Anyone go "crazy" after getting married? This is serious.

danger boy

Christian,

You and your wife should both go to counseling together. There are some obvious issues you both are dealing with. Hopefully your wife will be open to the idea of seeking professional help together.

I believe counseling could be a big help to the both of you. Drugs/meds are not long term solutions to these types of problems. It's only a band aid approach.

There may be other issues that you have never thought about until you were married. People often change after being married.. some for the better, some not. BUt it's certainly some thing you both need to work out.

good luck, AL

Polk65

Christian,

I have been thinking about winter as an issue and you have mentioned it in two of your posts. Here is a link that you may find helpful. http://www.outsidein.co.uk/sadinfo.htm

The reason I got interested in this is I find it very hard to wake up some mornings. I occasionally get what is referred to as "sleep drunkenness". Without any drinks the night before, I feel groggy in the morning. Long ago I found a solution by sitting in the morning near a bright desk lamp in addition to the ceiling light. Now I use a bright halogen desk lamp and feel better within a few minutes. This has also reduced feelings of depression.

Steve

StopherJJ1980

*SIGH* I didnt want to reply to this thread but I read and read and I can't reist. This is kind of my specialty area. Im a counselor in an inpatient psych unit at an AZ hospital. Im not a doctor but all this stuff is really right in my crosshairs. I didnt want to respond because its late and I dont feel like typign and I know this isnt going to be short. In my humble opinion I hope you take my words with more than a grain of salt, no disrespect to others opinion but when it comes to mental health most people have just that, an opinion but it isnt very educated.

First and foremost it seems that you are already seeing some professionals. Listen to them and accept their guidance, they make a living doing this for a reason.

Second it seems you are definitely depressed. Whether it is straight and simple depression or bipolar or some other anxiety issues as well, only your doctor can diagnose but there is definitely something up and it deserves to be treated.

As far as drugs. Lots of people dont like them. But it is a simple fact that when it comes to depression, antidepressants are one of the most useful tools to help treat depression. A lot of people misunderstand what they are intended for feeling that they dont fix the problem and are just "happy pills" that are bad for one reason or another. Meds are not intended to be a cure-all but to be used in conjunction with therapy for maximum effectiveness. They should give you that boost you need to enable you to do the other things you need to do to combat depression/anxiety. Most likely you will feel the side effects before you feel the beneficial effects. These side effects commonly subside quickly and it take 2-4 weeks for them to build up the levels in your system to feel any positive effects. Give them time to work and if you having difficulty keep your doctor informed so he can adjust them as needed. Everyone responds differently and often it is a matter of finding what works for you. But they are difinitely effective tools to use to help combat depression. They are not simply a coverup for the real problem. Tom Cruise is an idiot and Scientology is full of crap

Having said all that. You mentioned you have been with your wife since high school. I know it may seem strange to rag on longlasting childhood relationships but oftentimes this is not the healthiest relationship oftentimes. Most high school couples break up and do so for a good reason as there are many changes that occur naturally between then and your transition into adulthood. It is usually the case that people grow apart and experience other people and relationships. For some reason you two held on to each other. Now realize Im not saying this is ALWAYS bad, its just kind of suspicious So maybe somethings is up there...

Is there anything else about your relationship or you two as individuals that would be important to know about? At the risk of getting really personal, some important factors include... Is there any drug/alcohol abuse among you two or your parents? Any issues with codependency? Have either of you been victims of trauma/abuse? You mentioned your mother went thru bouts of depression? How is her history and how did her depression affect you? Do you have a father around? Some more history always helps... 99% of the time the cause starts years before you even know whats up, often with childhood development...

As Im sure you already know your are going through a rough time. It is always a complicated situation that requires treatment by professionals when it becomes serious enough to affect your quality of life. I doubt you will find any answers in any short responses including this one, it will take a bit of work.

Keep in mind it is often not useful to try to reason WHY now wor WHY this is happening etc. etc. It is... and now it needs to be taken care of. Seems like you have had a lot going on lately stress-wise and I doubt anyone could tell you why it happened now or exactly what pattern of events caused this. Often the treatment doesnt depend on knowing why.

Accept any help you have available to you and keep everyone informed as to how you are doing and accept help. Realize millions of people deal with what you do and deal with it just fine. Good luck buddy.

