Teacher Arrested for Sexy Video

Polk65

Zero wrote:

I hate to break it to you CFrizz - but there is a significant difference between molesting (unwanted sexual interaction) and sex (desired sexual interaction). Damn near every guy here would love to be with a woman that looks like that... whether at current age or when things were just 'sprouting'.... we understand that.

Its very simple, we see hot girl, hope she likes us, she likes us, wants to have sex! Woot!!!

Theres a big difference between your priest or a random man asking you to come spend some private time with him only to find all he is interested in is your privates...(odds are, you wont share the same interest/desires with him as he has with you).

You have to realize that having sex with their teacher is the #1 or #2 fantasy on the majority of teenage boy's minds. Classmates that blossom early is the other. Being taken advantage of by a priest is not.

As for laws, the only ones I can remember thinking of at the age of 14 were, when can I drive, drink, and vote.

thehaens@cox.net

cfrizz wrote:

If you could dig your brains out of your crotches you would admit that she is a pedophile & molesting children!

Seems a little harsh, but I do understand your view on this. It wasn't any different than my wifes. With that said, and by looking at this thread. You have to realize that men, and women think very differently on this subject. The boy was 14, I do remember when I was 14, and I can say that without a doubt, that although I didn't know everything. One of the things that I can say for absolute certain is that I was aware of my sexuality, and the desire of wanting to have some sex w/ a woman older than me. It is just a fact that it is one of the fantasys young men (I use this term loosely, think of it post-pubescent) have. I can recall wanting Lindsey Wagner or Cheryl Tiegs (I am 34).

cfrizz wrote:

You all know that if it was a man doing it you all would be up in arms ready to kill him!

Yes, you make the second point my wife did. And yes, this double standard exists in my household. I have a 9 year old son. And when asked what I would do if it were him when he turns 14. My answer was. "I would ask him if he used a condom, and how it was" If I had a 14 year old daughter? "This guy would get a visit from me in a quick hurry. Let me ask you, or any other woman on this forum. "When you were 14, did you think of being with an older man?" I would gather not!!! But you ask any 14 year old boy, and I bet the overwhelming majorit would say YES....and willingly. It wouldn't take much for an attractive teacher like her to coerce a young man to have sex with her.

cfrizz wrote:

This is no different just cause she is a woman.

The difference lies between who is asked the question. She most def. should be punished for what she did. Could this be a case of the crime being getting caught?

thehaens@cox.net

Zero wrote:

when a girl is taken advantage of the consequences can be pretty damned severe! With a boy that was willing/able, they get over it fairly quickly because they got what they wanted out of the situation. Thats the way the ball bounces.

You hit another interesting point. It seems that when a young woman is in this situation, she is going to need years of therapy and will "never" be the same again. The young man? no need to talk to a therapist. He'll gladly talk about it amongst his friends for the rest of his life......

Scott

TroyD

Look, locker room humor aside.....

I REALLY hope that you guys see that there IS something wrong there. There are a whole HOST of issues that come along with that particular scenario that a 14 year old kid just ain't prepared to deal with.

So Sean, when your daughter is 14, you going to be ok with her knocking boots with her phys ed teacher?? I sure as hell hope not. Having knowledge and capability and willingness to have sex are not the same as being mature enough to deal with it and all the associated baggage.


BDT

Demiurge

It's not really a double standard to say that a 14 year old girl having sex with an adult male is different than a 14 year old boy having sex with an adult female. Men and women are different! :eek:

Both are wrong. The damaging effects on a female as opposed to the male are worlds apart. Men and women are different, but in the interest of the equality police we need to pretend that they're not.

The woman should be in jail for rape, but please don't try to sell us on some b.s. psychological issues that will scar this young man for life. The only person with problems in this scenario is the teacher. The kid for all intents and purposes probably considers himself lucky.

In so saying -- it doesn't make it right, welcome, or encouraged. I can't think of a sane parent that would be happy this happened to their kid, male or female.

Dennis Gardner

thehaens@cox.ne wrote:

You hit another interesting point. It seems that when a young woman is in this situation, she is going to need years of therapy and will "never" be the same again. The young man? no need to talk to a therapist. He'll gladly talk about it amongst his friends for the rest of his life......

Scott

For 14 year old boys, this would be considered therapy...............to get rid of the anxiety of "when will be my first time, what am I to do with these giant new found urges, who will it be with, what will it be like?" At 14, the self centered mind of the young boy will never wonder whether she will still like him, only will she like him enough to do it again with him?

Old fashioned or not, "protect your women both young and old", and "boys will be boys" are still true to this day. He wasn't assaulted, he was more than likely satisfied.

