MMC650 for Frontstage - Your thoughts?

98thumpin

choiuces choices choices. when i first thought about a system i said new speakers an amp and a sub simple, no im thinkin compnents, crossovers, eqs, line drivers , gidgets and gadgets, im thinken two amps one for the speaks and one for the sub.it wild

1996blackmax

That is the way I have my setup, two amps run my whole system.

98thumpin

arc audio is still a bit pricey but my dad says they make great stuff. and i like the way they look, and the fact that they have a partnership with foose says something too. but i barely make 300 dollers a week. and to get an arc amp would take almost to whole paychecks. so gimme somthing arc quality but not the price. and im looking for 1000 watts of power. the subs only want 750 but they peak at 1500. so does 1000 sound about right.?

1996blackmax

Well Polk's amps have gotten nice reviews. Arc Audio's KAR series are less expensive than their XXK line, are solid amps, and are still desinged by Nikola Engineering. In the past I had Kicker amplifiers and I was happy with their stuff. One of their amps, my 4ch. ZX460 lasted me about 8 years. Eclipse also makes good amps. Basically try to get an amp from a reputable company that has the power, and features that you want.

It will be hard to get ARC quality for cheap. I know someone who is selling his used 2500-XXK's for a little over $500 dollars each (http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/amplifiers/xxk_2500.htm). Not sure if he still has them though. There was another guy I knew that was selling his 4150-XXK and two 2500-XXKS but those were gone as of yesterday. I know it is not what you want to pay, but it goes to show you that even at the asking price of over $500 dollars used those things fly. The 2500-XXK will put out over 1,050 watts RMS. You could try out ebay, but you have to be pretty careful there. I would stick to trying to get something with a warranty from an authorized dealer. Hit up your local stores as they may have some stock from the older lines for good prices.


One thing, try to stick around the rating for the subs. I usually go over some, but you have to be careful with how you set your gains.

1996blackmax

Here is an Alpine that will do over 600 watts at 2ohms for $330 bucks. Nice deal I think.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tpGlzp3ecIq/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=120&I=500MRDM605

98thumpin

yeah i looked at it im still keeping options open though.

audiobliss

You're not willing to set aside two paychecks for an Arc Audio amp? That strikes me as odd. I'd have no problems with saving for a month for something of that caliber. My only problem is I'm not making any money right now!

Oh, and I certainly wouldn't think of a 'partnership' with any company like Foose as a good thing.

98thumpin

would the arc audio be worth it? or would it be good to go with a phonix gold amp. i was thinkig the 15.0.1 amp

audiobliss

The Phoenix Gold amp won't disappoint. However, Arc Audio equipment is going to be light years ahead of the PG stuff, sound better, most likely last longer, and just be better investment. If you're making enough money to buy one, I would personally save up for an extra week to get one. I mean, an extra month? 2 months? Might not be worth it. But if you don't have a lot of bills, etc. saving up for an extra week isn't a big deal, imo.

Of course, the decision also depends on how discerning you are with your music, how long you're planning on keeping, etc. I mean, it doesn't matter if the Arc Audio would last for ever and serve as an amp in 8+ systems if you're going to use it for 2 years and sell it. But then again, it'd probably hold its value better.

98thumpin

why sell if it works. i think ill go with the arc audio amp. for the subs should i go arc for speakers too or would the polk c 400 be all right for that. and how much does a c 400 run?

audiobliss

The Plolk C400.4 is $400 at www.soundomain.com The C400.4 is a nice amp, and we've already established that Arc Audio makes great amps. I guess it really depends on 1) which has the power/features you want, 2) which is most accessible/cheapest, and 3) if you want to have both amps matching.

I'd say you'd be happy with either, but I kinda like having all my amps matching. Though it really doesn't matter.

What speakers have you decided to go with? Or if you're not certain, what ones are you leaning toward the most?

98thumpin

im leaning towards either the db components or mmc components. i just want them to be oval so there easy to put in. i m thinking components in the front and coaxs in the rears. or turning the components into coaxes.

audiobliss

Definitely get components for the front, and don't mount them coaxially unless you have to. Get the MMC if you can afford it (they'd just be one week's pay!). Don't worry about oval. Just get the round components and make an adapter plate IF they don't come with one.

What kind of car is all this going in?

98thumpin

a 1998 ford crown victoria 4.6liter.

98thumpin

my car has oval 5x7s in the front as it is stock and no tweeters that i see so i know they are coax speakers. its an odd location for the speakers right near the dash in the door by the door handle not down near kickpanel, but at least my leg is below the speaker. i feel it would be hard to mount the round ones there.

audiobliss

Dude, I feel for you. You have my sincere condolences. LOL!

Well, I was going to suggest that you forego the rear speakers if you had a small car, but if you have that large of a car and haul passengers around a lot, you might should get some rear speakers. Of course, you could just get the front speakers first and add the rear speakers when/if you see fit.

Just running front speakers will improve the soundstage and imaging, and plus it's cheaper. That's why I usually recommend it, and am going with just fronts in my 2-door Cherokee.

audiobliss

Nah, I highly doubt they're coaxial speakers. They're just probably full range 5x7 speakers.

98thumpin

they dont sound bad but i like loud music and they sound perfect with the vol know about 3/4 the way turned up but its not loud enough for me i drive withg windows down alot, and on the highway where wind noise is a prob my car doesnt have much road noise at all. and i do haul people around alot.

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i like polk speakers

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MacLeod

I dont know why but that cracked me up!

badfireguy

Ok, for what it's worth. I have been running 6500's in my truck for four years. I have taken them out and put them back seven times now. I have tried everything from Dynaudio to Focal to Vifa/Peerless. I put the Polks back everytime. Right now you can steal them for less than $140.00 AMERICAN. The installation of the tweeters is as simple as it gets and you can place them where they should be, not where the factory decided put them. I guarantee you that you will be hard pressed to find a more reliable, cleaner sound that can take the abuse that these will. Trust me, mine rarely see anything less than 300 wpc day in, day out. Just remember to remove the magnet covers if your doors are less than a foot deep.

Alpine CDA-9833 (I did not like the 9887)
Alpine Mrv-T420 X 2
Alpine Mrd-501
Carver M 4120
Polk Momo M-104 X2
KEF 690-Q's
Polk Momo 6500's
(About all I could put in a Nissan Frontier)
I would be happy to email you some pic's for install ideas)