The truth about BOSE speakers?????
BrentMcGhee
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Wow! that is all i could say after i read this. This is an article written by an extremly pro bose guy. i could not beleive that this is how millions of people think.
here is the article he wrote; (This will be split into more than 1 post becasue the article is so long)
The TRUTH about Bose Speakers
Alright, everywhere I look on the web, people are bashing Bose speakers. Now, I'm not sure why this is, but the majority of the arguments seem to be blatant lies or misperceptions by tone-deaf bots that are just jumping on the Bose-bashing bandwagon. Also, one of the more common arguments I've seen is without a doubt made by pompous arrogant individuals who know very little about speakers, or much of anything else for that matter. Below is a collection of postings of arguments *against* Bose speakers, and below each ingenious attempt to bash them are the flaws that I see in their argument(s). Enjoy.
> Well, I'll try to give you an idea of where the prejudice is based,
> and any others who want to join in, go ahead. First of all, Bose
> projects itself as a high-end company with "ground-breaking research"
> on their products. Most of these "ground-breaking" inventions are
> little more than gimmicks, because if they were truly
> revolutionary, wouldn't you see other speaker brands rushing out for
> Bose technology?
===> Now this guy, whomever he is/was, is one of the abovementioned pompous individuals. You see, in this lovely country that many of us reside within called the United States of America (that's where I'm at and where Bose headquarters is so deal), we have these things called Patents. For the benefit of any members of my younger audience who may not yet be familiar with what these are, as well as for uneducated clones who like to bash anyone/thing that seems to be better than all the rest just because everyone else is doing it, I'll explain what they are and what they mean in a nutshell. A Patent is a little piece of paper on record with the United States Patent and Trademark Office stating that you and those you directly authorize are the only ones allowed to lay claim and/or use whatever it is you have patented. This means that, say for example, your company had a breakthrough in speaker technology and didn't want everybody in the world copying it, you could file a patent and then they can't... or at least, they couldn't make any money off of it (ie giving away the speakers)...but that wouldn't be too good for that company's revenues in my opinion. Hmmm...now, considering the fact that every Bose technology is patented, it's not actually possible for anybody else ot rush out and use their technology, is it? (The answer is no for the intellectually challenged folks out there on IRC who were trying to figure it out)
> > 1) BOSE AM7
> > 2) 3-NHT Subzero plus SW-2P
> > 3) 3-NHT 1.1 plus SW-2P
> > 4) 2-Paradigm Mini-Mk3 plus CC-300, plus PS-1000
> > Well I've heard all 3 of these systems and my opinion is that the
> Paradigms blow the others away!!! Personally I wouldnt own a Bose
> product if it was free and the NHT's just left me hollow
> Go with the Paradigms.
===> Ummmm...ok...sure, without any specific points whatsoever, we're going to take your opinion on speakers, even though you might be listening to recordings of the emergency broadcast system on them, or worse yet: Nirvana or Pearl Jam. (Yes I hate both groups and that's my opinion even though at least half of it isn't very popular...IDGAF!)
I just bought a set of 5 SuperZeros with the SW2P and am VERY happy with
them. Stay away from the Bose speakers!!!
===> Yet another opinion from a genius with no backing or examples whatsoever, yet proudly flaunting his ignorance to the world...must be great to be so blissfully naive.
There are NO good Bose speakers--they're all over-priced crappy gimmicks.
===> (Notice the incredibly large vocabulary of the author; I wish I could have used words like that in english class, but unfortunately, they were focusing on English and not intro to Ebonics.)
Bose in general, are very well marketed, hence the great sales. A lot of
===>So since they can afford to advertise, they're automatically "crappy"?
people are very intimidated by the prospect of buy audio gear, and are
===> "buy audio gear"...yeah, this guy was an English major...definately
glad to find an easy answer. And the sound of the Bose AM series (esp.)
is calculated (in my opinion) to reinforce quick sales. They have mid and
===> he noted that it was in his opinion...impressive...there may be hope for him yet...
upper bass bloat that impresses on first listen. Also the middle highs
are excessively "hot" and really attract your attention. So, when you
compare them to the common dreck out there, they sound impressive, and
===> Yes, they do sound VERY impressive in my opinion...but I'll elaborate on that at the end.
sell well.