As Chris Rock would put it....It ain't right, but I understand.

As for the legal aspect of something like this...it is simply what equal rights for women has brought into our civilized society. They must be punished the same.

The sad irony is that our legal system can't make up their mind....If he would have killed her, he would be treated as an adult, but if he has sex with her, he is treated as a child. How f*cked up is that?

Where is our understanding of the nature of human beings?


Flame away, I have 4 boys and a girl and there is definatley a difference.

PhantomOG

Say what you want but everyone making comments to the effect of "he's a boy, he wanted it, it's ok" is a bunch of crap talk spoken from guys who are thinking with the mind of a 20+ year old and not thinking of what's best for a child. Its makes for good forum fodder but that's all it is.

He's 14. Yes, he is a child. Go on and on about how macho you are but I bet at least half the guys on this forum went half crazy when their first "serious" relationship ended. There is NO WAY in hell an adult should get themselves into a situation like this with a 14 year old, girl or boy.

Its a double standard because MEN fantasize about the situation, not because BOYS do. I'm sure there are *plenty* of cases of young girls with crushes on teachers, who might even WANT to have sex with their teacher. The desires of the child make no difference, its still wrong. I bet 99% of 14 year olds WANT access to drugs, alcohol, and the ability to drive... does that mean we should let them?

Maurice

cfrizz wrote:

I know many teens especially boys would welcome such a thing since the majority in this thread have shown that no matter what your age you let what hangs between your legs do your thinking for you!


Cfrizz, I hear what your saying, but there is something that women will never understand, a **** has no conscience. Men do, but our members dont. No offense, but you would have to have one to understand.;) All bs aside, the chick needs to be locked up.

TroyD

Zero wrote:

Troy,



Bingo. Hence the laws, statures, and uproar. Instead of just repeating what everyone else says, I am honing in on something people dont like/want to recognize; some kids are ready and mature enough to handle the situation. If you honestly believe there aren't 14 yr olds out there incapable of handling 'baggage'... you may be in for a rude awakening.

As for the hypothetical scenario you propose; Of course not, and in my above posts I've more-less enforced my reasons why so I wont repeat myself.

Let's just say that I hope I will have done a good enough job as a parent to re-enforce some serious values and morals and maybe a bit of fear to discourage my kid (boy or girl) from making such choices.

What if your daughter is super-mature? I mean, it's pretty well established that women mature faster than boys, right? So, what's wrong with me talking your daughter to her 8th grade prom?

Here's another point that you are missing, this woman is a TEACHER. Authority figure. What kid is 'prepared' enough to cope with that whole scenario? Do you think all those boys who were abused by priests through thier teens were all homosexual? Don't you think it might be tough to say 'no' to someone like that and all the pressure they can bring to bare via thier position? It's SICK. It's predatorial. If this chick needs to get her rocks off, there are PLENTY of guys her age.

I AM saying that a 14 year old does NOT have the sort of maturity to deal with that situation appropriately. If you are going to offer yourself up as an example, don't bother.

Troy

wingnut4772

Just because a 14 yr old may want it does not mean it's not wrong. Adults are supposed to know better and we trust teachers with our kids. It's just wrong.

thehaens@cox.net

PhantomOG wrote:

Say what you want but everyone making comments to the effect of "he's a boy, he wanted it, it's ok" is a bunch of crap talk spoken from guys who are thinking with the mind of a 20+ year old and not thinking of what's best for a child. Its makes for good forum fodder but that's all it is.

Everyone has their own recollection of their state of mind when they were 14. I remember it very well. It was the year of my parents divorce. I received my drivers license (Alaska), I was caring for my younger sister and brother while my father was away working. I knew the difference between right and wrong. Do you really think that this young man didn't have a choice in this manner? Do you really think that this woman forced him to have sex with her?

PhantomOG wrote:

He's 14. Yes, he is a child. Go on and on about how macho you are but I bet at least half the guys on this forum went half crazy when their first "serious" relationship ended.

I have to disagree...when does a person get out of childhood? Is it 18? Our agreed upon "legal" age? Well take this into consideration. Before I stepped foot in Australia, one thing that was told to us was that the "legal" age was 16.

PhantomOG wrote:

There is NO WAY in hell an adult should get themselves into a situation like this with a 14 year old, girl or boy.

For the sake of not arguing about the age of adults, I agree that this 24(?) year old teacher should of never got involved with a 14 year old.

Demiurge

For the sake of not arguing about the age of adults, I agree that this 24(?) year old teacher should of never got involved with a 14 year old.

