Ok Parents, Your Thoughts On This

cfrizz

And then you've got immoral, racist, sexist parents raising their kids to be immoral, racist, sexist kids who just might spread that **** to other kids or they come home confused like Henry's daughter leaving it up to Henry to tell her the truth. But she is still being exposed to that immoral, racist, sexist kid!

If kids learn these shocking lessons at school, they just might come home & tell their parents that THEY are wrong & decide to think a whole lot differently & be better than the examples that their immoral, racist, sexist parents are!

MacLeod

People that are going to be racist **** are going to be that way regardless how many well intentioned programs you have in school. Some people are just born **** and grow bigger, its a fact of life.

Im not doubting the intentions of this program nor am I saying kids shouldnt learn about the holocaust or slavery, its the principle of the whole thing and not necessarily this specific instance. The public schools morals and values are usually not mine and I wouldnt want them preaching them to my kids. Thats my job. Just teach them how to read and right and thats all I want out of a public school!

Demiurge

Right, don't be a Christian White Male.

cfrizz

History is an important part of an education & that's what they were teaching albiet in an unorthodox manner.

I talked with people at work who didn't know who fought in the Revolutionary War!

It would be real interesting now to look at a history book to see what it has to say about the Vietnam War. We were in the middle of it when I was in school so naturally it wasn't talked about.

I had an Uncle who was over there at the time, but he had also served in WW2 & Korea, at that age I thought they were all one in the same.

It wasn't until a few years later that I figured out they were 3 different wars!

God it's hard being a kid no matter what generation you are.

MacLeod

I agree with you 100% Cathy. We should definitely be tecahing history and never letting kids forget the attrocities that happened thruout human history!

Demiurge

History, not revisionist history and moral relavatism.

aaharvel

That's the kind of **** that should've been on Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Valuable lessons that prepare someone for real life, not some damn Choo-Choo named Charley. Maybe if the public schools went this route in 1929 things would've been different. Sure they f'd up the execution a bit but so what? You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

MacLeod

Ah bull! Schools have always taught this stuff. It hasnt been until recently that kids are forgetting it. And Mr Rogers isnt about preparing kids for the hardships of racism, its about keeping them entertained enough to teach how to spell something.

aaharvel

MacLeod wrote:

Mr Rogers isnt about preparing kids for the hardships of racism, its about keeping them entertained enough to teach how to spell something.

a shame. He coulda been so much more.

brettw22

Good for the school........someone **** on the parents that are old enough and STILL don't get it.

audiobliss

cfrizz wrote:

And then you've got immoral, racist, sexist parents raising their kids to be immoral, racist, sexist kids

And so you'd prefer a Greek Sparta method of education/training where the government takes your kids away from you at an early age and brainwashes them the way they see fit? Whether the kids are physically taken away from the parents like in ancient Sparta or not, if you leave your child's education to someone else, your child has been taken away from you.

cfrizz

No I wish that it was impossible for immoral, racist, sexist people to even have kids. If that could happen then the world would be a better place.

These attitudes persist because they are passed from one generation to the next.

Parents are the most important influence that children have, and if they are bad parents, then the kids will more than likely follow in their footsteps as well. Then they will continue raising their kids in the same manner.

My parents could have easily raised us to be hateful against white people for injustices done a couple hundred years ago & we would have in turn done the same to any children we had. I know because I have cousins who are so racist that I want nothing to do with them.

Fortunately they didn't see the need or the usefulness of doing something so limiting. They raised us to treat everyone as the individuals that they are & judge them by their actions & not the color of their skin, or religion or sexual preference or anything else!

We are all human & we all have to live on this planet together. It would be very nice if we could all just get along without anyone thinking that they are superior to everyone else.

reeltrouble1

School has been many a child's first exposure to social training outside the home for a long, long, long, time, stick your head in the sand if you want, say it isn't or should'nt be so, but its a fact. You cannot effectively legislate races to get along. It has to come from within. Who really wants this to occur? Well this Principle for one, but he will likely suffer the beat down for making waves and nobody will try that crap again. Who does not want races/classes/cultures to get along? Why?

Bliss--Sorry, but I just dont see anything wrong about a school teaching children. I surely wish someone would take these adult children of mine who have a booomerang tied to their ****, they go out in the world and keep coming back. Oh yea, they went to public schools, taken away? Sorry but its not true. Had to learn to get along, yes, that happened. Brainwashing, there may be some, going on you might want to dwell on that statement of yours a bit by yourself. You will never take my child from me? Huh? Someone needs to make the ultimate sacrifice and let go, now that is love.

I truely believe the manipulation of American people through the concept of some altruistic individualism is complete. Fragmented grouping of individuals frantically waving their arms over little things, while the really big stuff just slides by and those at the top smile and stir the confusion with disinformation and spin. Remember, they have innate interest in maintaining the status quo. Fight on folks we are all playing their game just on different rungs of the ladder.

If one day we all got off, man that would be something.

RT1-Always a Yankee but now A Rebel with a Cause.

TroyD

If parents would do thier jobs and PARENT than the schools job of EDUCATING would be so much easier.