StopherJJ1980

Oh yeah and I second the motion by the guy who says not to listen to Dr. Phil and any of those other self help, day time TV gurus... They are all full of crap and oversimplify everything.... F em.

cfrizz

Nice post Stopher! It's nice to have the opinion of someone who works in the field that actually knows what he's talking about!

Demiurge

Relying on medicine to solve your problems is a coverup for the underlying issue if you rely on it just to make you feel better. It doesn't make you better. You said it yourself, it's a good tool. I agree it's a good tool in helping with the realization of the roots of your problems, but it's not the solution. Just like how every damn kid is ADHD and prescribed some form or ritalin, maybe it's good to be a human being with some faults and a personality.

For every doctor who is pro-medicine for the treatment of mental ailments there's another who isn't. The jury is still out on it. I've seen close friends on the happy pills and it made them a different person, and it wasn't a positive change. They were like mind numb zombies, and it wasn't an endearing personality trait, in fact they were devoid of a personality.

I'm all for medicine being used as a tool, but it's hardly the solution to the problem. All of our problems are rooted in something unless you have some sort of chemical imbalance in your brain.

bikezappa

Suggestion Mazeroth: Consider talking more to your wife and less to your mom.

cfrizz

No one is encouraging him to use meds to solve his problem. It is a combination of both the right meds & counseling that will get a person back on an even keel. If it is determined by medical professionals that that is what is needed.

Talking with another person who has been in the situation can sometimes be of help. Forwarned is forarmed. But the most important thing he can do is to bring his wife into this with him & they work it through together.

Hopefully they will both come out of it with a better understanding of both themselves & each other & their marriage will be even stronger.

Mazeroth

Stopher, thanks for the good reply.

As far as our upbringing we both had our birth parents and had pretty good childhoods. The only fault is my wife's father used to drink and once took a prescription med his buddy gave him that gave everyone a shock. Today we get along with our parents just great.

As far as the highschool sweatheart thing my wife did date a few other guys before me, and quite frankly, until I met her, I wasn't interested in dating anyone. We worked together for a year at Burger King before I found out she liked me and I decided I'd like to date her. Since then it's been 99.9% great. The six years we dated while living apart you could barely keep us separated. We pretty much wanted to be with each other 100% of the time, but obviously couldn't because of college/work/other things going on. Since we moved in together 27 months ago that connection is still there, but since we now live together the spark has died just a little bit, but I'm sure that's to be expected. She is, by far, the most caring, nicest, most beautful woman I know. I mean this from the bottom of my heart...I am more attracted to her than even, say, the Victoria's Secret models. Don't get me wrong, I see women every day that make my head turn and give myself a "Damn, that girl is SMOKING", but to get me really excited, it takes my wife. She is that beautiful, that sexy, knows how to hit my right buttons...just awesome. I can't believe I'm about to say this but usually talking to my wife on the phone, pre-marriage, got me extremely "excited". Just hearing her voice and how happy I was to talk to her...man...sorry guys!

I think what may be the problem is I had so much going on before the marriage that I'm attributing the anxiety to the marriage. I got my new job back in June and before I got hired in I was getting sore abs, a sore back, a little bit of chest pain etc. I had no idea at the time it was due to anxiety because I never experienced anxiety before in my life. Then, after I got my new job, I had to move over to second shift which royally sucks. My personal life is shot on second, because my friends and family all work on first, so during the week I'm pretty much by myself, except when I'm at work where I do have some friends, but it's not the same. Also, Ohio winters are the pits. We average less than 80 days of sunshine a year, and in the winter it's the worst. Add on to that me going back to college (I scheduled classes around the same time as the wedding, but I knew I was going back for about two months), and I think I had WAAAY too much going on at once. My problem was none of the aforementioned ever really bothered me and at the time I thought all the anxiety was because of the marriage. Looking back, and talking to my Mom, I can see how all those things could add up and create a ton of stress and anxiety. My downfall was pinning all of it against the marriage and my wife, which is absolutely ridiculous. Oh, and another thing. I hate having debt and at the time of the marriage I had about $5500 in credit card debt along with owing my parents $4500 for college. Just this week I paid off the credit card debt, which feels great, and I'm going to start paying my parents back $500 or so a month.