I agree, and that's the whole point here that some are missing.

For those who disagree, forgive me if I missed it, but I don't think anyone said that what she did was right. I think the argument people are making are the differences between a 14 year old boy and a 14 year old girl. Everyone wants to just throw that out the window when talking about the ramifications of what happened.

She still raped the kid based on the letter of the law, and she did what no teacher or adult, male or female should have ever done.

Interestingly enough -- this woman should be charged the same as a man would. Just because I think the damage done to a young man is different than to a young woman doesn't mean we should encourage the behavior. We all know that fantasies and acting on them are two different things.

If anything annoys me it's that when women commit these crimes it's cute and okay then they get a slap on the wrist by the legal system. I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

PhantomOG

Demiurge wrote:

I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

I really do believe alot of guys are underestimating the affect a relationship like this has on a 14 year old male. Are there 14 year old boys who would be perfectly fine? Without a doubt. But I think it is a terrible generalization to extend to all 14 year old boys, with implications more far reaching than people are willing to admit.

Just look at that LeTournou (sp?) kid who just got married last year.... With him and his mom trying to sell the baby pictures to the highest paying bidder. YEAH, he's turning out to be a real winner in life.

danger boy

Cathy is right. Yes most all 14 yr old boys would welcome a teacher who was taking an interest in them like this teacher did. It would be huge bragging rights for him.. but it's still wrong.

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/pedophilia/mary-kay-letourneau/
although this link I posted is a long read.. it clearly points out that women can be pedophiles just like men can be. Sex or sexually explicit items are against the law with a minor, plain and simple. No matter how hot the teacher is.

Please take the time to read the link i posted.. it might change you mind on the subject.. and how it's wrong.

thehaens@cox.net

Demiurge wrote:

Interestingly enough -- this woman should be charged the same as a man would. Just because I think the damage done to a young man is different than to a young woman doesn't mean we should encourage the behavior. We all know that fantasies and acting on them are two different things.

If anything annoys me it's that when women commit these crimes it's cute and okay then they get a slap on the wrist by the legal system. I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

Is there any precedence on this? I did a search through legal websites looking for any cases where a female "rapist" (used this term in the search) has received a large sentence. I guess in the Letourneau case, seven years served could be considered to some large. But that was only because she went in for round II, her first term was only 6 months. Familiarities exist in both these women. They couldn't stay away from the "victim"

PhantomOG

thehaens@cox.ne wrote:

Do you really think that this young man didn't have a choice in this manner? Do you really think that this woman forced him to have sex with her?

Nice... he had a *choice* so its his fault. How about we setup cigarette and beer vending machines in middle and high school hallways. Hell, let's put the local neighborhood drug pusher in the hallways as well. The kids have the *choice* not to use these things right? So it is still a responsible thing to do, right???

She was a teacher, a position of authority over this child. Just because you think you were mature enough at age 14 to bone your teachers doesn't mean everyone at that age should have that *choice* forced upon them.

thehaens@cox.net

You are taking it out of context. I am not in any way saying that it is his fault at all. Quite the contrary actually. And I also didn't say that I was old enough to bone my teachers. What I said is that I knew my surroundings and what was going on in my life. Was more in tune with things. For all I know this kid could be "lost in the sauce" I was merely pointing things out for the sake of debate..........look at my post. There was questions asked........not statements made...

cfrizz

Look guys I understand what hormones do. I have a perfectly healthy set of them myself.

I had a HUGE crush on one of my HS teachers & thought he was the be all to end all. (So did every other girl in the school) One yr my dad couldn't take me to the father daughter dinner dance I asked him to escort me. I was #10 on the list!

Mr. Kellett could have had his choice of every young girl on campus, most likely me too. Fortunately HE was wise enough to know that it was wrong.

I'm not blaming the boy for having hormonal urges, but I can possibly see him having problems in the future.

I know you all think it's no big deal & macholy cool, but who is to say that he won't grow up to do the same sort of thing to other young people? Or be abusive, or any number of things.

This was about a sick woman abusing her power.

Rape & abuse is about power not sex! It's because they have either the physical strength and or the mental manipulitive wherewithal to use it & abuse it.

I've seen enough of you guys come on here devasted over an ended relationship, so you will never convince me that this won't somehow come back to haunt this boy.

BIZILL

and with all this said, time to watch the video, yet again!....

PhantomOG

Zero wrote:

The only point’s I have consciously brought up was first, distinguishing the difference between molestation / manipulation and consensual sex. Of course even under consensual circumstances, it does not make a situation excusable or acceptable. However, there is a difference and I wanted to make it clear. It’s dangerous to toss around such strong words without fully appreciating the differences.