But, IMHO they do not come very close at all to the quality of some other
speakers. Their midrange is severely lacking--those 2" drivers just don't
have the ability to move enough air in this critical area. One the upper
===> I'm not an expert, but I didn't think anything but woofers were supposed to move air significantly...but I could be wrong...let's move on...this guy is actually going into detail...I'm impressed.
end, the 2" driver's dispersion gets very narrow, and this is not somethng
that adjusting the angles of those cubes will really help. The crossover
point to the woofer unit is much higher than what it should be to keep the
bass unit "invisible". And, it's lower bass extension is not nearly deep
enough to be called a SUBwoofer. I've talked to people that have easily
===> For starters, Bose does NOT call it a "SUBwoofer". It is referred to by them as a "Bass Module" since it isn't powered. However, we ran a test on the frequency response of the speakers on the lower frequencies, and the Bose Bass Module managed to hit 38Hz with no difficulty, and effectively knocked over many things on the surrounding dressers. This gentleman is therefore confusing opinions with facts. Or it could be that he's just tone deaf and can't tell the difference between the high, hard hitting bass (that I personally find painful) pumped out by many of today's "SUBwoofer"s and true deep, rich bass like that from the Bose speaker system.
gotten the bass unit's port making all sorts of chuffing and air
turbulance noise.
===> Sure, if you try hard enough, you can get *any* speaker system to have a problem somewhere...if you try hard enough to find a flaw in anything, you will find one whether it exists or not.
The bottom line is that you can get a lot better sounding speakers for
less money. My personal favorite is the Mini Reference System from RA
Labs, which costs $509. For starters, it uses 6 inch midrange drivers AND
a 1 inch tweeters in it's satellite speakers. This gives it the ability
===> 6 inch anythings and the satellites are going to be HUGE comparatively.
the Bose system, and sound better doing it. (You can get just these
===> He conceeds that the Bose have better range! (I cannot attest one way or another as to the quality of RA speakers)
satellite speakers for $208/pr. for surrounds.) The woofer unit uses TWO
8 inch drivers and has lower extension (and lower distortion) than the
===> a pair of 8 inch drivers? The thing must be MONSTROUS!
Bose. It plays down into the mid-30 Hz range, which is lower than most
music goes. RA Labs' phone number is (800) 651-7444.
===> This is true for the most part, but not significantly lower than the Bose...so what's the point again...? And besides, most humans can't hear that low, and we've vibrated 2 floors of a dorm building at 20% volume on a 100 Watt reciever @ about 70Hz
You do have to accept larger satellite speakers, but the sound quality in
===> He conceeds the size problem!
the midrange and upper bass requires this. Other speakers, such as Dana
===> Hmmm...seems to have dropped his argument about the Bass being better...can't imagine why.
here is the article he wrote; (This will be split into more than 1 post becasue the article is so long)
The TRUTH about Bose Speakers
Alright, everywhere I look on the web, people are bashing Bose speakers. Now, I'm not sure why this is, but the majority of the arguments seem to be blatant lies or misperceptions by tone-deaf bots that are just jumping on the Bose-bashing bandwagon. Also, one of the more common arguments I've seen is without a doubt made by pompous arrogant individuals who know very little about speakers, or much of anything else for that matter. Below is a collection of postings of arguments *against* Bose speakers, and below each ingenious attempt to bash them are the flaws that I see in their argument(s). Enjoy.
