This should please the anti-smokers...

heiney9

Ok I admit being a non-smoker I get rather annoyed by careless smokers. Careless smokers are people who have no regard for other people and are basically rude about where and when they smoke. I have several friends who smoke and they are somewhat aware of how if affects others in a public setting and try to be courteous.

This law is really ludicris to prevent people from smoking on their own property. I will say where this can be a real issue is if you live in a multi-level apartment like I used to. I was on the middle floor and all the units had their own deck area off the back. It used to infuriate me in the summer when the people below or above me sat on their deck and chain smoked. All that smoke would rise up into my apartment and I had to close all the windows and patio door constantly to keep the smoke from coming into my apartment. Where do my rights begin and their rights end? It's a tough question. I shouldn't have to close up my home. And they shouldn't have to have a designated smoking area on their own patio. It was a real problem that I had no other solution than to shut all my windows, etc.

I know when I go out to the bars that I am in a public place that has smokers in it. That's a conscious choice on my part and I'm willling to endure smoke to be there, it's my choice. I don't however, want to ingest smoke when I'm out for a nice meal, or in the work place, or have to walk thru a cloud of smoke outside business's I frequent. It's a fine line and far too many people are inconsiderate on both sides so that's why laws (stupid laws) are passed.

H9

jakelm

There are exceptions to what I say, some people do have alergic reactions. But the majority wants either money, recognition, or just the fact they dont like it and want to show that they can get it changed and think they know whats good for you and me.

Sometimes the other person just has to get away, because the one person has the right to wear perfume. Thats the way I feel.

"Baby, sweetheart, your job is getting you sick, then lets go find you another job". Not change the people who work there to acomodate you and the boss man gets scared that he and the company might get sued. Because one lady's perfume was alittle strong. So here we are, walking on egg shells afraid for the fact that if we upset anyone or give someone a cold we could get sued. I go to work with a runny nose then the person who works next to me gets a runny nose and sues me. And the funny thing is, thats excepted in this free society. Some people would accually look at my like I commited murder. "How dare you give that other person a cold, you terrible terrible man", they would say.

Come on..GIVE ME A BREAK

jakelm

cfrizz...THE COMPANY OWES YOU NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially if it only effect you. If your the only one in the work place to catch a cold because the A\c is to cold, or perfume was too strong, YOUR ON YOUR OWN BUDDY

You obviously dont understand this.

cfrizz

YOU are the one that doesn't understand. The company is NOT going to let a good worker risk suing them for a HEALTH RELATED ISSUE that can be easily solved. Everyone ends up losing in the end.

I'm not trying to rip anyone off, I am simply trying to protect MY HEALTH. She can wear her perfume to her hearts content outside of the company.

I am not the one that put work laws into existance. You have a problem with them go tell it to OSHA!

heiney9

Skynut wrote:

And thats the thing, for me I can not imagine a perfume smell causing physical problems. I know that it happens now but, if I didn't know more than one person I would just think they were being obnoxious for being bothered.

It sucks for people who are the underdog.

It's like the whole peanuts on the airline thing, I used to love to get peanuts but a couple of people sued and now we are stuck with pretzels. If I wanted pretzels I would have gone to a bar. I choose to fly for the peanuts.

Well Sky, believe of not I have a very sensitive "ol factory" and many smells like too much perfume and cologne actually cause headaches, runny nose and constant sneezing. It's an irritant for me and it's an inconvienence. It's never impeded my work or caused those kinds of problems, but it does happen and can be quite an ordeal for some people. I can't read magazines with those perfume inserts and if I'm in heavy stop and go traffic I usually get a nasty headache from exhaust fumes. It's a real PITA to deal with, but what can I do. It seems my hearing, taste and smell are ultra sensitive. It has good and bad results and I'd rather be overly sensitive then under sensitive.

I love peanuts

H9

jakelm

There you are again cfrizz....SUE SUE SUE

Protect you health and MOOOOOOVE!!!!!!


Lets sue McDonalds for giving us high blood preassure. Oh wait thats already happened.

Lets sue the resturaunt or business for not installing a $20,000 airpurifyer and a micro peice of pollen went in my nose and gave me a cold.