The case we are discussing here is between a 24 year old and a 14 year old. No one here is talking about under 18's having sex with under 18's. We're not even talking about a 19/17 type relationship which IS grey. A 24 year old ADULT having any kind of sexual contact with somone who is 14 years old is STATUTORY RAPE. End of story. It's dangerous to toss around strong words like "consensual" when discussing cases like this.

Zero wrote:

Do you really and truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet now, and has ever been are so inept? Hard as this may be to digest, there are thousands, if not millions who have had intercourse with an adult at that age and ended up no different than most of us here. They did not turn out to be some crazed and disturbed person, or end up a pedophile.

Do you really truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet is capable of dealing with a situation like this? No? Then what is your point? Are you insinuating that this kid is? Everyone knows its possible he is, what good does it do assuming so? Think about what kind of agenda is served by bringing that up everytime a case like this comes up.

Zero wrote:

What about choice? Is there really *always* a ‘victim’ in these cases? Is it always molestation/rape just because of an age difference?

YES. In this case a resounding yes. Again, this is not a 19/17 year old relationship.

PhantomOG

cfrizz wrote:

I've seen enough of you guys come on here devasted over an ended relationship, so you will never convince me that this won't somehow come back to haunt this boy.

exactly, where is all this sexual machismo bravado/posturing then??

Frank Z

Zero wrote:

Phantom,



Hey McFly - how many times and how many ways must it be said until it becomes clear? The point is _*some*_ ARE capable. Nothing more/nothing less. Sheesh. This is not talking about the agenda of the other party. This isnt talking about legalities. Its not talking about morals. This is about a person being able to cope with a situation.

When you grow up, move out of the basement, get married, have kids of your own...come back and spout the same ****. :rolleyes:

PhantomOG

Zero wrote:

Hey McFly - how many times and how many ways must it be said until it becomes clear? The point is _*some*_ ARE capable. Nothing more/nothing less. Sheesh. This is not talking about the agenda of the other party. This isnt talking about legalities. Its not talking about morals. This is about a person being able to cope with a situation.

Make whatever points you would like. Regardless of whether or not you think there are no consequences, an agenda is served and is clearly evident by the differences in sentencing in cases like this. You say there should be no difference but your attitude is what contributes to the difference in the first place.

cfrizz

This statement is basically telling me that you condone his behavior when what you should be doing is calling the police to report the pedophile & kicking you son's **** for not having the slightest bit of self control!

He is certainly old enough to know better & should have been taught that this is wrong at such a young age.

This is precisely why society is so messed up today. There is supposed to be a major difference between us & lower life animals. It only happens if parents are truly parents & take their kids in hand & teach them the difference between right & wrong, & discipline & self control. Not, do it just don't get caught & don't forget to use a condom!

thehaens@cox.ne wrote:

Yes, you make the second point my wife did. And yes, this double standard exists in my household. I have a 9 year old son. And when asked what I would do if it were him when he turns 14. My answer was. "I would ask him if he used a condom, and how it was"

PolkThug

BIZILL wrote:

and with all this said, time to watch the video, yet again!....

I keep thinking...

"So here's to you, Mrs. Robinson"

cfrizz

BINGO!

PhantomOG wrote:

Make whatever points you would like. Regardless of whether or not you think there are no consequences, an agenda is served and is clearly evident by the differences in sentencing in cases like this. You say there should be no difference but your attitude is what contributes to the difference in the first place.

Demiurge

****, we're playing Bingo, where's my card?

Toxis

Here's the way I see it. She might have a nice body and what-not but having sex with a 14 year old is disgusting and wrong on many levels. Now if any guy was his age and had her offering things to you, you'd take her up on it as well. Does it make it right in any way? No! Now you can't compare this to what the priests have done to young alter boys because I guarantee at no point did any young alter boy feel good about himself getting touched by an older, nasty, grey haired perverted old man. Getting to do what you do to a 24 year old hottie teacher with a great frame... not the same thing by any means. The only similarity is they're both statitory rape but I see them on different levels. Both wrong and disgusting just on different levels.

BIZILL

i wish i had her at the ripe 'ole age of 14. i'd be just as i am now, but with more bragging rights.

exalted512

cfrizz wrote:

He is certainly old enough to know better & should have been taught that this is wrong at such a young age.

so what youre saying is that it shouldnt be statutory rape because hes old enough to know better?

Isnt that why its not rape when one is above 18, because theyre old enough to know better? So if I'm following what you said correctly, then by your terms, she should not have been charged.
-Cody