This should please the anti-smokers...

steveinaz

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/QuitToLive/story?id=1736744&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Get caught smoking ON YOUR PATIO in Calabasas, California and get fined. God Bless Amerika. We can't seem to control gangs, the Meth problem, or child molesters; but we'll get those cigarette smokers in line....

ohskigod

confusing wording, taken literally, "all outdoor patios" would mean your own patio on your property. But does that mean you can smoke on your own lawn, since it is not a sidewalk or public place?

not smokinh in your own backyard, is effin ridiculous, my disdain for smoking in public areas aside

bvette94

To me this is more about the revenue that they can collect from the fines and not so much the act of smoking. i am a non smoker and think this is a bs law. imo i think they should use the resources from enforcing this law towards exactly what steve said towards gangs, drug smugglers and child molesters etc. remember big brother is watching.

ohskigod

I have a feeling that the outdoor patio thing is for restaraunts that have patio's and whatnot. not your own patio. With the way its worded in the article I could be wrong though.

steveinaz

This is what intolerence gets us. Who's next I wonder?

steveinaz

ohskigod wrote:

I have a feeling that the outdoor patio thing is for restaraunts that have patio's and whatnot. not your own patio. With the way its worded in the article I could be wrong though.

On the news last night they stipulated that yes, it means your backyard patio as well. If you're smoking on your patio and your neighbor complains that he can smell your smoke, you will be fined.---ANY outdoor smoking is prohibited.

Skynut

It might just raise the property value.
A smoke free city in Cali?
All the healthy yuppies can move there and die a healthy death.

steveinaz

Let's hope they do. If the second hand smoke don't kill'm, the Mortgage will...hehe.

ohskigod

steveinaz wrote:

On the news last night they stipulated that yes, it means your backyard patio as well. If you're smoking on your patio and your neighbor complains that he can smell your smoke, you will be fined.---ANY outdoor smoking is prohibited.

WOW, telling me I cant do a legal thing in certain areas in the public domain is one thing, but my own back yard? that sux., Although its Cali, should any of us be surprised?

wouldnt move to that state for all the tea in China.

jakelm

There is a big question on second hand smoke. Many have "blammed" deaths on this second hand smoke , but not one case has "proven" that a human has died from second hand smoke. Suieing over a smell is absolutly rediculous. Does this mean that if your wearing a perfume or cologne that I dont like the smell of I can sue you? Or if you just out-right stink, can I sue you then? My car is running and your standing next to it, or your in the other driveway and you can smell my fumes, can you sue me for that? Or would you just move away? Some people are trying to pass a law that bars\nightclubs are to band smoking. This is outrageous and rediculous.

The first ammendment is turning out to be a big joke. We cant say or do things we like (that are leagal) because it might offend someone. Its just plain stupid.

Ohhh.. Pretty soon we cant build houses anymore because we have to save the trees. We we all have to live in metal or solid brick homes.

Another issue (while we are on the subject) is seat belts. If I want to indanger my life by not wearing a seatbelt, is my business. If I get in an accedent and I'm not wearing a seatbelt, what difference does it make to you or anyone I'm in the wreck with....NO DIFFERENCE.

The reason I mentioned seatbelts is because, I believe, this is where it all started. I will protect my own life as I see fit, I dont need anyone telling me how to protect it. If I want to eat greasy fatty burgers my whole life, its my right. If I want to smoke 3-4 packs of cigarettes, its my choice. If I want to drive and not wear a seatbelt, fly out a windshield and smash my brains into a tree or pole, it should be my right. If I want to voice my opinion about someone or something, I think I should be able to say it loud and proud. Not having to worry about being sued for everything I have because it "offends" someone.

But this is just me.....if you dont like the way I smell.....get the hell away.

Free means FREE nomatter how you say it or spell it, and one day I hope to be FREE!!!!

Demiurge

Careful, jakelm, you're starting to sound logical, and you're being a free thinker.

jakelm

Well Thank You, Demiurge. I appreciate the complement.

AsSiMiLaTeD

You guys gotta remember this IS California we're talking about here...

jakelm

And in 10-20 years from now, we will all say "it all started in California"

tonyb

Demiurge wrote:

Careful, jakelm, you're starting to sound logical, and you're being a free thinker.

I thought that was banned on this forum.:eek:

jakelm

As long as you dont smoke in here........lol.. you can stay tony:D

And wear your seatbelt and smell good and live in metal or cement building and say the right things


ohhh...I'm sorry this isnt California......yet

tonyb

Can't wait till the big one comes and drop their sorry **** in the ocean.OOHH
wait,that will be"Bush's" fault too.If Cali was to....never mind ,they aint worth the effort.

MacLeod

This is just another reason the Soviet Socialists Republic of California needs to break off and sink into the ocean!

jakelm

Heyyy there are alot of good things that come out of Cali...

Like the wine and..uhmmm...the wine...and Oh yeah..the wine.

Skynut

I know we have some stupid laws but we also get some of the best weather and we have beautiful (cigarette butt littered) beaches.

You are not to far off on the perfume thing also. When I visit my doctors office there are signs that ask everyone to refrain from wearing perfume because it bothers some people.