Well, I need to get things ready for the trip so I look forward to all of your replies. And Stopher, you mentioning highschool sweethearts getting married not being the best idea got me really anxious and my heart racing. That made me question things, which is absolutely ridiculous. We were both virgins when we started dating, and yes I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be with another woman intimately, but every time I talk to some friends they tell me it's pretty much the same thing and I should be happy my wife and I are each other's soul mates. I do see women and their characteristics and sometimes I'll find a trait about a woman that appeals to me more than my wife's trait, for example if her sense of humor is more in line with mine that my wifes. I notice those things but also realize no one is perfect and my wife is almost perfect, but it would be impossible for me to expect her to be. I mean, how many women do you know that are strikingly beautiful, like to play tennis, golf, rollerblade, listen to rock and roll music, and love laying down on the couch and playing video games for six to eight hours straight? Those are all things I love to do and so does she. It was awesome the first time she saw me playing Diablo II and asked if she could try playing. No joke, three days later and about thirty hours of gameplay and she beat the game. That was AWESOME! She then went on to master Heroes of Might and Magic 1, 2, and 3. I would sit down in my basement and watch her play for hours and we would work as a team. Gah, I'm going on and on and I'm sorry...but we just have so much in common and I love her to death and I can't believe I let myself get to this

Skynut

I had lived alone for 5 years.
All by myself. (except for the occasional sleepover)

I was married in June and she has 2 kids.
We did not live together before the marriage but we dated for over 3 years.
She moved in right after the honeymoon and the kids followed 2 weeks later.

I feel the same way somtimes, like "did I blow it"
I am happy, she is happy, the kids are happy, and still I can't help but stress over the whole "till death do you part" thing.

We are in the married forever category and feel like marriage vows were not to be taken lightly.

To me it is just the thought that this is the last women I will be with.
No more wild oats, no more bachelor stories to rub in the noses of my married friends, no other women ever again.
It is kinda depressing when I think about how much longer I may live.

However, on the other side of this coin I have a wonderfull wife and someone that I enjoy spending time with. I feel like she will be there with me when we are 80 something years old.
We will have years of history to talk about and stories to tell the grandkids if there are any.
We trust each other and that is a big issue.

In closing all I can say is that for me I am still a wreck sometimes because I felt like I was king of the world living by myself and reporting to no one.
Now I am married with children and they will be around for several more years before it will be just wifey and me. I feel like I should have stayed single and just lived my life but when you find "The One" you just need to act on it and deal with the issues that arrise.
Cold feet or buyers remorse are reasonable names for how I feel but I can say that I don't regret anything yet.

I say go on the vacation and just enjoy yourselves, enjoy being together and consider it an adventure.
There will be highs and lows for each of you so be prepared to help her and to ask for help from her.

Good luck.

Demiurge

So what do you find attractive besides her looks? Just something that struck me after reading your last post.

PhantomOG

just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. you're young, healthy (just imagine cancer patients) have a loving family and wife. even if the marriage doesn't last its not the end of the world. with all of the horrible things that could happen to someone in life, do you really feel like you should be depressed? chemical imbalances aside (don't really have experience there), look at the rest of the world and you should feel better. Whenver I get down and force myself to think that way, I actually feel guilty for being so well off.

Here's a suggestion: go and do some volunteer work somewhere. Go read a book to some children, go work at the soup kitchen for a few hours. Go help someone less fortunate than yourself... its almost guaranteed to make you feel better and you'll be helping others in the process. If we all just gave a little more of ourselves we'd all be better off for it.

Mazeroth

Demiurge wrote:

So what do you find attractive besides her looks? Just something that struck me after reading your last post.

Just about everything. We have very similar personalities and enjoy being "immature" together. Just having so much in common with someone is a big turn on. When I watch lovey-dovey movies that I can relate to our relationship I bawl like a little baby, because I love her so much. Her eyes, and when she smiles, oh my. The contentness in her eyes when she looks at me and when I'm smiling back at her, is just, amazing. I started crying while typing the last sentense there...a good cry. We honestly feel we're a match made in heaven, and almost everyone else I know feels the same. My parents adore her like no other female in the family (I have two older brothers who have dated a lot of girls) and her family loves me to death, to the point of almost smuthering She's downstairs now getting ready for the trip so I gotta go help her and grab some food because I'm starving.

