World Trade Center

Ron-P

The trailer is up, damn near brought me to tears. Not sure I'm quite ready to watch a film like this.



http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/wtc/hd/

ND13

Hell, if OS had anything to do with the screenplay, I bet it'll be the Amish's fault it all occurred.

MrNightly

Wow. Tears will flow with this one as well huh?

What's that, 2 motion pictures about 9/11 in the same year now? Interesting.

brettw22

One thing that Stone does incredibly is his level of cinemetography......

That musical score got my hairs standing up.......

tommyboy

I know you guys are going to get really pissed when I put this on here but...

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

A friend told me to read a paper and watch a video about how it was impossible for the three tower could collapse and this and that, and I told yeah whatever, I don't believe in that conspiracy ****. He told me just sit down and read it, there is no harm in that. I have to say, this paper (there is also a video with him talking) makes up A LOT of points that haven't been explained. These are physicists and engineers, not just any old guy off the street.

I know you guys all think Im a freak for even bringing this up(thats how I felt with other people talking conspiracy), but he (and others) make very good points that need to be answered.

and by the way, if you read my entry in the flight 93 thread, you know how I feel about this movie. Its all about the money

tommyboy

ND13

I used to be a big Stone fan, but he's really gone off the deep end the last ten years or so. I hope that this movie sticks to the facts and doesn't become one of his conspiracy theory films.

brettw22

It doesn't look like the movie is telling the sory of al queda, so talk conspiracy elsewhere. Thousands died and the why's/how's can be debated on a forum other than here.

danger boy

Wow! I'm with Ron-P. I'm not sure i'm ready to see this movie.. but you know, I think we have to. We can't forget the brave men and women who gave their lives that day... just doing what they were taught to do, and what any human would do in that situation.

No doubt it will bring people to tears. I'll be tough for me as well. I was at ground zero a few weeks after 9-11. I ate lunch, met and talked with the men and women that were there during the clean up and recovery process. It'll be impossible not to let it affect you.

ND13

All I'm saying is I really don't care for Stone's take on things in his last few movies I've seen and I really don't plan on seeing this one, but i hope he sticks to the facts and doesn't over-dramatize and take things out of perspective or make a mockery of the worst tragedy in my lifetime.

brettw22

That wasn't directed to you Noel......it was to tommy's link with a 30 page writeup on the theories......

ND13

Cool

schwarcw

I don't like the show biz kids in Hollywood making money by mixing drama, fiction and real life tragedies to line their pockets with gold. Ron Howard and Oliver Stone have slumped to the level of a crack addict to do anything for money. Did the film companies offer to compensate any of the victims families and the NYPD and NYFD suffering with the proceeds. Hell no! Just more money for bigger houses in Malibu. Ignore these films.

aaharvel

schwarcw wrote:

I don't like the show biz kids in Hollywood making money by mixing drama, fiction and real life tragedies to line their pockets with gold. Ron Howard and Oliver Stone have slumped to the level of a crack addict to do anything for money. Did the film companies offer to compensate any of the victims families and the NYPD and NYFD suffering with the proceeds. Hell no! Just more money for bigger houses in Malibu. Ignore these films.

Going by that train of thought nobody should've watched Spielberg's Schlinders List or Mel Gibson's Passion Of The Christ either.

You seem to know an awful lot about how film studios and movie makers earn and disperse their money. Do you know of their greed as fact or were you just emotional and shooting from the hip? Much like someone else's "99%+ of all terrorists are Muslim" garbage I read a couple days on here and throughly debunked with statistics and facts. Please educate me on the nuances of it all.

PC or no PC, telling me what I should and should not watch based on one's opinion and simple heresay will get replied to. Sorry.

aaharvel

On "United 93":

"A portion of box office revenues from United 93, about the airplane hijacked during the Sept. 11 attacks, will go towards a national memorial in Washington, D.C." Families of Flight 93 announced Thursday Universal Pictures will donate 10 per cent of the gross from the first three days to the memorial."

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/03/31/flight93-movie.html



On "World Trade Center":

"The studio says it is developing plans to share proceeds of the film with charities benefiting those affected by 9-11."

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,16907,00.html

MrNightly

aaharvel wrote:

Going by that train of thought nobody should've watched Spielberg's Schlinders List or Mel Gibson's Passion Of The Christ either.

You seem to know an awful lot about how film studios and movie makers earn and disperse their money. Do you know of their greed as fact or were you just emotional and shooting from the hip? Much like someone else's "99%+ of all terrorists are Muslim" garbage I read a couple days on here and throughly debunked with statistics and facts. Please educate me on the nuances of it all.

PC or no PC, telling me what I should and should not watch based on one's opinion and simple heresay will get replied to. Sorry.