I personally LOVE to smell a purdy women walk by.

jakelm

Skynut wrote:

You are not to far off on the perfume thing also. When I visit my doctors office there are signs that ask everyone to refrain from wearing perfume because it bothers some people.
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Are you serious Sky??? I was just saying. I would have never imagined a sign saying please refrain from wearing perfume. This is getting out of hand. IMO

jakelm

Skynut wrote:

we have beautiful (cigarette butt littered) beaches.

Well thats a litter law inforcement problem. Not a smokers problem.

markmarc

In any other state, the state supreme court would strike that law down. But since it is CA, chances are only 1 in 3 of it being overturned.

As for the perfume, my wife suffers from sensitivity to perfume. It's not the single spray or two that bothers her, it's those that bath themselves in it by the keg. She has has lost $$$$ in lost wages from having a migraine triggered by those that don't understand that a little goes a long way. Finally, she left the corporate/office world for her own business.

cfrizz

There is a huge increase with upper respirtory problems these days. Asthma & allergies put quite a strain on the body.

A couple of years ago I asked to be moved because my co-workers perfume was making me ill! It was on her skin, her clothes, her coat, ect. ect. I reacted quite badly to it with runny nose, irritated throat & sinus headaches!

I tried nicely to tell her that it was bothering me & she just didn't give a damn. So I went to management & asked to be moved since this was have a negative effect on my physical health.

In the end they had her move her coat & she stopped wearing perfume. If they have to make a choice between someones health & productivity vs someone smelling good the person with the confirmed medical condition will win.

They are not about to risk a lawsuit over something so minor that can cost them thousands of dollars!

jakelm wrote:

Are you serious Sky??? I was just saying. I would have never imagined a sign saying please refrain from wearing perfume. This is getting out of hand. IMO

cfrizz

BINGO!!!!! I can definately relate to your wife's predicament!

markmarc wrote:

In any other state, the state supreme court would strike that law down. But since it is CA, chances are only 1 in 3 of it being overturned.

As for the perfume, my wife suffers from sensitivity to perfume. It's not the single spray or two that bothers her, it's those that bath themselves in it by the keg. She has has lost $$$$ in lost wages from having a migraine triggered by those that don't understand that a little goes a long way. Finally, she left the corporate/office world for her own business.

Demiurge

Skynut

And thats the thing, for me I can not imagine a perfume smell causing physical problems. I know that it happens now but, if I didn't know more than one person I would just think they were being obnoxious for being bothered.

It sucks for people who are the underdog.

It's like the whole peanuts on the airline thing, I used to love to get peanuts but a couple of people sued and now we are stuck with pretzels. If I wanted pretzels I would have gone to a bar. I choose to fly for the peanuts.

jakelm

You guys points are very valid. But where does it end? You said it cfrizz "afraid to be sued". Thats the problem. Being able to sue for something like that is the problem. I dont like the way you look, I'll sue you. You have a wart on your nose and it makes me feel queezy, I'll sue you. You stink and it gives me a head ache, I'll sue you. It gets out of hand.


Its getting to be like we are children again "mama, he's looking at me again, punish him, 'son, quit looking at her or I will punish you' ". Now that we all know the son shouldnt get punished, be he does, just to shut the little girl up. Thats not right!!

cfrizz

My brother is deathly allergic to nuts, except peanuts. But people have died due to peanut allergies. & other nuts.

cfrizz

I'm sorry you feel that way Jake, but the fact remains that I have a physical documented medical problem with records to prove it. If I end up in the hospital with a severe allergic reaction, or pass out at work due to a sinus headache, etc. & the company was well aware that I had this problem & did nothing about it. I'M GOING TO SUE THEIR DAMN ASSES OFF. They would lose! They are obligated to provide a safe working enviorment.

This is about peoples physical well being I'm not a hypochondriac, I do everything possible to keep my allergies under control to prevent more serious URI from taking hold that could potentially kill me.

I don't know where it will end. All I can do is respect other people the way I respect myself.

jakelm wrote:

You guys points are very valid. But where does it end? You said it cfrizz "afraid to be sued". Thats the problem. Being able to sue for something like that is the problem. I dont like the way you look, I'll sue you. You have a wart on your nose and it makes me feel queezy, I'll sue you. You stink and it gives me a head ache, I'll sue you. It gets out of hand.


Its getting to be like we are children again "mama, he's looking at me again, punish him, 'son, quit looking at her or I will punish you' ". Now that we all know the son shouldnt get punished, be he does, just to shut the little girl up. Thats not right!!

Skynut

I feel like the USA is sue happy.
My take is this (enter the mind of sky) when a lawyer takes a case and wants to sue on behalf of the imigrant that could not read the "Watch dog on duty" sign or, on behalf of the burglar that broke his neck falling through the skylight, if he looses that case he should pay restitution to the party being sued.
If the lawyer has anything to loose he/she will reconsider which cases they will take.

I was involved in a lawsuit (witness) and I heard one of the lawyers response to the question of "why are there 150 john does listed"
(They list john doe so they can add anyone they feel they can connect to the case.)

His reply was "I may have to kiss alot of frogs but I only need one to be a prince".
Meaning that if one of the john does has deep pockets then he is a winner.