of not discussing the "A" topic.

So .... the more I think about it, it just might be a lack of cat pictures !
If you don't get out of whatever funk you may be in soon, Cfrizz, just get me the word !

BTW, I didn't happen to notice you being particularly out of sorts lately. But if you think more cat pictures would help ........ :eek:

....I have noticed SteveinAz has been a little deranged lately, ie, thinking that Neil Young sux. But I attribute that to the heat out west. Or maybe he's overcome with the knowledge that Alice Cooper is opening up a Youth Center out his way. Either way, ..... it's okay.

mrbigbluelight

On topic, regarding Mel Gibson: he had a snoot full of Tequila.

Pretty much says it all.

Where the things he said what he hopes is written on his tombstone ? Heck, no.
But I do think that his attempt at reaching out to the Jewish community was the right thing to do.

Looks to me like he was saying, "Ooops. I was wrong".

aaharvel

They make take his license, but they'll never take his FREEDOM!

PolkThug

You can have my Mad Max poster when you pry it from my cold, dead hand.

buttdad

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It's not Mad Max but......

wingnut4772

aaharvel wrote:

They make take his license, but they'll never take his FREEDOM!

Sweet Lord in Heaven that is funny.

ohskigod

Buttdad, thats swerve for Jesus thing is friggin hilarious!!

anyway

I believe Mel Gibson is genuinly sorry, but there is no excuse for such blatant disregard for human life..i.e. the drunk driving.

I've seen to many drunk drivers hurt and kill people in my ambulance days to let that **** slide with a press release. Especially when he keeps doing it. I dont get it, especially with a rich dude. you cant just drink in your kajillion square foot mansion and leave the cars in the f*#kin garage????

apparently hiring someone with your wads of cash to drive you is not an option either. I dont even place much to the anti semite comments. If there are Jews that actually care about his opinion, then there just sheep in my eyes. How anti semitic comments have more weight than the potential of Mel killing innocent life by drunk driving is beyond me!

People say anti christian, anti italian, anti fat, and anti hairy crap all the time, and I still look in the mirror and see fat, Christian, hairy and Italian perfection starin right back at me

point is, stop caring what other people think about you. GENUINLY stop caring. it makes life SO much more enjoyable

ohskigod

aaharvel wrote:

They make take his license, but they'll never take his FREEDOM!

LOL, NICE!!!!!

Ron-P

I just love how Mel said in an article in the local paper that he's battled the disease of alcoholism all his life. Alcoholism is not a disease, I wish people would stop using that as an excuse for their weakness. You are 100% in control if you take that drink or not, period. It's a choice not a disease.

wingnut4772

Ron-P wrote:

I just love how Mel said in an article in the local paper that he's battled the disease of alcoholism all his life. Alcoholism is not a disease, I wish people would stop using that as an excuse for their weakness. You are 100% in control if you take that drink or not, period. It's a choice not a disease.

I don't think it is a disease either..as diseases go. I do think though that some people have a genetic predisposition to being addicted more than others. There is always a choice, however.

F1nut

How anti semitic comments have more weight than the potential of Mel killing innocent life by drunk driving is beyond me!

Bingo!!!



We have, in this great country of ours, the Freedom Of Speech. That means anyone can say whatever the hell they want. You don't have to like what they say, but they have the right to say it. As far as Mel's comments, get over it.

F1nut

Ron & Darla,

I have studied alcoholism in great depth, there is no question that it is not only a mental disease, it is physical as well. There is nothing weak about being an alcoholic. In fact, it takes balls to be one and even more balls to live without feeding the disease.

wingnut4772

F1nut wrote:

Ron & Darla,

I have studied alcoholism in great depth, there is no question that it is not only a mental disease, it is physical as well. There is nothing weak about being an alcoholic. In fact, it takes balls to be one and even more balls to live without feeding the disease.

I said it was physiological. At least I think I think I did. I have studied it in great depth as well. 38 years with an alcoholic father and you learn a few things.

