probaby gonna pull trigger on OPPO

drew spelts
drew spelts Posts: 310
edited February 2006 in Electronics
Any input would be great.

I have done a lot of reviewing and it looks to me that if you want the best picture for $200 then the OPPO is the ONLY choice. Correct me if I am wrong but everyone says picture is breathtaking in highdef. Plus it is super compatible with about every type of disc out there. Well I will probably be purchasing one of these by Friday unless there is significant reason not to. Oh and I plan on buying a seperate CD player so non HT audio is no biggie.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2006
    I've heartd this before, got a link to whrre I can get more info etc? are these things in stores, or internet only? I'm assuming its a DVD player?
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    just google the words "oppo review" you get a ton of stuff and all reviews are very positive.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited February 2006
    shall do :)
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited February 2006
    I want this player as well. I read and was told that it only upconverts with HDMI/DVI.
    Then I found the LG, which can upconvert in component and DVI/HDMI. I am not sure which one to choose. The Oppo is which I am leaning towards.
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    Well I am planning on getting one within a couple days so I will make a big post of the review when I get it.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited February 2006
    How about the Cambridge Audio DVD-87?
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2006
    In keeping with the "price don't mean a damn thing" theme, this $200 Oppo outperformed every other DVD player ever tested (except the $3,500 Denon 5910) in the Secrets of Home Theater benchmark tests.

    Will the Oppo provide a significantly better picture quality than a Cambridge Audio 540D on a non-HDTV (e.g., Sony Trinitron WEGA 36" TV)?
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  • *Seby*-Polk-
    *Seby*-Polk- Posts: 375
    edited February 2006
    I never tried the OPPO. But for low bucks, you got 2 excellent choises:

    1) PIONEER DV 588A-S
    2) YAMAHA S-657

    Excellent picture quality (better Yamaha) and excellent sound (both) Try it :)
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  • millerman 3732
    millerman 3732 Posts: 1,488
    edited February 2006
    why not wait a couple of months and see what the HD and BlueRay players have to offer ?
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    because they will be expensive and completely unrefined. Would you even waste $20 on one of the first DVD players that came out..... I bet not. They suck, they skip, they pixilate. Even the crappy philips one I have now is about 3 or 5 times better than the first DVD players on the market. To me this seems like a no brainer especially if they are going to include a 5 foot DVI cable in with the bundle.
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    Oh, and I believe they said the cambridge can not plunge below black and about 6 other hickups along the way. I look at it like a car, You want one that will get you from A to B every day for at least 7 years withought any problems or hickups along the way.
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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    BTW the yamaha can only do 480p and costs more withought a DVI output. 2 and 2 are not adding up to why it would be better.
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  • millerman 3732
    millerman 3732 Posts: 1,488
    edited February 2006
    drew spelts wrote:
    because they will be expensive and completely unrefined. Would you even waste $20 on one of the first DVD players that came out..... I bet not. They suck, they skip, they pixilate. Even the crappy philips one I have now is about 3 or 5 times better than the first DVD players on the market. To me this seems like a no brainer especially if they are going to include a 5 foot DVI cable in with the bundle.
    your probably right but it wouldn't hurt to check them out I'am sure the oppo will still be around and might even be alittle cheaper with the new technologies coming out
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited February 2006
    *Seby*-Polk- wrote:
    I never tried the OPPO. But for low bucks, you got 2 excellent choises:

    1) PIONEER DV 588A-S
    2) YAMAHA S-657

    Excellent picture quality (better Yamaha) and excellent sound (both) Try it :)


    Do they upconvert to HD? I beleive this is the reason why he is looking at the Oppo besides it being a highly rated product for s/p quality
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  • *Seby*-Polk-
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    edited February 2006
    Willow wrote:
    Do they upconvert to HD? I beleive this is the reason why he is looking at the Oppo besides it being a highly rated product for s/p quality
    Nop. If that is the reason..get the OPPO...i don't know it....and never know it here.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    No matter how you look at it, the DVD source is 480. Scaling to a different resolution does not give you more detail. Focus on getting a DVD player with a good deinterlacer and not marketing buzz "Upconverts to HD!!!"

    A good 480p DVD output onto a TV with a native 480p resolution would be perfection.

    The only way an 'upscaling' DVD player will benefit you is if your TV also does upscaling to get the image into the TV's native resolution, and the TV's upscaler is inferior to the DVD players upscaler.

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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,064
    edited February 2006
    I've read that lots of people have noticed a difference on their LCD/Plasmas by upconverting. or is this all BS
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  • louhamilton
    louhamilton Posts: 209
    edited February 2006
    I have the Oppo and notice a significant difference on my Toshiba 34" CRT HDTV. Since it only does the upconversion over DVI, you will need an HD set to benefit from this. The Faroudja chip is only associated to the DVI interface, so connecting it to a TV via Component proves no benefit over other DVD players.