BDT

Demiurge

Bliss--Sorry, but I just dont see anything wrong about a school teaching children. I surely wish someone would take these adult children of mine who have a booomerang tied to their ****, they go out in the world and keep coming back

You realize that these same **** ups are products of public education? These dimwits don't even know how to locate every U.S. state on a map. There's something seriously wrong with that, but hey...they know how to put a rubber on their ding dong at the ripe old age of 10.

George Grand

I would like to have been coddled. Perhaps even "Mollycoddled" if Molly was anything to look at. Or had nice legs.

reeltrouble1

Demiurge wrote:

You realize that these same **** ups are products of public education? These dimwits don't even know how to locate every U.S. state on a map. There's something seriously wrong with that, but hey...they know how to put a rubber on their ding dong at the ripe old age of 10.

You did not really mean to call my kids F-ups, you are forgiven, hopefully, redemption will follow.

RT1

mldennison

i think it was a great idea and i think they should do it again next year!

it is probably the only thing that the kids will really remember about the entire year a few years from now. i know i dont remember anything about 8th grade but i am pretty sure i would remember that!

Demiurge

reeltrouble1 wrote:

You did not really mean to call my kids F-ups, you are forgiven, hopefully, redemption will follow.

RT1

No, you're right, I didn't mean to. I read that wrong. My mistake, sorry. Blame it on my public education.

Anyhow, I do stand by the point I was making. Having good parents can make the PE experience a decent one, but what they're teaching kids these days is a joke. They place emphasis on what doesn't matter, and spend very little time on what does.

Economics is often a 1 semester long class in most High Schools. Having a clue about money and making smart decisions with it would do a lot to curb the ignorance about the world in general, namely how things work.

Everything now is about FEELINGS. No winners or losers anymore, everyone gets a star. It isn't healthy. When you go into the world thinking you're the BIG WINNER....you might be in for one hell of a reality check when the world doesn't play as nice as the teachers did.

On the flip side I am not in favor of home schooling either. Kids need some social interaction, and to deal with people they don't like.

reeltrouble1

I remember Angie what her last name!! Its when I found out girls were soft and nice to hold. Of course I suppose that happens now in what? third grade or something.

RT1

riglehart

It's pathetic parents like this (and their kids) that are the catalyst of the education crisis we are heading into. It's scary to think that this little crybaby is going to inherit our problems in the future and be expected to deal with it.

Schools and teachers don't know weather to **** or go blind anymore. Trying to be all things to all people eventually puts you in a position of being nothing at all. Pandering to parents like this is a mistake. If this guy want's his kids to live in a fantasy world where nobody ever gets their feelings hurt, he should keep them at home in a padded room.

I don't think this was an example of social engineering. That involves making people act a certain way in the future. This was a wake up call to the past.

Our society is turning into a bunch of wimps who don't have any idea what it's like out there in the rest of the world.

markmarc

As a parochial middle school social studies teacher (and parent) I finally decided to weigh in on this issue. First, in order for teachers to compete against cable tv, IMing, iPods, video games, the teacher must do things to engage students actively. Reading textbooks and answering the questions only works for one of the eight known learning styles. This teacher had the right idea, however, parents should have been told that their child was going to be involved in multi-day day simulation involving prejudice, where each child would experience the different roles.

Blaming the schools for the ills of our society as a few have in here is foolish at best. Since I was a kid in the 60-70's whereby if you got in trouble at school you feared going home because that was where the real punishment happened; to today, where even in pvt. schools where some parents don't want to accept that parenting means not being your child's friend.

It used to be that kids who couldn't handle the classroom went to shop class or dropped out and got a job in a factory. Not anymore, budget cuts have destroyed industrial arts program, with any remaining money going to pay for a japanese language teacher. Which makes next to no sense since 30-35% of high school graduates end up in a fine vocational career. Whereas, .3% use japanese. So, those students are virtually forceds to stay in ever-increasing classrooms, making for less quality instruction time.

The teachers union leaders end up fighting the wrong issue, further alienating the rank and file members. Instead, they should offer a two year plan to improve the instructional quality of mediocre teachers by having a mentor teacher work with them. If, at the end of the year the mentor sees no improvement the teacher is fired. If improvement is noted, a second year of mentoring is given. At the end of the second year a re-evaluation occurs. This has been done in a number of districts across the country.

I have all sorts of other ideas, but this is my spring break and the yard is in need of some serious attention.

reeltrouble1

Dont fret Marcmarc, if the little darlings dont get it, they just might get to meet someone like me down the road. Lucky Lucky them.

RT1

Demiurge

schools where some parents don't want to accept that parenting means not being your child's friend.

...and there is the most important part.

irishaz

+1

I couldn't agree more. Since when are parents supposed to be their child's "friends"? I love my kids with all of my heart, but they are certainly not my friends. I have a duty to raise responsible future polkies and that doesn't include making little friends out of them.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Touchy-feely parents not wanting to offend or injure the self confidence of their precious little ones are raising kids that can expect one thing - a very rude awakening. What is going to happen to all of these "loved" friends when responsibility and "the real world" comes knocking. Soil themselves? More than likely they will fall back on their friends...I mean parents.

Unless the school is doing something to injure or otherwise corrupt a child, parents need to shut the heck up and let the teachers do their job.