Just a couple points about your statements... first, Passion of the Christ happened 2000 years ago, and has more historical artifacts than ANY documented event in the history of the world. True, no one can "Prove" anything that happened 2000 years ago, but the evidence if overwhelming that what is recorded today, is exactly what was recorded 2000 years ago. Therefore, to lump the Passion of the Christ into the same category as these new movies revolving around 9/11 is just silly. Not even on the same playing field.

Regarding Schlinders List, I don't have much experience through research to know if it is accurate or not to what really happened. But again, it wasn't put out 5 years later as these WTC and Flight 93 are, which are donating a VERY small portion (10% IF you are generous) to the cause. Schlinder's List was purely for entertainment, drama with a little history thrown in for good measure.

It seems that these new films, though they could be said noble, are lining more people's pockets than actually anything else.

MacLeod

This will be the same for me as United 93 was. Part of me thinks Hollywood shouldnt be making these movies but then part of me thinks that we should see these movies so that we never forget!

PolkThug

MrNightly wrote:

Schlinder's List was purely for entertainment, drama with a little history thrown in for good measure.

Have you seen it? Its the true story of Oskar Schindler, he save over 1000 Polish Jews from death.

aaharvel

MrNightly wrote:

But again, it wasn't put out 5 years later as these WTC and Flight 93 are, which are donating a VERY small portion (10% IF you are generous) to the cause. Schlinder's List was purely for entertainment, drama with a little history thrown in for good measure.

The family members of the victims think that 10% is a kind jesture. As an outsider, that should be enough for you. But if it isn't and you truly believe it to be a VERY small portion, then I suggest you take 10% of your earnings and donate them to the United 93 memorial. And btw that last line is just plain ignorant.

MrNightly wrote:

It seems that these new films, though they could be said noble, are lining more people's pockets than actually anything else.

"It seems..." As in hearsay. :rolleyes:



Lastly, regarding Passion Of The Christ, believe anything you want. That's not up for debate. But clearly to those who have read even an inkling of King James, Gibson etch-e-sketched some scenes in Passion for the purpose of dramatization in order to serve a larger purpose of honoring what the commonly viewed perspective of history is. And you know something? There's nothing wrong with that.

shack

I don't need to see the movie "The World Trade Center". I saw it happen live in real time. I saw the 2nd plane fly into the building. I saw people jump to their death. I saw the buildings collapse. I saw the anguish in the faces of people who lost loved ones. Can someone explain why I need to see a movie about a tragedy I watched intently and in utter horror as it unfolded. Did I miss something? I don't need to see Hollywood's version of this event to clear it up. I know what happened.

aaharvel

PolkThug wrote:

Have you seen it? Its the true story of Oskar Schindler, he save over 1000 Polish Jews from death.

1200+

the vast majority were women and children.

PolkThug

Yeah, still too fresh in my mind. I had that day off work and was up very early in the morning purchasing hockey tickets when it started. After I got back to my girlfriend's apartment, the second plane hit as I was watching the news. A rental at best for me, I could barely keep a dry eye at the 9/11 travelling exhibit.

Holydoc

shack wrote:

I don't need to see the movie "The World Trade Center". I saw it happen live in real time. I saw the 2nd plane fly into the building. I saw people jump to their death. I saw the buildings collapse. I saw the anguish in the faces of people who lost loved ones. Can someone explain why I need to see a movie about a tragedy I watched intently and in utter horror as it unfolded. Did I miss something? I don't need to see Hollywood's version of this event to clear it up. I know what happened.

Shack, this movie is not for you.

However the simple truth is that humans are a race of amnesiacs. If we do not experience it personally, or write it down, or view it over and over, we have a tendency to forget it. I think our country and our people need these kind of movies to remind us that danger and evil is not just something in the mind of fiction writers. These shows (documentaries) remind us that evil is alive and can come and snatch yours or your love ones life away in a blink of an eye.

Maybe it helps us to remember the dead and mourn their senseless passing. Maybe it reminds us not to be complacent and let down our guard. Or maybe it just reminds us that life can be very short, and we should celebrate it while we are still here to do it.

Some of these movies are not for everyone. But those of us who need to ensure that we, our family, and our friends do not forget will take the time to sit in this movie. Maybe it will disturb some. Make others cry. But it will make everyone remember.

MrNightly

PolkThug wrote:

Have you seen it? Its the true story of Oskar Schindler, he save over 1000 Polish Jews from death.

Actually I have seen it. And I can say that while moving, and generally a true story, who can say exactly that is what happened? I'm simply saying, that there is hollywood all over it.