Thanks again, guys and gals.

cfrizz

Have a great trip!!!

neomagus00

Mazeroth wrote:

Just about everything. We have very similar personalities and enjoy being "immature" together. Just having so much in common with someone is a big turn on. When I watch lovey-dovey movies that I can relate to our relationship I bawl like a little baby, because I love her so much. Her eyes, and when she smiles, oh my. The contentness in her eyes when she looks at me and when I'm smiling back at her, is just, amazing. I started crying while typing the last sentense there...a good cry. We honestly feel we're a match made in heaven, and almost everyone else I know feels the same. My parents adore her like no other female in the family (I have two older brothers who have dated a lot of girls) and her family loves me to death, to the point of almost smuthering She's downstairs now getting ready for the trip so I gotta go help her and grab some food because I'm starving.

Thanks again, guys and gals.

if that's not bliss, and a match meant to be, what is?

StopherJJ1980

Demiurge wrote:

Relying on medicine to solve your problems is a coverup for the underlying issue if you rely on it just to make you feel better. It doesn't make you better. You said it yourself, it's a good tool. I agree it's a good tool in helping with the realization of the roots of your problems, but it's not the solution. Just like how every damn kid is ADHD and prescribed some form or ritalin, maybe it's good to be a human being with some faults and a personality.

For every doctor who is pro-medicine for the treatment of mental ailments there's another who isn't. The jury is still out on it. I've seen close friends on the happy pills and it made them a different person, and it wasn't a positive change. They were like mind numb zombies, and it wasn't an endearing personality trait, in fact they were devoid of a personality.

I'm all for medicine being used as a tool, but it's hardly the solution to the problem. All of our problems are rooted in something unless you have some sort of chemical imbalance in your brain.

Well again, and as cfrizz has mentioned, very few advocate just taking medication to fix a problem. Use it with therapy. It is in no way a cover-up. Its just a helping hand in the brain chemistry dept. If you dont feel that chemicals can affect or mood then go take a hit of ecstacy and see how you feel for a few days afterwards (note: I have never done this, but you will feel crapy and depressed) Drugs can make you feel worse, and likewise they can make you feel better. Once you start saying that people should not depend on these medicines and should just "fix it" by themselves then you start getting into the area of people who think all western medicines and drugs are bad and all the christian science, new age crap. Depression and other mental illnesses are biological conditions and need to be treated as any other disease. In our society we oftentimes have a hard time seeing our moods and thoughts as biological, but they are.

"All of our problems are rooted in something unless you have some sort of chemical imbalance in your brain" - Demiurge
But that is just the thing, very often that is the very problem, a chemical imbalance in your brain. Sure people get depressed as part of normal life, thats what makes us human. But when people become depressed past the point that is reasonable where it begins to affect their quality of life then it becomes a potentially fatal condition that needs to be treated. This differentiates 'clinical depression' that deserves to be treated from your normal day to day depression that most people progress through normally.

PS - Yes ADHD and some other conditions are overdiagnosed but that is a whole other thread.

As far as the "jury still being out" Im afraid that is just plain wrong. Lots of people have opinions of what they 'think' however the evidence for the biological influences on mental illness and the efficacy of drugs in treating them has years and years and thousands of studies that provide undeniable empirical evidence for them. Anybody who has worked in the field, especially doctors who have had years of training and read the medical literature, and seen treatment/medication in action cannot deny this. It is just a scientific fact, plain and simple. You can argue with it, or not agree with it, but it is really akin to saying that you dont agree with evolution, physics, chemistry and other things that have been scientifically proven to be fact.

To sum up, doctors arent quacks out to convince you that you need their meds to get rich. They arent holding back the really good treatments. If they have something that works... they use it ! They are the first ones to use it and welcome any advances in the field. There are other methods beyond conventional western medicine and therapy but the simple fact is that they just dont hold up against scientific scrutiny. These are the best tools we have and thus we use them as such. Are they perfect? No. Are there side effects? Yes. Will they work for everyone? No. Just as people get cancer or any other disease and some are unable to be treated due to a ton of individual differences beyond out control. But should you use that as an excuse not to get your cancer or other diseases treated as best we know how? Of course not... Everyone likes to think they are wise to "the man" trying to push his cures on them. But the simple fact is that "the man" is the man because his stuff works and has been proven by science. And when you get sick feel free to will your way through it, or get acupuncture, or drink herbal tea, or exercise, or do yoga and meditate. As far as me... Im gonna go see "the man"

bikezappa

Originally Posted by Demiurge
Relying on medicine to solve your problems is a coverup for the underlying issue if you rely on it just to make you feel better.

