Rotel or Parasound for my LSi9's?
cstpeter
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A local store has two used amps that I'm interested in: a Rotel RB991 THX (200x2, $500) and a Parasound HCA2003 (200x3, $800). Any thoughts or recommendations between the two? Can anyone explain the respective company's sound characteristics?
I am thinking the extra channel on the Parasound would be nice for down the road when I get a LSiC, but I'm actually more concerned with good two-channel sound. Is one amp more musical than the other?
I'm not sure I will be able to audition both at home, so I would appreciate your thoughts.
By the way, I will be using a Denon 3806 as a pre/pro and a Martin Logan Dynamo for the bottom end, if that makes a difference.
Thanks.
I am thinking the extra channel on the Parasound would be nice for down the road when I get a LSiC, but I'm actually more concerned with good two-channel sound. Is one amp more musical than the other?
I'm not sure I will be able to audition both at home, so I would appreciate your thoughts.
By the way, I will be using a Denon 3806 as a pre/pro and a Martin Logan Dynamo for the bottom end, if that makes a difference.
Thanks.
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How are they rated into 4 ohms?
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Both are 300 watts at 4 ohms.Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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They are both good choices....Parasound.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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agreed with Doro, both great choices, but parasound gets my vote, especially with the LSi...
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Any particular reason the Parasound gets the slight edge?Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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Parasound built a very good reputation with these older models.
If it were more current models being compared, then it would be a toss-up.Gear: Rotel RC 1082, Rotel RSP 1068 pre/pro, Rotel RMB1077 amp, Cayin CDT 15a CD player, S301 bluray.
Speakers: Tannoy DC sensys speakers, Paradigm Servo15 Sub, Velo Spl-1500r
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Hi Cstpeter. I have had amps by both companies. Both are top rate companies. Everyone is telling you to get the Parasound because it has 3 channels! So you can run your 3 front channels & let the Denon handle the back!Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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Thanks everybody. I talked to the shop and they will let me audition the Parasound.
Cfrizz, it looks like you have similar stuff (Denon 3802 and Parasound amp). They make a good pair? Big difference between the Denon's amps and the Parasound?Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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HUGE difference. And I'm not even running 4ohm speakers! The Denon & Parasound make one sweet combo! Get it, you won't be disappointed!Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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Having owned both of them, the Parasound will have better sound quality than the Rotel, IMO.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
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Early B. wrote:Having owned both of them, the Parasound will have better sound quality than the Rotel, IMO.Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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Man, I'm excited. I'm gonna take it home tomorrow and will report back.
Thanks again everybody.Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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Very happy with our Parasound amp.and other equipment...Good build quality and stellar sound,should drive your LSi's and never break a sweat...
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I don't like parasound. I find there stuff to be on the bright side. Maybe a good choice for Lsi's but where terrible on the B&W N803 I listened to.
Rotel makes solid good affordable products. I think Rotel and Lsi go together very well. I felt the sound quality to be very good. If your runing a Denon reveiver now, your in for a treat.
Good luck. I suggest you bring your speakers to the store and hear them both there. Then choose the right one.
DanDan
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Well I'll give Parasound a vote, using Parasound / Halo with Onkyo AVR. The Parasounds / Halo power my Rti150's nicely.
Speakers
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mantis wrote:I don't like parasound. I find there stuff to be on the bright side.mantis wrote:I suggest you bring your speakers to the store and hear them both there. Then choose the right one.
DanAudio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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Perhaps you could mention which parasound model was too bright. Some early models did go through revisions to fix some issues.
Gear: Rotel RC 1082, Rotel RSP 1068 pre/pro, Rotel RMB1077 amp, Cayin CDT 15a CD player, S301 bluray.
