Global Warming?
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I just finished reading Michael Crichton's most recent book, "State of Fear", and decided to to watch Al Gore's documentary/slide show/presentation "An Inconvenient Truth" to see both sides of the same argument. I assumed that since both were recently released that they might she a current events light on to it.
What does everyone else think? Is Global Warming a fact or a fiction? Anyone else read "State of Fear" or seen "An Inconvient Truth" that wishes to comment?
What does everyone else think? Is Global Warming a fact or a fiction? Anyone else read "State of Fear" or seen "An Inconvient Truth" that wishes to comment?
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Oh, this should be interesting.
Put me in the camp of skeptical of 'global warming'
I have a copy of State of Fear, but I need to actually read it. -
I read "State of Fear", I haven't gotten around to "An Inconvenient Truth" yet.
Of course, keep in mind the former is fiction...
As for the issue, I'm skeptical about the SCOPE of the argument for global warming. There's obviously an environmental problem out there, but I hate how it's thrown about every time something happens in nature. We had an exceptionally rainy season? GLOBAL WARMING! Snowy winter? GLOBAL WARMING! Tsunami? GLOBAL WARMING!If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
State of Fear is an awesome book, a little slow paced, but it's well researched and documented.
Global Warming as a product of man is **** until someone can give us temperature data that goes back thousands and thousands of years, which we don't have. Could the planet be getting warmer? Yes. Is it a result of man? I doubt it. It's pretty arrogant to suggest that man can alter the climate and control the weather. The world is a very old and big place, and 'mother nature' is powerful.
If you read State of Fear you'd notice that the powers that be would alter the data given to them by scientists to alter the results of research. Ultimately making the data show something that falls into the pattern of their beliefs.
Al Gore is becoming Gary Busey, and will spin off the planet if he's not careful. -
bobman1235 wrote:Of course, keep in mind the former is fiction...
The story is, but all of the data is real, researched, and documented in the back of the book. -
I think man does have some effect but how much? My guess is not much at all and definately not beyond the normal variations that the planet has already seen. People point to the green house gases and other problems caused by man but they seem to forget that a single major volcanic eruption releases far more of those chemicals than all of mankind for a period of years could even hope to produce. Also, the sun is putting out more power than it ever has since it started to get measured.
I also think it's telling that there are scientists that say we are heading for an ice age as well. Which is it?
Are we polluting and killing the biosphere and causing global warming? Yes
Could we be doing better? Yes
Is global warming caused by humans a grave and immediate threat? NO!There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Demiurge wrote:The story is, but all of the data is real, researched, and documented in the back of the book.
Have you watched An Inconvenient Truth yet? I recommend you do, it turns out that there is indeed temperature and carbon dioxide data going back 650 thousand years which he uses in his slide show. The data is collected from core samples in the ice. It makes for an interesting contrast between the two sides.Lovin that music year after year.
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Global warming is a natural part of the earth's evolution and has happened many times in the multi-billion year history of earth and will occur again and again. It's the Earth's way of self-cleaning, like an oven, in a way.
With that said, we have contributed to the process being SLIGHTLY sped up, with emphasis on SLIGHTLY."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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People forget (or aren't aware) how cyclical weather patterns are. What may seem like a major deviation in winter temperatures from those of recent memory, are in fact, par for the course when viewed from century to century.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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if anyone thinks we only contribute "a little" is crazy... Car emmisions, cell phones, batteries, every other luxury that pollutes the earth.. and all the cases we don't know about where companies are dumping raw sewage and other bio hazardest stuff and over populated earth, and much more of all this stuff even compared to the 50's, the turn of the century even and hundreds of years before that that didnt have these items.. and it just so happens we NOW in our lifetime have Bad hurricanes, floods, Tsunami's, and all the other unreal things going on in the last several years..
Lets not be so arrogant that we have nothing to do with this, or oh just a small portion..MY HT RIG:
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No, they never had bad hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, tornados, tsunamis, etc in the past, just during our lifetimes.:rolleyes:
Come on Cliff, your smarter than that. This **** is just as cyclical as a our upgraditus.:D
The Earth is extremely resilient and will recover, just as it did after the ice age and numerous other times.