Thoughts are chemical reactions=chemicals can affect thoughts.
Diabetics have high blood sugar=taking chemicals, insulin, controls blood sugar.

I have know people so crazy and depressed that chemicals were the ONLY option. Some people are very unlucky and may need these chemicals to live. Sad but true.

StopherJJ1980

Maz, I dont mean to freak you out but it sounds like you might have gotten too deep too fast since this was your first real relationship. Most guys can tell you (as I can too) that they did this with their first girl. Most times it ends for one reason or another and despite the stereotype of guys being cold and unemotional most get clingy and obsessive and fight desperately to get this 'perfect person' back. It hurts like hell when it ends but most usually look back on it ending as a good thing. And indeed it is the natural healthy thing, it just happens to hurt a lot and go against what every fiber in our body says to do at the time, God's little joke

My personal story. My first real gf when I was 17. Met this cute redhead who was a couple years younger than me... cheerleader, sweet, smart, the whole package. We were each others 'first'. We were together almost two years and she was PERFECT in my eyes. We were meant to be together. The ONE thing I was sure of at that age was that we were meant for each other. She was going to be the girl I was going to marry, although I wasnt naive enough to plan on getting married at 18 I was still sure she would be the one one day.
Welllll... that all went to hell Long story short we grew apart we(she lol) wanted to see other people, i started college in the same town and we grew apart and broke up. I was devastated. How could this thing, this feeling I was SO sure of be wrong? I was the MOST certain about that, what did that mean about all my other beliefs? I went through a good 2 years of missing her, wanting her back, trying to be 'just friends' knowing I wanted much more, a couple times coming close to hooking up again physically and relationshipwise, I was torn and a mess. But eventually over time we just grew further apart and talked less and slowly I became my own person again. I look back on it as one of the most painful things I have experienced but also one of the most critical aspects of me developing as a person. I couldnt become me if I had stayed locked into that relationship. To this day I am so glad we didnt stay together, hindsight being 20/20. Weird how my thoughts and feelings then and now couldnt be further from each other.

Quick side note: I am actually getting married this Friday the 24th. I am cool with it, no problems. But the weird thing is, my first gf mentioned above... She's getting married the day after me on the 25th. Eerie.

So first off, I know from talking to my friends almost all have a similar experience. Any Polkies care to share theirs? Or maybe Im the only one LOL

Finally, Maz, DONT FREAK OUT when I say things like this. A lot of poeple may be like, 'that is a horrible thing to be telling this guy when were trying to make him feel more confident about his relationship'. And maybe it is but mental health is often not judged by how happy a person is as most would like to think, it is judged by how well connected to reality a person is and how they are able to deal with that reality. I AM NOT saying your relationship needs to end and you made a mistake. I am saying it does sound like maybe it was idealized and you might need to look at some things that are wrong with it and need attention. Like you mentioned... You met at 17, working at BK, you like hanging out and playing video games and you like the immaturity of you both. Perhaps you find comfort in this immaturity and stay doing things that you are familiar with because you fear change, your relationship included. But at the same time you realize you may be missing out on some critical development as a person and feel overwhelmed by the very thing that you hold onto for security, as if it is 'holding you back'. This is my gut instinct from what you mention.

AGAIN, DONT FREAK OUT. These are just things to think about, mental chewing gum. Your comfort will come from realizing areas that need improvement and doing so, not by feeling better about whatever you already have. Warning, these are just my thoughts, I am not a licensed therapist or doctor. But I like to think Im pretty hip to these things working in the mental health field. Again relax, evaluate things and take your time making changes. There is no rush to do anything, you got a good wife and nothing is urgent so take it one day at a time. And as before listen to your doctors and jeep them informed of your status, progress and needs. Use whatever resources and support you have. Good luck buddy. Hope the trip went well.

Sorry for typing a novel everyone, but this is my thang

Skynut

It's like this.

Mariage is like a roller coaster.
All the engagement and wedding planning is just the standing in line part.
now you and she are on the clickety clackety part where you are going up that big incline. (This is the scariest part of the ride to me because I know what comes next)
What comes next?
All the fun comes next.
Once all the clickety clackety stops you start having fun with the ride.

Now you are going on a trip with wifey and I just hope you two can go have fun.
I love vacations, they give me a chance to be with my wife and enjoy her company.
We even take mini (one nighters) vacations just to do something together.

I say give it time and the ride will become more fun.