F1nut

38 years with an alcoholic father and you learn a few things.

Yep, that's up and close.

buttdad

The choice is only before the first drink. After that you pay the price for putting a toxin in your system. Most are lucky enough to enjoy it some pay a great price for ever trying. The choice was only for the first one, after that the only choice that can be made is to get help if needed. In between how can anyone judge someone else as weak.

Main Entry: dis·ease
Pronunciation: di-'zEz
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English disese, from Anglo-French desease, desaise, from des- dis- + eise ease
1 obsolete : TROUBLE
2 : a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms


the condition is the brains inability to believe it can function without alcohol
the distinguishing symptom - no explanation needed

the courage to empower ones mind to believe it can function without alcohol once it has been poisoned, requires the strength of a man much greater than one who sits in anonymity and judges others.

But for the grace of God go I ......

bert26

I think this is a great thread and agree the Clubhouse is a great place to discuss this sort of stuff. I don't always agree with it, but I feel like you all are old friends (as I have been reading the board for a while), and old friends have a tendency to disagree every so often.

That being said, I think Mel was a putz for lashing out that way (and I personally believe that he is DEAD WRONG). He will pay a price in that some people will opt out of his next flicks. We all have feelings inside that should never see the light of day, but anger and alcohol have a tendency to surface them. A personal example is my getting bent at women driving gigantic SUV's. Bugs the hell out of me, but it is so irrational for me to feel that way. If one cuts me off in traffic - look out - the profanity starts a flyin’. Again, irrational and completely foolish, but that's just me being me.

As for alcoholism being a disease - I don't believe that is the case. I too have some extensive study experience curtsey of my late father. If alcoholism is a disease, then I believe smoking, cocaine, prescription med addiction etc. should be categorized this way as well.

Noel and Mac - right on fellas.

Mr BBL - MORE CAT PICTURES!

edit to correct spelling

Demiurge

Mel Gibson takes a damn good mug shot for someone all schnockered up. Yasmine Bleeth, and Nick Nolte weren't so lucky.

wingnut4772

Like I said.. I think some people are more prone to be vulnerable due to genetics. My Dad's father died from complications of alcoholism and all of his brothers are alcoholics also. Me? I prefer Ben & Jerrys and Haagen Daz and I do consider myself lucky that I did not seem to inherit the taste for alcohol. It just never appealed to me but I know that people struggle with it and it is not easy but in the end I still believe that there is a choice. Just not an easy one.

bobman1235

I would be happier if, rather than saying alcoholism is a disease, it was instead said that certain people are more prone to addiction than others. There's obviously something genetic and beyond rational control that makes someone an addict while someone else is not. Disease just seems like a dishonest way to put it, that's all.

buttdad

bert26 wrote:

As for alcoholism being a disease - I don't believe that is the case. I too have some extensive study experience curtsey of my late father. If alcoholism is a disease, then I believe smoking, cocaine, prescription med addiction etc. should be categorized this way as well.QUOTE]

Someone who uses alcohol in excess to to the point it destroys their life and ruins their relationships is said to be an alcoholic. Your co-worker who steps outside to have a cigarette 2-3 times a day is what ???? the same as an alcoholic ??? No way......not yet.

When your co-worker decides the damage they are doing to their lungs from smoking is something they don't want to do anymore but now can't stop smoking, YES they are exactly the same. The mind believes it can't function without nicotine and overrides the right frontal lobes logical and rational desire to not damage their lungs. Isn't the function of the brain now impaired

"a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning"

same goes with the high dollar exec who does coke on the "weekends only", still has the million dollar pad, vacations and his neighbors think he's great, is he the same as an alcoholic ???? no, when he tries to stop doing cocaine and can't now he's the same.

What we share is that yes it is a choice to take that first hit/drink. Choosing to get drunk or have a drink does not indicate a disease but after that, too much of it and your brain is now "diseased" and needs to be treated.

It is not an excuse to hide behind though and not make the choice to try and change.