Speakers: Tannoy DC sensys speakers, Paradigm Servo15 Sub, Velo Spl-1500r
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My PSound is anything BUT bright. I'd say it's neutral with a slight list to the warm side.:) As a matter of fact...it along with the tubed pre has gotten rid of most of what people complain about with the SL2000 tweeters in my SRS 2s. I'll still be getting the silks sometime in the future, but until then......"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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Naaaahhh...I Vote for Rotel. Good affordable products, great sound quality, very good reputation....I LIKE IT !!!My current new system (step by step )
A/V Receiver: YAMAHA RX-V657
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*Seby*-Polk- wrote:Naaaahhh...I Vote for Rotel. Good affordable products, great sound quality, very good reputation....I LIKE IT !!!
:rolleyes: Do you have ANY personal experience with either brand or are you just going by what you've heard of??? No offense intended, SEBY.
It's just that you seem to comment or give opinions without experience sometimes."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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You nailed it Noel, it's what Seby always does!:rolleyes:
Both companies have outstanding reputations & outstanding products. Cstpeter can't lose no matter which amp he picks.
But as I stated before, the biggest advantage to the Parasound is that he will have 3 channels instead of just 2.
If I had known what a difference having separate amplification was going to make when I got my Parasound, I would have saved up & purchased a 5 channel amp instead & been done with it!ND13 wrote::rolleyes: Do you have ANY personal experience with either brand or are you just going by what you've heard of??? No offense intended, SEBY.
It's just that you seem to comment or give opinions without experience sometimes.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
Don't get me wrong, I like Seby and he probably has limited experience due to where he lives. I'm assuming here, but I doubt that there are outlets for him to go to so he can demo a lot of the brands that we can."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
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Both are fine amps, pick whichever gives you better wood.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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Ok, cstpeter, I can't stand the suspense...whadya think?!George Grand wrote: »
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ND13 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I like Seby and he probably has limited experience due to where he lives. I'm assuming here, but I doubt that there are outlets for him to go to so he can demo a lot of the brands that we can.
Haha..ok. It's true. I don't have an amp (maybe in the future) but i can listen Rotel amps. This brand have more "market" here than Parasound. I tried some models of this amp with Boston Acoustics and Polk RTi speakers and sounds great. I mean OUTSTANDING !!!!
Parasound is more difficult to find (same as HK in comparisson with Yamaha or Denon). That's the reason i'm going to Rotel .... obviously here...for the customer service think. In USA, both brands are "top level", so you can choose only for your ears (and quality).
Bye bye !!!!!!!!My current new system (step by step )
A/V Receiver: YAMAHA RX-V657
DVD Player: YAMAHA DVD-S657
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Again, thanks everybody for input (you too Seby). It's appreciated.
Today's the big day. After work I'm gonna take home one of the two amps to demo--at this point, I'm not sure which one. It may come down to which one is more attractive (as Steveinaz alluded to).
Space/size may be a concern, and the Parasound will be a tight fit. But if it sounds good enough, I'll make it work and/or get a new rack.
This hobby kicks ****.Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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I picked up the Rotel RB-991 over the weekend (as I suspected, the Parasound was too big). It is used but in good condition--looks pretty cool with the other gear. Hooked it up and...WOW. It needs to hit a certain volume, but when it does I note big improvements in all aspects of music: bass, detail, dynamics, soundstage, imaging, etc.
I'm very glad I demoed this amp and will not be returning it. I encourage anyone debating whether they should get an amp (like I was) to consider this: I had my LSi9's bi-amped with a Denon 3806. If you believe the specs (that is another thread altogether), that should be 240 watts of AVR power to each speaker. This setup sounded good and never went into protection mode, but I always felt something was lacking. The Rotel (200 watts) has made a big improvement. Now I can't wait to get another one sometime in the future for even more improvement!
Can't wait to get home and listen to more music. I'm kinda pissed that I have Clap Your Hands Say Yeah tickets tonight--I'd rather just listen to them at home! Oh well.
Thanks again for everyone's help and knowledge.Von Schweikert VR4-jr
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Yeah, shoulda got the Parasound.
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Congrats enjoy!Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2