Demiurge

bikezappa wrote:

Originally Posted by Demiurge
Relying on medicine to solve your problems is a coverup for the underlying issue if you rely on it just to make you feel better.

Thoughts are chemical reactions=chemicals can affect thoughts.
Diabetics have high blood sugar=taking chemicals, insulin, controls blood sugar.

I have know people so crazy and depressed that chemicals were the ONLY option. Some people are very unlucky and may need these chemicals to live. Sad but true.

Mental disorders aren't the same as physical disorders, I thought that my comment about medicinal use and 'mental illness' were edification enough tp the point. Plus, while I do agree that medicines can suppress and alleviate many mental illnesses, that this probably isn't a case of such an ailment.

I mean, guy gets married and starts having anxiety problems. I think talking to someone who can help unwind you is what really needs to happen. Just my experience. Not trying to say whats wrong, because I don't know him.

cfrizz

Demi, I'm not trying to be mean here but, unless you have suffered from depression or have very close ties (ie family) that has suffered from depression you don't have a clue!

Just leave it alone.

Demiurge wrote:

Mental disorders aren't the same as physical disorders, I thought that my comment about medicinal use and 'mental illness' were edification enough tp the point. Plus, while I do agree that medicines can suppress and alleviate many mental illnesses, that this probably isn't a case of such an ailment.

I mean, guy gets married and starts having anxiety problems. I think talking to someone who can help unwind you is what really needs to happen. Just my experience. Not trying to say whats wrong, because I don't know him.

Demiurge

cfrizz wrote:

Demi, I'm not trying to be mean here but, unless you have suffered from depression or have very close ties (ie family) that has suffered from depression you don't have a clue!

Just leave it alone.

Don't make assumptions.

cfrizz

With all the junk you've been talking about in this thread, it's hard not to make assumptions that you don't know what you are talking about.

PhantomOG

Demiurge wrote:

Don't make assumptions.

based upon a few messages on a bulletin board you are making medical decisions about whether or not someone needs medication? pot... black?

Tour2ma

You guys (and gals) mhave been posting long enough for it to be apparent that Demi has obviously been in therapy...

Seriously, if it's a GP prescribing drugs, I have to agree they are not the way to go. Psycho-therapist... different story.

But the point here is not to be right or be wrong, be the one to help, it's to try to help. So let's try to keep the focus on Christian.

And in that vein, IMO, the additional 2nd shift tidbit points again to the job. I've worked 2nd shifts and the schedule plain and simple sucks. Eat, sleep, work, and repeat... It's a life killing, let alone relationship killin, schedule.

Everything else reads just fine to me...

Demiurge

PhantomOG wrote:

based upon a few messages on a bulletin board you are making medical decisions about whether or not someone needs medication? pot... black?

I never said he shouldn't take medication, I said don't rely on them. So please don't put words in my mouth.

With all the junk you've been talking about in this thread, it's hard not to make assumptions that you don't know what you are talking about.

Really, telling someone not to rely on medicine is junk? Do you like to pick fights around here? I am not the only one here who is of the opinion that relying on drugs to make you better.

I think what he was asking for was a little bit of support, then everyone started throwing around their medical advice. He needs to take care of that on his own and not listen to anyones opinions here about diagnosis.

Again, don't make assumptions about what others have been through.

StopherJJ1980

Tour2ma wrote:

Seriously, if it's a GP prescribing drugs, I have to agree they are not the way to go. Psycho-therapist... different story.

But the point here is not to be right or be wrong, be the one to help, it's to try to help. So let's try to keep the focus on Christian.

Ditto and ditto.

cfrizz

And no one else said that he should rely on meds! We all said to see a doctor about possible chemical imbalances that can be treated with meds & get counseling together with his wife!

I'm not picking fights, however, you are putting out unhelpful information about something that I had to live with for the last 20 years of my mothers life!

Those meds that you don't want him to rely on, helped to keep my mother alive!

Demiurge wrote:

I never said he shouldn't take medication, I said don't rely on them. So please don't put words in my mouth.



Really, telling someone not to rely on medicine is junk? Do you like to pick fights around here? I am not the only one here who is of the opinion that relying on drugs to make you better.

I think what he was asking for was a little bit of support, then everyone started throwing around their medical advice. He needs to take care of that on his own and not listen to anyones opinions here about diagnosis.

Again, don't make assumptions about what others have been through.

Demiurge

You have a PM, Maz.