    I would highly recommend it if you arein the market for an interim DVD player until the HD-DVD/BRD was get settled.

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    Willow wrote:
    I've read that lots of people have noticed a difference on their LCD/Plasmas by upconverting. or is this all BS

    Your answer is in the 3rd paragraph of post 17.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited February 2006
    PolkThug wrote:
    No matter how you look at it, the DVD source is 480. Scaling to a different resolution does not give you more detail. Focus on getting a DVD player with a good deinterlacer and not marketing buzz "Upconverts to HD!!!"

    A good 480p DVD output onto a TV with a native 480p resolution would be perfection.

    The only way an 'upscaling' DVD player will benefit you is if your TV also does upscaling to get the image into the TV's native resolution, and the TV's upscaler is inferior to the DVD players upscaler.

    P-Thuggy


    Very good points, but you're leaving out the digital domain scaling & deinterlacing aspect of this. That's where you pick up the picture quality using an upscaling DVD player- it does this _before_ anything is shifted to analog for a much clearer picture and better deinterlacing.

    Is there new information? Nope, like you say, still just the 480 lines.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited February 2006
    Is this player ok for use with a DLP TV if you use the component outs and not tthe DVI? :confused:
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    unc2701 wrote:
    Very good points, but you're leaving out the digital domain scaling & deinterlacing aspect of this. That's where you pick up the picture quality using an upscaling DVD player- it does this _before_ anything is shifted to analog for a much clearer picture and better deinterlacing.

    Good info, which falls in line with my paragraph 3 above. We hope that the scaler is of good quality in the DVD player to take advantage of it.

    Is that the Oppo that got high ranks by Secrets of Home Theater Hifi? (I can't see that site from work).

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  • drew spelts
    drew spelts Posts: 310
    edited February 2006
    thanks guys for all the thoughts I really appriciate every single one even if it is critical.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2006
    Yes, I think it's ranked 2nd, right below the Denon 5910
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2006
    Actually, now with the new firmware - it's actually the #1 ranked DVD player, even above the 5910...just found that

    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all#Oppo%20DigitalOPDV971H%20(DVI)
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2006
    Sweet! I'm sure it kicks **** then.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2006
    unless they just designed their product to do well in those tests for marketing reasons. The only way that I'm basing my buying decision even in part on that review is if I have full confidence that their tests cover the full realm of testing (i.e. if a player passes their tests then it MUST be a good player because their tests are thorough).

    I don't know that yet about their tests...
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  • Ricardo
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    edited February 2006
    Polkmaniac wrote:
    Actually, now with the new firmware - it's actually the #1 ranked DVD player, even above the 5910...just found that

    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all#Oppo%20DigitalOPDV971H%20(DVI)


    Well, well, well...

    My Denon 1910 has a lousy 82% total, with 4 border lines and 3 fails (being layer change one of them...which I had learned already).

    I still think that the picture looks great using DVI output...but I think I know where my next upgrade is :rolleyes:
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited February 2006
    Polkmaniac wrote:
    unless they just designed their product to do well in those tests for marketing reasons. The only way that I'm basing my buying decision even in part on that review is if I have full confidence that their tests cover the full realm of testing (i.e. if a player passes their tests then it MUST be a good player because their tests are thorough).

    I don't know that yet about their tests...

    Polk,

    Even if their tests did not cover the full realm of all tests and even if they were not the most thorough in the world, isn't it still amazing how a $199 DVD player (with even those limited amount of tests, ahem!) could out-perform over 250 other DVD players? Some of those players being over 10 times the cost of this player!

    Heck, it is so cheap, I am thinking about buying it even though I do not need another DVD player. This can only be a win-win situation.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,728
    edited February 2006
    Holydoc wrote:
    Polk,

    Even if their tests did not cover the full realm of all tests and even if they were not the most thorough in the world, isn't it still amazing how a $199 DVD player (with even those limited amount of tests, ahem!) could out-perform over 250 other DVD players? Some of those players being over 10 times the cost of this player!

    Heck, it is so cheap, I am thinking about buying it even though I do not need another DVD player. This can only be a win-win situation.
    If their tests are meaningful and comprehensive, then yes. But what if they're testing only a few things, and neglecting other more important things?

    Then if I'm Oppo, I just make a DVD player that does well in those tests, but still looks like **** because they just built it to do well on a set of few tests, but disregarded the other tests.

    Based on the reviews I'm reading online, this doesn't appear to be the case, it looks like a really good player, but it's still a possibility.

    I was more just pointing this out to illustrate the dangers of judging a product on a single benchmark or set of tests - I'm sure this is a great player...
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