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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,780
    edited March 2006
    It seems to a be a fact that some folks can not hear a difference, nothing to be ashamed about, it's just the way it is. However, to transpose your inabilities on others as the gospel truth is ludicrous.

    No, what's ludicous is to claim something is true without one shred of PROOF, and expect others to except it as gospel.

    If you could just come up with ONE scientific test, where even one participant could consistantly tell the difference between two cables, I would except that it may be my hearing. But no one has ever been able to do this, and they have tried many times.

    Look at the tens of thousands of folks who buy high end cables. Do you really think people would keep spending their hard earned money on something that doesn't work or do they all have over-active imaginations too!?!

    Yes I do. People fall for scams by the thousands every day, and not just in the audio field.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2006
    Jesse....Why do you continue to waste your keystokes on these topics/posters. They are not worth the effort. You need to join the IDGAFITHADON (I don't give a f**k if they hear a difference or not) movement with me. I REALLY DON'T CARE.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited March 2006
    Good point there... it's been done before and there seems to be no swaying the anti-cable guys. You know they make a difference and that's all that matters. Long live IDGAFITHADON!! :p

    Although putting the cable debate aside I do see the point of how people push their opinions too hard sometimes. We all just need to learn to let the listener decide him/herself whether it's worth it to them to spend the money on cables and leave it at that.

    FWIW I do belive in cables. Would I pay that kind of money on cables? Of course not, but that's not to say I won't put things into perspective and hook up my rig with cabling near the same level.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited March 2006
    Proof is in the pudding. I and many others hear a difference, that's all I need to know. Every cable that I have tried in my system has had a different sound, even some that I wanted to sound good didn't, so that rules out my over-active imagination.

    Science can not prove everything. Let's look at amps, science has certain measurements to "test" them, yet that science can not explain why two amps with the same specs sound so different from each other or why one with excellent specs sounds so bad. Science can not explain why certain pieces of gear sound great together and others don't, yet they all test respectable. It's not something that we can put into a neat little package, it's not black and white.

    Science can also not prove nor test why people hear things differently. What's bright and ear bleeding to one sounds wonderful to another. You can't explain that, yet it's true.

    Science isn't always right about things either. Hell, they thought the world was flat at one time.

    I don't doubt that some people can't tell the difference between a $50.00 cable and a $5000.00 cable, so why do you doubt that people can tell the difference.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2006
    I know why F1 does. Because he cares that folks give it a chance, I care too. Not to change the Naysayer, but to let the person on the fence know the whole truth. However, like Shack I dont seek validation.

    I have irrefutable evidence that the connects between components have an effect on the musical potential of an audio system.

    RT1
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited March 2006
    Because he cares that folks give it a chance

    Bingo!!!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • DiscoMike
    DiscoMike Posts: 114
    edited March 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    Bingo!!!
    Some people are just passionate about things. ;) Especially audio !!!
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited March 2006
    Do girls dig guys with expensive patch cords? (Like cars?)

    YES!!!:D


    I for one have actually heard the difference cables can make in my system but I think the more expensive you go there is a huge level of diminishing return. My Kimber Heros beat the pants off of my old Radio Shack interconnects and slightly edge out my Cobalt Cable Interconnects which sounded better than my Outlaw Audio interconnects. I do believe however that there is a lot of snake oil in those price ranges.
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2006
    wingnut4772 wrote:
    YES!!!:D


    I believe in oil. I have beat the pants off MY Heros.
    :o

    Go gettim Darla!!

    OK its cut and pasted a bit, sorry.

    RT1:D
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited March 2006
    I believe in oil. I have beat the pants off MY Heros.
    HA!!!:D

    You made me look!
    Sharp Elite 70
    Anthem D2V 3D
    Parasound 5250
    Parasound HCA 1000 A
    Parasound HCA 1000
    Oppo BDP 95
    Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
    Sony PS3
    Squeezebox Touch

    Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited March 2006
    BullShifter wrote:
    I wish I had that system, even just part of it.

    Anybody want to share some links for "luxury" audio equipment? I've seen enough cables, now it's time to salivate over amps & speakers.

    Here is an old thread:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15400
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited March 2006
    McLoki wrote:
    My minivan run(s) great, can hit almost every major speed limit in the US...
    Eff the audio discussion, I want to know what mini-van can't hit 80 MPH.... Have you tried high-end spark plug wires? ;)
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited March 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Eff the audio discussion, I want to know what mini-van can't hit 80 MPH.... Have you tried high-end spark plug wires? ;)
    actually it is a 2001 chrystler town and country with 113,000 miles on it. While it will hit 80mph, in true audio fashion - I am hoping that it will last long enough for me to get a decent pre-amp before I have to start making car payments again. :)

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited March 2006
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    I have irrefutable evidence that the connects between components have an effect on the musical potential of an audio system.

    RT1

    RT, you've tried twice and it seems that nobody wants to reply, but I appreciate your finding since I also tried the "no interconnect system" and can confirm that it had a drastic effect on sound quality; the speakers seemed to "disappear".
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,654
    edited March 2006
    Dead flat......
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited March 2006
    Ha, not where I was going but very true and can extraplilated to be included.

    RT1
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