MrNightly

aaharvel wrote:

The family members of the victims think that 10% is a kind jesture. As an outsider, that should be enough for you. But if it isn't and you truly believe it to be a VERY small portion, then I suggest you take 10% of your earnings and donate them to the United 93 memorial. And btw that last line is just plain ignorant.

You asked the family members? If you want to get all uppity and picky, and act like you know everything, where are you getting YOUR info? The Media? Please. And I do happen to know what 10% is like to give away. I do it every week. So before you start making judgments on what should or shouldn't be enough for me, get your facts straight. And 10% isn't enough for me regarding these films. They will make MILLIONS of dollars, and a mere 10% goes to the families? If their purpose was to refresh in our minds the evens of 9/11, making money shouldn't be the top of their list. Although I don't have an exact % that I believe is fair, I know it would be a lot more than 10%.

aaharvel wrote:

"It seems..." As in hearsay. :rolleyes:

No, "It seems" as in my view of things. :rolleyes:

aaharvel wrote:

Lastly, regarding Passion Of The Christ, believe anything you want. That's not up for debate. But clearly to those who have read even an inkling of King James, Gibson etch-e-sketched some scenes in Passion for the purpose of dramatization in order to serve a larger purpose of honoring what the commonly viewed perspective of history is. And you know something? There's nothing wrong with that.

Agreed.

bobman1235

MrNightly wrote:

Actually I have seen it. And I can say that while moving, and generally a true story, who can say exactly that is what happened? I'm simply saying, that there is hollywood all over it.

Considering it only happened like, 60 some years ago, plenty of people can say what happened. This isn't ancient history.

And for those of you who think the King James Bible is an accurate representation of the life and times of Christ.... well, you're crazy. There's been shown to be like, 20,000+ inaccuracies in the translations from the original stuff. I'm not bashing the religion, just the current representation of the book as a historically accurate.... thing.

PolkThug

Although religious mythologies are tun topics, lets get back to WTC.

I'd like to see a roller coaster ride up the side of the new WTC, something like the new one they built in Jersey, I think that would be a good middle finger back to the terrorists.

Strong Bad

One of the eerie things that sticks in my mind about 9/11 is the day after. Going outside and not seeing or hearing a plane in the sky was strange. I'm about 20 minutes from BWI Airport (a major airport), so it's common place for me to see jets all the time flying over, although still flying a bit high.

I also remember listening to the news all morning 9/11 on the radio and seeing the images on TV. Not something I need to see again to remind me of what went on.

Just like United 93, i doubt i'll see it in the theater. This is something i might view at home. If WTC is too Hollywood, I'll pass entirely.


John

schwarcw

aaharvel wrote:

You seem to know an awful lot about how film studios and movie makers earn and disperse their money. Do you know of their greed as fact or were you just emotional and shooting from the hip? Much like someone else's "99%+ of all terrorists are Muslim" garbage I read a couple days on here and throughly debunked with statistics and facts. Please educate me on the nuances of it all.

PC or no PC, telling me what I should and should not watch based on one's opinion and simple heresy will get replied to. Sorry.

Andrew,

Am I shooting from the hip? To some degree, yes. Do you think the investors and studios who put the upfront money into this film did it to capture a moment in history or did this movie as a documentary to mankind? I don't think so. This movie was produced to make money. The money offered by the studios for the "victims or to the memorial foundations" was probably less than what they spent to promote the film. The actors, directors, etc., let's face it they did it for the money. As far as the lifestyles of the rich and famous? There's too much documentation around to support my point. They even make TV shows about the houses they live in and the cars they drive. And oh yeah, they get paid to do those shows.

My simple point is that these were films made to make money at the expense of a genuine human tragedy. The people who are making the money already have more than they need. Ignore these films.

Carl

tommyboy

schwarcw wrote:

Andrew,

My simple point is that these were films made to make money at the expense of a genuine human tragedy. The people who are making the money already have more than they need. Ignore these films.

Carl

exactly.

but what can be better than a **** load of money, more **** loads of money:) Even if that money comes from taking advantages of the deaths of thousands of people when we watched exactly what happened five years ago. There is no need to see this movie.

Ron-P

My simple point is that these were films made to make money at the expense of a genuine human tragedy. The people who are making the money already have more than they need. Ignore these films.

Have you watched; Titanic, Saving Private Ryan, Pearl Harbor...etc. This film is no different then those or others like them. Hundreds of Hollywood films are based on true to life human tragedy.

PolkThug

Ron-P wrote:

Have you watched; Titanic, Saving Private Ryan, Pearl Harbor...etc. This film is no different then those or others like them. Hundreds of Hollywood films are based on true to life human tragedy.

oh snap! Add Full Metal Jacket and Platoon and any horror flick based on Ed Gein.