> Well, I'll try to give you an idea of where the prejudice is based,
> and any others who want to join in, go ahead. First of all, Bose
> projects itself as a high-end company with "ground-breaking research"
> on their products. Most of these "ground-breaking" inventions are
> little more than gimmicks, because if they were truly
> revolutionary, wouldn't you see other speaker brands rushing out for
> Bose technology?
===> Now this guy, whomever he is/was, is one of the abovementioned pompous individuals. You see, in this lovely country that many of us reside within called the United States of America (that's where I'm at and where Bose headquarters is so deal), we have these things called Patents. For the benefit of any members of my younger audience who may not yet be familiar with what these are, as well as for uneducated clones who like to bash anyone/thing that seems to be better than all the rest just because everyone else is doing it, I'll explain what they are and what they mean in a nutshell. A Patent is a little piece of paper on record with the United States Patent and Trademark Office stating that you and those you directly authorize are the only ones allowed to lay claim and/or use whatever it is you have patented. This means that, say for example, your company had a breakthrough in speaker technology and didn't want everybody in the world copying it, you could file a patent and then they can't... or at least, they couldn't make any money off of it (ie giving away the speakers)...but that wouldn't be too good for that company's revenues in my opinion. Hmmm...now, considering the fact that every Bose technology is patented, it's not actually possible for anybody else ot rush out and use their technology, is it? (The answer is no for the intellectually challenged folks out there on IRC who were trying to figure it out)
> > 1) BOSE AM7
> > 2) 3-NHT Subzero plus SW-2P
> > 3) 3-NHT 1.1 plus SW-2P
> > 4) 2-Paradigm Mini-Mk3 plus CC-300, plus PS-1000
> > Well I've heard all 3 of these systems and my opinion is that the
> Paradigms blow the others away!!! Personally I wouldnt own a Bose
> product if it was free and the NHT's just left me hollow
> Go with the Paradigms.
===> Ummmm...ok...sure, without any specific points whatsoever, we're going to take your opinion on speakers, even though you might be listening to recordings of the emergency broadcast system on them, or worse yet: Nirvana or Pearl Jam. (Yes I hate both groups and that's my opinion even though at least half of it isn't very popular...IDGAF!)
I just bought a set of 5 SuperZeros with the SW2P and am VERY happy with
them. Stay away from the Bose speakers!!!
===> Yet another opinion from a genius with no backing or examples whatsoever, yet proudly flaunting his ignorance to the world...must be great to be so blissfully naive.
There are NO good Bose speakers--they're all over-priced crappy gimmicks.
===> (Notice the incredibly large vocabulary of the author; I wish I could have used words like that in english class, but unfortunately, they were focusing on English and not intro to Ebonics.)
Bose in general, are very well marketed, hence the great sales. A lot of
===>So since they can afford to advertise, they're automatically "crappy"?
people are very intimidated by the prospect of buy audio gear, and are
===> "buy audio gear"...yeah, this guy was an English major...definately
glad to find an easy answer. And the sound of the Bose AM series (esp.)
is calculated (in my opinion) to reinforce quick sales. They have mid and
===> he noted that it was in his opinion...impressive...there may be hope for him yet...
upper bass bloat that impresses on first listen. Also the middle highs
are excessively "hot" and really attract your attention. So, when you
compare them to the common dreck out there, they sound impressive, and
===> Yes, they do sound VERY impressive in my opinion...but I'll elaborate on that at the end.
sell well.
But, IMHO they do not come very close at all to the quality of some other
speakers. Their midrange is severely lacking--those 2" drivers just don't
have the ability to move enough air in this critical area. One the upper
===> I'm not an expert, but I didn't think anything but woofers were supposed to move air significantly...but I could be wrong...let's move on...this guy is actually going into detail...I'm impressed.