Just one guys experience and humble opinion.

bert26

Hey BD,

I am sorry that I was not more precise - it was the addictive part of the other activities that would lead me to lump them in with alcoholism. I did not mean to insinuate that the casual smoker or drug user was in the same "boat" as a full blown alcoholic, much as I would not consider myself an alcoholic although a casual drinker. I view the addiction as more of the issue rather than the activity

I think we are on the same page, but I didn't explain myself very well....

buttdad

No need to be sorry, you were clear and your right, same page.

"I view the addiction as more of the issue rather than the activity"

It's an inetersting subject, I have friends and loved ones on both sides.
I fall in the middle like yourself. There may be no simple anwser but discussing it and the desire to learn more is cool.

Ron-P

Society just seems to be attaching the word "disease" to just about any issue someone may have and use it as a scapegoat instead of owning up and being responsible. If you have a problem with alcohol, stay away, it's as simple as that. NO ONE is forcing you to go to the bar or store for your drinks. YOU make the choice to drink it.

buttdad

I work with troubled youth and can tell you most of them have not had the benefit of good instruction, guidance and ENCOURAGEMENT like I am sure most of us had. So yes they make a bad choice to start.

After the choice is what I am talking about. Over 75% of the kids I work with do not accept responsibility for themselves, but guess what,the parents tought them that everyone else is responsible for their place in life. I do agree with you on that point.

"just say no" sounds good to anyone who is sober and who's brain is not
"diseased". To a disadvantaged, underprivelegd often neglected and abused adolescent who can only find relief in alcohol due to poor parenting and who now suffers the disease of addiction it means nothing and that's why treatment is necessary.

It is a subjective diagnosis yes, but saying someone is weak because they didn't have the advantage of a good positive upbringing to make good choices and made a bad to choice to ever start isn't right either.

"Society just seems to be attaching the word "disease" to just about any issue someone may have"

Can you give an example ?

ND13

Sorry people, alcoholism is a physical disease and some people are pre-disposed(genetically) to this disease. All it takes for some of these people is to have a couple of drinks at a frat party(as an example) as an adult and bam, they're screwed. Even if they had never had a drink in their lives prior to the frat party. It's the same for opiate adicts, too. One can be pre-disposed(genetically) to opiate addiction.

I'm not disagreeing that some of the people that are labeled as addicts/alcoholics aren't copping out as an excuse or being told they are by some quack, but there are truly diseased people out there and plenty of them. What I mean is, not all people that have been labeled as alcoholics/addicts are actually that, but to say that alcoholism isn't a disease...well

Dennis Gardner

For a hardened alcoholic, .12 BAC isn't even close to being drunk. Most won't feel a buzz at this blood alcohol level and will be in total control of themselves due to practice. Mel must be a cheap drunk.

I blew .14 for a DUI 15 years ago and it never did cross my mind to blame the Jews or consider fighting/arguing with the police. I fully knew I was caught and simply thought.....oh, ****.....I hope I can still stand on one leg and walk this yellow parking line..........I couldn't and $5k later, I had a permanent record.

I was simply driving because the guy I was partyin' with was worse than I was.:D

Ron-P

Glad you didn't kill anyone Dennis.

Can you give an example ?

Just watch the news most everything people have a proplem with is considered a disease. Our society is becomming less and less responsible and want to find an excuse for it, so, lets call it a "disease", when it is truely not.

If you have a problem with alcohol or anything else stay away from it. It's that simple, period.

PhantomOG

call it a "disease" all you want, but I'll be pretty damn pissed the first time I hear about a drunk driver killing someone and getting off because of their "disease".
:mad:

Skynut

I recently realized I have an audio disease.

I need monitary therapy to assist me in upgrading my disease one more time before I quit. (for a while)

ND13

PhantomOG wrote:

call it a "disease" all you want, but I'll be pretty damn pissed the first time I hear about a drunk driver killing someone and getting off because of their "disease".
:mad:

I don't believe that this will or has ever happened.