Or better yet, lets sue the guy next to me because he breathed his germs in "my" air.

Look..I understand your point. I just dont agree with it. You wont sue me will you?? For not agreeing and getting your blood preassure higher and shortining your life a few days. You wont sue me for that will you?

cfrizz

What a lot of people can't seem to understand is that those of us who suffer from these things have absolutely NO control over it. We didn't ask for it but we are stuck with it!

I hate having allergies I hate taking meds year round to keep them under control. I hate that I have to ask someone to stop wearing perfume, but I hate being sick even more!

I hate the fact that if I didn't control my allergies, that I could end up with asthma which can kill you! As it is I am more susecptible to sinus infections & bronchiatis because of my allergies. I HATE TAKING ANTIBIOTICS!

But there is nothing that I can do about any of it, except to control my envioronment as best I can & to take care of myself.

cfrizz

No I'm just going to put you on ignore. Cause your stupidity is only exceeded by your ignorance.

I'm not going to give up MY job over a damn perfume! And obviously my company agreed with my view point.

I didn't threaten to sue them, but they knew what the consequences could be if I had a physical collapse that could have been totally avoided with a small bit of proactive measure. There was no place else that they could move me at the time since space is tight & we are practically working on top of one another as it is!

If you should ever come down with allergies you will have a much better understanding of what others live with.

Until then....

You're not worth it!

neomagus00

jakelm, it's not like people can just randomly give up a job because a coworker pisses them off... it's a question of balance... on cfrizz's side, she's getting awful headaches etc., and to rectify it she could get a new job... on her coworker's side, she recieves NO benefit from the excessive perfume, and all she has to do is freaking wear less of it...

cfrizz is entitled to be able to breathe properly at her job, especially when there's no cost to anyone else for her to be able to do so... it's really not that big a deal, to wear one or two spritzes less of perfume... hell, she doesn't even have to do that, even moving thirty feet away will rectify the problem... again, it's a cost vs. benefit thing... you know, economics?

F1nut

Land of the free, my arse!

They tried this same crap in an area of DC, Friendship Heights to be exact. It failed because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Demiurge

Jakelm, don't worry, you're 100% right. These people lack common sense. They act as though people are trying to hurt them, or inconvenience them. Good grief, it's part of life, you deal with it. Then they think if an accident happens they have a right to sue you. What a joke -- last I checked the word accident had meaning, you know....something not done to cause harm purposefully. So you have an ailment, BE CAREFUL THEN!

It's okay, they're the same ones bitching about auto, health, life, dental, and every damn other kind of insurance. They don't understand that the money they take from others by suing them just ends up coming out of everyone elses pockets. Hear no evil, see no evil. :rolleyes:

markmarc

It all comes down to common decency and respect. Nobody needs to apply more than a spritz or two of perfume. Until you have lived with a person with allergies of this type you have no idea. Plus, the costs to a business in lost worker productivity is a big issue, just ask the HR department officer.

Cfrizz and Neomagus00 understand the balance and the realities of the workplace. It's all about moderation. Afterall, every perfume bottle trigger only sprays a small amount, WHY? because a little goes a long way. 99% of perfume/after shave users understand this, it's the 1% that doesn't that in reality, that need to be "re-educated".

Drumingman

Farting in the workplace annoys me!

neomagus00

and the difference there is that farting is a natural thing that can't be controlled, and isn't constant, and doesn't activate allergies... there are some people with uncontrollable farting (seriously, it's a medical condition), and if you happen to be bothered enough by this in the workplace, it should be a relatively easy matter to swap you to a new cube... no one needs to get fired or given a lethal injection or whatever... common sense applies, it's not always that the underdog wins, that's not the point...

PolkThug

We lose freedom every day.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060322/us_nm/bars_dc

F1nut

Farting may be natural, but some of those farts can be un-natural. I knew a guy who cleared out an entire store by just being natural. :eek:

neomagus00

okay, that texas thing is bloody ridiculous... you've all seen minority report, this is exactly the same thing... predestination is crap, how can you possibly be arrested because you MIGHT do something illegal?