end, the 2" driver's dispersion gets very narrow, and this is not somethng
that adjusting the angles of those cubes will really help. The crossover
point to the woofer unit is much higher than what it should be to keep the
bass unit "invisible". And, it's lower bass extension is not nearly deep
enough to be called a SUBwoofer. I've talked to people that have easily
===> For starters, Bose does NOT call it a "SUBwoofer". It is referred to by them as a "Bass Module" since it isn't powered. However, we ran a test on the frequency response of the speakers on the lower frequencies, and the Bose Bass Module managed to hit 38Hz with no difficulty, and effectively knocked over many things on the surrounding dressers. This gentleman is therefore confusing opinions with facts. Or it could be that he's just tone deaf and can't tell the difference between the high, hard hitting bass (that I personally find painful) pumped out by many of today's "SUBwoofer"s and true deep, rich bass like that from the Bose speaker system.
gotten the bass unit's port making all sorts of chuffing and air
turbulance noise.
===> Sure, if you try hard enough, you can get *any* speaker system to have a problem somewhere...if you try hard enough to find a flaw in anything, you will find one whether it exists or not.
The bottom line is that you can get a lot better sounding speakers for
less money. My personal favorite is the Mini Reference System from RA
Labs, which costs $509. For starters, it uses 6 inch midrange drivers AND
a 1 inch tweeters in it's satellite speakers. This gives it the ability
===> 6 inch anythings and the satellites are going to be HUGE comparatively.
the Bose system, and sound better doing it. (You can get just these
===> He conceeds that the Bose have better range! (I cannot attest one way or another as to the quality of RA speakers)
satellite speakers for $208/pr. for surrounds.) The woofer unit uses TWO
8 inch drivers and has lower extension (and lower distortion) than the
===> a pair of 8 inch drivers? The thing must be MONSTROUS!
Bose. It plays down into the mid-30 Hz range, which is lower than most
music goes. RA Labs' phone number is (800) 651-7444.
===> This is true for the most part, but not significantly lower than the Bose...so what's the point again...? And besides, most humans can't hear that low, and we've vibrated 2 floors of a dorm building at 20% volume on a 100 Watt reciever @ about 70Hz
You do have to accept larger satellite speakers, but the sound quality in
===> He conceeds the size problem!
the midrange and upper bass requires this. Other speakers, such as Dana
===> Hmmm...seems to have dropped his argument about the Bass being better...can't imagine why.
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Audio, Celestion, NHT, Cambridge Sound Works, B&W, PSB, Paradigm, Mirage,
all have larger satellites than the Bose. Some are smaller than others
===> Obviously he's out of touch; the Cambridge speakers that I saw had satellites smaller than Bose.
(KLH and JBL have some very small satellites, and they use "real" tweeters
and midrange drivers), but you get the point.
===> Yes, I do get the point...he made a much more substantial argument than all those previous; this gentleman obviously had at least some clue and did some research. However, to highlight the article, he was mistaken about the bass response on the Bose "Bass Module" (that is fact; it has been tested to at least 38Hz), he must have done some test to get the frequency response on the sub module for the RA Labs set, but he didn't list it; and for a couple Hz lower, you have to go from a 1 - 3 woofer module (depending on which set of Acoustimass speakers you bought), consisting of 5 1/4" woofers, to a dual 8" woofer module for literally a difference in maximum bass response that is not noticeable by human hearing (38 Hz compared to even 30Hz and I know nobody who could differentiate between the two) , and the RA Labs speakers were much, much larger in all aspects.
>I am finally considering buying a decent music system for the under
>NZ$4000 (about US$2000) price range. I have listened to a few
>systems, but not being an audiophile (yet) I am keen to hear what
>others have to say about the Bose Lifestyle 5 series 2 system, and
>about Bose in general.
Lord Almighty, STOP! For the amount of money you're spending you can
get far, far superior quality to Bose. I suggest you read the "Bose
===> I've heard this claim before; yet to see it proved.
FAQ" that's floating around here somewhere--can someone send a copy to
this guy?
