Global Warming?

jdhdiggs

Cliff, I think you are a great example why this topic does need to be brought up and discussed publicly (In a larger forum than CP). Most people don't have the background and haven't done the research to come to any informed conclusion so what they here from the news must be right.

You would be surprised by the amount of pseudo-science BS that is broadcast daily and gobbled up as fact by the public at large.

fish369

A large vulcanic eruption pumps more crap into the atmosphere in a short period of time verse longer term industrial pollutants.

Well put, HBombToo, the former Ms.Dixie Lee Ray former nuclear reglatory commission chairwoman, she has some great books on the subject, look her up.

HBombToo

I'm with jd on this one... he just beat me to it.

In no way is my position condoning polluting the environment, I'm just saying the environment has much more immediate impact than we can imagine.

Drumingman

Earth heats up, Earth cools down, like the stock market it goes up and down.
The USA is blamed for every little problem when although we have cleaned up our act, We pollute a lot less than most other countries, but go ahead and say how bad we are. Al Gore wants do away with cars altogether saying their the biggest threat to all of mankind, Poppycock. I wonder what kind of transportation he uses? Fact is, The USA was much more polluted in the 1800's than it is today due to a lot of coal burning and wood buring to help people to heat their homes and businesses in the effort to keep from freezing to death in the winter. I've also heard that these warming effects come from cows farting, and ya know, their absolutly right, those nice cows emiting too many gasses. I also hear that todays automobiles , when running, emit less ozone destroying gasses than a 1960's car, turned off and sitting in a driveway, Another tall tail that I do not believe.

What say you :eek:

HBombToo

fish369 wrote:

the former Ms.Dixie Lee Ray former nuclear reglatory commission chairwoman, she has some great books on the subject, look her up.

Thanks for the tip. At least I'll have something more to google other than the Tastefull Babe Thread here at work;)

faster100

Glad im a example... Its not religious based by me i can assure you.. and its certainly not from the news...

It only makes sense, ok we arent the deciding factor.. but its more then just alittle impact... I don't need no stinkin degree or chart to tell me that..


and im not picketing, or a tree hugger... I drive a gas guzzler SUV.. I pollute im sure , i eat red meat.. LOL... Its my opinion,

Demiurge

I read a lot books on the matter, and they all debunk the junk science that tries to scare people and give them way more -- uhh, credit than they deserve.

jdhdiggs

PolkThug wrote:

Ok, how many tons of pollutants were put in the air last year from volcanos vs. tons of pollutants put in the air last year from humans?

The Kona volcano in Hawaii alone produces more produces more pollutants than 3,500+ typical power plants (1,200 tons of SO2 every day)

In WA, Mt. St. Helens produces 50-250 tons of SO2 per day. The rest of the state combined makes 120 tons

These are relatively little leakers.

My wife will have more info, I'll ask her later.

PhantomOG

faster100 wrote:

Phantom, The whinning comment is stupid.. and frankly im tired of it. we can have a cival discussion, without name calling..

I'm enjoying a little debate, don't ruin it

where is any name calling? You asked for facts then backtracked and wanted to leave hard data out. In a discussion like this, opinions backed only with personal feelings as opposed to data isn't a debate -- its banter. If that's what you want, feel free, I won't get in your way.

faster100

ok ok come on now...

saying im whinning certainly sounds like name calling..

Banter? that must comprise every discussion on this forum then about audio..

add something, then... what's your wisdom? today

PolkThug

jdhdiggs wrote:

The Kona volcano in Hawaii alone produces more produces more pollutants than 3,500+ typical power plants (1,200 tons of SO2 every day)

In WA, Mt. St. Helens produces 50-250 tons of SO2 per day. The rest of the state combined makes 120 tons

These are relatively little leakers.

My wife will have more info, I'll ask her later.

Cool thats the info I was looking for.

Time to build some smokestacks on the pretty volcanos!

PolkThug

More data from usgs.gov (I am now officially anti-volcano)

"Kilauea Volcano on the Island of Hawai`i emits about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide (SO2) gas each day during periods of sustained eruption. Air pollution caused by sulfur dioxide and other volcanic gases became a frequent problem on the island in mid-1986, when the volcano's ongoing eruption, which began in 1983, changed from episodes of spectacular lava fountaining (shown here) to a nearly constant but quiet outflow of lava and gas."

jdhdiggs

The SO2 is "acid rain" and makes up between 0.01-5% of a volcanoes total emmisions. CO2 makes up between 3%-40% of the gases released. Most of the gas released is deadly dyhydrogen oxide, but the amount released is inconsequential compared to other sources.

My guesses as to source cause of the gases:
CO2/CO:
1) biomass (Decay and living)
2) natural-other (Volcano's and such
3) manmade

S02
1) Volcanic activity
98415025) man

faster100

I have some global testing to do fella's... i'm out for now.. or is it bring the girls to the park time.. um yeah..

later,

jdhdiggs

PolkThug wrote:

More data from usgs.gov (I am now officially anti-volcano)

"Kilauea Volcano on the Island of Hawai`i emits about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide (SO2) gas each day during periods of sustained eruption. Air pollution caused by sulfur dioxide and other volcanic gases became a frequent problem on the island in mid-1986, when the volcano's ongoing eruption, which began in 1983, changed from episodes of spectacular lava fountaining (shown here) to a nearly constant but quiet outflow of lava and gas."