F1nut

Scary days are here now and ahead. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

shack

neomagus00 wrote:

how can you possibly be arrested because you MIGHT do something illegal?

Did I miss the part where they ruled public intoxication is no longer illegal? A bar/restaurant is a public place...right?

F1nut

Not really, they are a private business. A public place would be more like a city owned park or some such.

Shizelbs

They should arrest strippers for being naked in public too then.

shack

F1nut wrote:

Not really, they are a private business. A public place would be more like a city owned park or some such.

Sorry, that's not the way the law's are interpreted...

1. Criminal law -- public intoxication -- definition of "public place" speaks only in terms of accessibility., The term "public place" is defined as "a publicly or privately owned place to which the public or substantial numbers of people have access"; the definition speaks only in terms of accessibility, not visibility.

2. Criminal law -- public intoxication -- pickup truck parked in side yard of private residence was not place to which public had access -- appellant's drinking-in-public conviction reversed and dismissed. -- Where it was undisputed that appellant was attending a private party at a privately owned residence and was drinking a beer while seated on the tailgate of a pickup truck that was parked in the side yard of the residence, the supreme court could not agree that this was a place to which the public or substantial numbers of people had access; the supreme court, holding that the trial court erred in failing to dismiss appellant's case, reversed and dismissed appellant's drinking-in-public conviction.

Shizelbs wrote:

They should arrest strippers for being naked in public too then..

In many places they do....

bobman1235

So, shack, you actually agree with a law that says people should not allowed to be DRUNK in BARS? Some of us are responsible (I would even venture to say MOST of us), have a designated driver / cab / walk home, and don't try to jump off of our roofs into our pools. Besides, the latter wouldn't be helped by people drinking in their private residences, unless you want prohibition.

shack

I did not state an opinion....just the law.

PolkThug

F1nut wrote:

Scary days are here now and ahead. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Yep, check this out:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/14155275.htm?source=yahoodist&content=ksc_news

bobman1235

shack wrote:

I did not state an opinion....just the law.

That's fine, and true, but I think the problem with a lot of laws is they're followed to the letter rather than the spirit. For example, if every person in every office pool in America was cited for illegal gambling, it would be following the letter of the law, but also be ridiculous. This new enforcement is following the letter of the law, but the point of a bar is INTOXICATION (to a reasonble extent of course).

Skynut

PolkThug wrote:

Yep, check this out:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/14155275.htm?source=yahoodist&content=ksc_news

Exactly. This is an instance where the laws changed without our knowledge. If you refuse to provide a fingerprint my guess is they will take your license and arrest you. (which gives them your prints)

As for the alergies I feel for you that you have these problems and it bothers me if they interfere with my life.
I mean I am not the type to continue to do something that affects another adversly but where does it end?
You don't want me to wear cologne and the boy in the bubble wants to be allowed to work in a germ free office without his bubble. How far are you willing to go to accomodate the boy in the bubble? Will you show up for work and go through a decontamination station? How about if all cubicles are bubbles with their own circulation systems so bubble boy can feel like he belongs?

Where does it end?

This is not an attack on anyone with allergies so don't read it wrong, I have known a few people with sensitivities to smoke, perfume, and various other allergies and I know they are real for you but, they do not directly effect the majority of people. When the majority of people have to change their normal life to accomodate your normal life it just does not seem fair to the majority.

shack

Skynut wrote:

When the majority of people have to change their normal life to accomodate your normal life it just does not seem fair to the majority.

Be careful here. You may just be making a case for the non-smokers...as they are in the vast majority. Only 22% of all adult US residents are smokers.

Strong Bad

MacLeod wrote:

This is just another reason the Soviet Socialists Republic of California needs to break off and sink into the ocean!

Maybe we should have Lex Luthor drop a nuke on the San Andreas and watch California slide into the ocean. Just make sure Superman doesn't stop it this time.

Seriously, what the f*** is next! Dumbass laws. Nothing more constructive to do with their law making powers.

PolkThug

Skynut wrote:

When the majority of people have to change their normal life to accomodate your normal life it just does not seem fair to the majority.

"fair" lol.

Theres a big difference between germs/pollen floating around and somebody lighting something on fire next to me.