Man-kind's dominance is just a blip in the history line."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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Cliff, You got any evidence beyond your supposition? Do some research. On global warming we have minimal impact. The pollution stuff, that you have some grounds on, but global warming? Not so much. Or at least the open, scientifically reviewed studies have found very little evidence.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin
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Ha! I think tsunami's are a perfect example of how people just clump every single natural disaster in with "global warming". Explain to me, how ANYTHING in the environment, even if there was EXTREME global warming, could cause an undersea earthquake, which is where a tsunami comes from. A tsunami is a gigantic wave caused by an earthquake under the ocean. If man caused that by driving too many SUVs, then we're all doomed.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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I can oppose like you can think we have nothing to do with it..
where are your opposing facts? do you study about this as well?
was thier anyone around hundreds or thousands of years ago that is still here? and what real evidence do we have.. Its all speculation IMO...
you can say, its not us, I can say yes it is... yada yada.. does anyone know? NOt really...
That's my take, we are effing the earth up..
will i drive my SUV, use my cell phone, computer and dump motor oil in the yard, LOL YUP!!
so lets have a disscusion, you arent right and im not either... However i think i am
Now noel, get in the flea market where you belong and buy some of my gear im blowing out
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There's another reason I don't believe it.
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Here you go Cliff, 2,000 of average temps for the Northern Hemisphere. Looks like we finally recovered from the cold snap.
More can be found: http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Proxies.htmThere is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Oh stop being so darn anal about topics and just discuss it.. your right, im right... you arent a scientist as much as im not..
I can find as many "links and graphs" on my side as you can against it..
We are still effing up the earth, like it or lump it.. MY HT RIG:
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Or we could just talk in circles and not say anything....
You were the one saying that we were having more than "just a small portion" of the changes. There are many historical records all over the place. The "hockey" stick chart Gore uses has many errors/misrepresentations:
1). Check the scale
2). Global warming (on the chart) started significantly before the industrial revolution
3). Temps are still within the historical norms for the past 2,000 years
4). Very selective data set
I added it for your further edification
Try doing a little research. You're just saying "we're making a difference because I think so" with nothing supporting it.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
He said edification:eek:"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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typical club polk manor, if you can't show me a graph, chart and double blind test you can't have an opinion..
Ok, we have nothing to do with global warming... see ya on the other side MY HT RIG:
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faster100 wrote:where are your opposing facts? do you study about this as well?
you asked for opposing facts then whine because you don't have any yourself to counter the data he has presented? pretty weak... -
Cliff, I sincerely invite you to do the research! We DO have an impact but it is VERY small compared to the effects of the sun, ocean's, volcano's, and other natural causes.
No one should ever argue that we have "no" impact. Just like you carrying a bucket of water out of the ocean. The water level dropped, but was it significant? Get the point?There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
I think that natural phonomena has a much larger and immediate impact to these trends than all man made contributions. A large vulcanic eruption pumps more crap into the atmosphere in a short period of time verse longer term industrial pollutants.***WAREMTAE***
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HBombToo wrote:A large vulcanic eruption pumps more crap into the atmosphere in a short period of time verse longer term industrial pollutants.
But is it the same crap? Is the crap that spews from a volcano the exact same as the crap that spews from a coal burning power plant? -
Early, we can agree to disagree on some things , i didn't do research.. your right. my personal idea's here.
Phantom, The whinning comment is stupid.. and frankly im tired of it. we can have a cival discussion, without name calling..
I'm enjoying a little debate, don't ruin it
and volcano's have been around for centuries and are in one form or another, a natural accuring thing.. sludge, sewage, old batteries, nucleur (sp) wastes is not naturalMY HT RIG:
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PolkThug wrote:But is it the same crap? Is the crap that spews from a volcano the exact same as the crap that spews from a coal burning power plant?
CO2 is CO2, SO2 is SO2, CO is CO... All the greehouse gases are released. Hell Volcanos can even spew cooler stuff like aresenic and radioactive materials.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Ok, how many tons of pollutants were put in the air last year from volcanos vs. tons of pollutants put in the air last year from humans?
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Thanks for informing me of the junkscience site. It was very informative. Data and facts are very boring to many people because they are hard to understand and require many hours of time. They are not quick. And today most things need to be quick to be popular. Global warming is very complicated with many factors that can affect the weather now and in the future. I don't know enough to have any comments on the subject. I also believe most people here have a similar knowledge level on global warming as I do. I think many people feel very strongly about global warming however, but their opinions are not based on science and data but appear to be based on similar things like religious faith. Not a good way to start a informative discussion on a complicated topic.