But they've been doing that for millions of years and everythings not dead yet... No need to hate the poor little volcano's. It just makes you realize how insignificant man's power can be.

faster100

Oh get off it, :rolleyes:

Demiurge

jdhdiggs wrote:

But they've been doing that for millions of years and everythings not dead yet... No need to hate the poor little volcano's. It just makes you realize how insignificant man's power can be.

Indeed.

PolkThug

jdhdiggs wrote:

But they've been doing that for millions of years and everythings not dead yet... No need to hate the poor little volcano's. It just makes you realize how insignificant man's power can be.

Hold on!

According to the US Dept of Energy, current annual US sulfur dioxide emissions from coal power plants are at 11 million tons.

That's 30,136 tons a day. Your previous numbers are way too low.

Conclusion:
Volcano= bad
Humans = bad

jdhdiggs

PolkThug wrote:

Hold on!

According to the US Dept of Energy, current annual US sulfur dioxide emissions from coal power plants are at 11 million tons.

That's 30,136 tons a day. Your previous numbers are way too low.

Conclusion:
Volcano= bad
Humans = bad

That was from 2 small volcanoes venting (Not really eruptions). Check out Indonesia, ocean trenches, etc...

Mt Ponatubo released 12,000,000 tons in one eruption so Major Volcano eruption = US for a year = Bad

A seemingly good sight: http://toms.umbc.edu/

petrym

I want to watch the next Ice Age when Alaska, Canada, and most of the northern United States will be scraped off -- I wonder if Superfund will cover that cleanup after the ice retreats?

PolkThug

jdhdiggs wrote:

Mt Ponatubo released 12,000,000 tons in one eruption so Major Volcano eruption = US for a year = Bad

That ****!

Add in the coal burning plants in Mexico and all the motor vehicles and .... *cough*


....can't breath....

You should see the thick smoke pour off my drag radials! yeehaw!

ND13

Drumingman wrote:

Al Gore wants do away with cars altogether saying their the biggest threat to all of mankind, Poppycock. I wonder what kind of transportation he uses?

When I worked at Opryland Hotel in 1990, he drove a POS Toyota Corrola, but Tipper drove a new Jaguar. I know because I valet parked them.

unc2701

I'm not familiar with junkscience.com's global warming arguments, but I would not trust a damn thing he puts up there. I've done a bunch of work with air pollution and health effects and his "debunking" of some of the major studies of the last 10 years consist mainly of lies, ommisions, twisting of facts, and piss poor statistical analysis.

So, take what you find there with a big grain of salt. Actually, ingore what you find there. He comes down on the side of industry no matter what the facts are.

jdhdiggs

unc2701 wrote:

I'm not familiar with junkscience.com's global warming arguments, but I would not trust a damn thing he puts up there. I've done a bunch of work with air pollution and health effects and his "debunking" of some of the major studies of the last 10 years consist mainly of lies, ommisions, twisting of facts, and piss poor statistical analysis.

So, take what you find there with a big grain of salt. Actually, ingore what you find there. He comes down on the side of industry no matter what the facts are.

That's funny, my wife works in the environmental engineering field and that sight matches most, if not all, of their findings in the field she works in. What sources were you using? Where are these other facts?

It would be odd that he'd be dead on in some areas and so far off in others. What studies were you part of?

Shizelbs

jdhdiggs wrote:

You would be surprised by the amount of pseudo-science BS that is broadcast daily and gobbled up as fact by the public at large.

I swear some days thats all my job revolves around. Trying to convince patients, and sometimes physicians, what they heard is wrong and why.

faster100

jdhdiggs wrote:

That's funny, my wife works in the environmental engineering field

explains the agenda here,

ND13

But I thought everything you hear on the radio, tv and read on the internet was true:rolleyes:

jdhdiggs

Shizelbs wrote:

I swear some days thats all my job revolves around. Trying to convince patients, and sometimes physicians, what they heard is wrong and why.

But shouldn't I be trying levitra?

faster100

ND13 wrote:

But I thought everything you hear on the radio, tv and read on the internet was true:rolleyes:

Only if it's in favor to your argument, other wise it's all banter

unc2701

Dude, he does no reseach, he has no data. Whenever something is published giving a completely no-**** result (up pollution levels and asthamtic kids start wheezing) he comes back with "correlation is not causation". That's true. Except that there are hundreds of studies showing the biologic pathways that cause the inflamation which leads to the health effects. So causation is established and the epidemiologic studies show that it happens on a large scale at ambient levels. Then he ususally throws in some lies about how the study was funded, debunked by other scientists, or otherwise flawed. A good example would be the harvard 6 cities study- go read what he has to say about that, then we'll talk.

Now. That's just talking about the air pollution/ health effects. I'm not an expert in global warming, but I really know my **** when it comes to health effects. I spend about half my time doing this, and about half doing pharma research and I'm well qualified to say that most of what's on that website is poorly written BS.