Let's start a fight

jm1

pearsall001,

Have you measured your in-room response with these speakers and get a -3db at 25Hz? I was curious what these speakers were and found a review with NRC measurements of the speakers. Even with room gain, it looks like 25Hz would be down significantly for the average level.

Personally, it does not matter if I listen to a two-channel system with two, three (one sub) or four (two subs) individual speaker cabinets. I focus on the end result and do not have a bias against any implementation method. I will keep the Dynaudio C1 monitors with the two SVS PCU's until fate smiles kindly on me and an upgrade is possible.

F1nut

Jim Shearer wrote:

Or is there presence & life in the music when you've got real dynamic power is the system?

You bet your arse there is!

pearsall001

jm1, No I have not measured my room response, to be honest I am not really up to speed on how to even attempt a test like that. The figures I gave are directly from the owners manual. Steve Monte from Questforsound.com where I bought them is a little conservative in his on line description of them. He has them at 30Hz-30Khz. Either way these puppies dig real deep. In fact with my buddies over for some listening sessions they all had to physically get up to make sure the SVS sub was not on. They simply can't believe the bass output on these guys along w/ the total overall sound, simply stunning. I only put so much stock into specs, I go with what sounds good to me. Maybe a quick lesson on how to do a room response? I think it might be fun. I'm always open to learn something new. Even reading the graphs that you added were Greek to me. Thanks

Gaara

Steve over at Questforsound was a joy to work with. I bought my gallo dues from him and the entire process from when I first made contact to when he shipped took a little less then 4 hours. I received them in only two days and love them. He was great to work with very friendly and very professional. Sorry to go off topic but I rarely have a experience this good buying equipment online.

Jared

reeltrouble1

pear,

Don't even worry about learning that stuff if it does not interest you, those two devices hanging on your head tell you everything you really need to know. Mesurements are useful when you hear something you dont like and cant figure out how to correct it without some data.

Some just want to listen to music and some want to disect the sound and understand it in a measureable way just different things the hobby offers. BTW there really is not any reason to worry about getting a flat response to 25hz unless you are into some kind of chamber music and even then we are only talking a note or two within a piece, you can synth bass that deep but its sounds like synth not natural analog wave musical instruments, its noise that goes low which is why a sub for HT is a good thing.

RT1

jm1

pearsall001,

Glad you like your speakers. Too bad I probably will never have a chance to listen to these.

RT1,

Actually, I was curious to know if he was experiencing 25Hz @ -3db with these monitors when a lot of floor standing speakers do not extend that low. Quest For Sound mentions a 30 Hz-30kHz response, but does not qualify the values.

For the record, I enjoy the end result by listening to music. Technical aspects of this hobby are used for component selection and system configuration within my audio room.


JM1

reeltrouble1

JM I dont want you to feel I am attacking you although Tonyb wants a fight!!! my comments were a generalized response. except to pear. You cant listen to a spec, so their usefullness is very short lived as a quick culling mechanism to eliminate some crap gear which most of the time the hobbiest already knows is crap to start with. The -3db rating for speakers is useful and when it is not indicated a warning flag should be raised.

We have many members who like to measure data using analyzers and scopes and express their finding's in graphic form its all good, like measuring the ring drop bass hit, its the only way I would ever know what it is. Measurements are just not my bag for others though that is just not the case.

jm1

I agree with what you said and didn't get the impression I was being attacked. I enjoy classical material and benefit from the extra extension provided by subs. Just stating my perspective as I do not agree with the others. Also received the information I needed from the response to my question. Out.

jm1

Mike Levigne has composed a review of his full range speakers for Positive Feedback. The following is a quote from the review:

"One revelation that is crystal clear to me is that the foundation of the music lives in the bass. Music exists on a bed of ambience that lives in the deep bass. When you combine a speaker that has essentially unlimited bass potential with a room uncompromisingly designed to allow that bass to work ...and then you 'break the code' on how to make it function perfectly ...you will not believe what is possible. Honestly; words fail me. I just wish my skill with words matched the magnificence of what I hear"

The first two sentences reflect what I have discovered with my limited resources (compared to his) and experimentation with full range sound(monitor speakers with subs). Acoustically treating my room provides benefits I have tried to explain with words, but I feel that I failed to adequeatly communicate the true measure of improvements.

The complete article can be found here.

Thanks, TonyB, for making me revisit the two-channel subwoofer issue and ultimately find this review.

reeltrouble1

Well i keep coming back to the fact that there are floorstanders quite capable of reproducing the bass on any recording. If you have a pair of these their is no sonic benefit in adding another crossover, powered amp, wires and so on and so on to listen to the music. Although there exists a distinct possibility of a boosted signal, whether this is pleasing is subjective.

Frankly I find statements that music lives with in any one part or instrument a poor representation to exude as some sort of gospel or certainly fact. Each instrument adds its own timbre as notes and chords are played in a progression remove any of them and the piece suffers. If bass were the heart of music or base of music I would think playing a bass line all by itself would be a continual pleasing experience to listen to, I cant say I find that to be the case nor do others I know who I share this hobby with. A solid bass line lasting a minute can be quite pleasing as in say The Chain--Fleetwood Mac but its not the essence of the tune.

Music is comprised of beat, melody, and rythym this is basic music theory 101and there were fine reproduction musical reproduction systems for years before HT popularized the sub woofer. Classical music uses a large number of instruments taking time to fully develop all of the modes and chord progressions of the pieces key, the heart or soul of the music lies within that genius.

RT1-out

I-SIG

reeltrouble1 wrote:

Well i keep coming back to the fact that there are floorstanders quite capable of reproducing the bass on any recording. If you have a pair of these their is no sonic benefit in adding another crossover, powered amp, wires and so on and so on to listen to the music. Although there exists a distinct possibility of a boosted signal, whether this is pleasing is subjective.

But at what cost? Yeah, I spent $1100 on my SRS's, but in my living room I have gaping hole in the midbass when they are by themselves. Would some WattPuppies work? Maybe, maybe not.

Turn on the sub and BAM! I'm right where in should've been in the first place: Front row center! and able to hang with many of the other more modern big-boy towers.

Wes