The lifestye system is the most overhyped, over-agressively marketed
===> Odd...never seen a commercial for any Bose product 'cep the Wave ® radio...but then again, I have a life and don't watch that much TV.
piece of crap the audio world's ever seen, and before anyone starts
===> From his eloquent choice of words, I'm assuming this gentleman went to the same school as the previous one.
giving me crap, let me say that I know this from unfortunate
experience. Totally directional "bass," muddy midrange....gah, the list
goes on....
===> Does it now? Where?
>Bose AMs don't have style. They're just small and therefore
===> Is that why everyone who visits our dorm room begins to drool and the words "whoah" and "wow" are the 2 most commonly uttered after they regain the power of speech?
>unobtrusive. If you want loads of style and a modicum of sound
===> modicum : small or tiny amount (big word that I didn't know!!!)
>For the same or less money in a sat-sub setup, and much better sound,
===> Ok...he's implying that they have no sound, and then saying for "much better sound" go here...seems like he tried to sound too pompous and sophisticated and didn't quite make it...but maybe that's just me and my stupid CS major english skills (or lack thereof)
look at:
>
>B&W Solid series
>NHT zeros and an NHT sub
>Cambridge Soundworks
>Wharfedale Diamond VI and Modus passive sub ($650/set, list)
>a/d/s/ (have been making some of the very best tiny satellites
> for over 20 years); you can get a sat/powered sub from them
> starting at under $1000.
>Polk
>Infinity
>Advent
===> "Look! These are all better because I think they are and that makes it a fact!" No, I'm afraid not...some details such as those the previous person provided might make me a little more inclined to give a modicum of credit to your argument, but since you didn't, I think it should be credited as nothing more than the rants of an overgrown child who has too much time and money on his hands.
I would like to add to this list Paradigm Titans and PS-1000 sub.
>About the only thing Bose AMs have over the above is that you can buy
>them in a grocery store.
===> Ahhhh...such wit; I wonder which grocery stores he's been frequenting.
very funny!
===> Not really, but ok...
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I tend to think of Bose products as self-esteem enhancement devices.
===> Since he has specified that it is his opinion, I am impressed and will therefore give him props.
That is, people who want to buy the systems for the convenience of the
package tend to buy rack systems. They really couldn't care less about
the sound, as long as it is "room filling." Personally I don't care if
someone wants to shell out $500 for a **** stereo system, when, for $700
===> ****? Whoah! Musta learned that one in AP English! They never taught us such cool adjectives in school!
or so, they can get a fantastic sounding one. (really, it can be done)
===> really? I don't recall any suggestions on how or with what.
What scares me is when they shell out $1000 for one that doesn't sound
nearly as good as my $700 one, and do it just to say "I bought a $1000
===> If you are a conscientious (sp?) shopper, you could get the same system as someone else and one of you could pay hundreds less.
system." And that is the realm of the Bose Corporation. They overdesign
their products and use that design to market their products. They don't
===> So they overdesign them how if they're not designing them for sound? To match this years fall wardrobe?
use the sound. The Lifestyle System would be in my home (as a second or
third system) if it didn't cost so much and didn't have those terrible
==> if you have the money to buy more than one, why not just buy a really good one in the first place?
speakers...
===> cute...mildly amusing conclusion...Kudos!
===> summation : This guy made alotta noise and didn't give any facts... is it just me, or do you also begin to see a trend in the vast majority of all these anti-Bose postings?
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Tom Morley wrote:
>Bose acoustimass. Pitchless blobs of low mid disguised
>as bass. Tizzy upper mid noises disguising a lack of
>treble.
>Truly awful
===> Hmmmm...tend to disagree and you haven't given any reasons for this but ok...if you insist...:)
Hey, I owned these speakers years ago and they are, well, awful. They are
===> Yeah, this comment from a guy who likes records...sure (can we say "Herd Mentality"? I thought so)
not the worst speakers I've heard but pretty dame close. Very close.
===> Really? Hmmm...maybe if you listened to some music that actually took advantage of them (ie soemthing other than U2 and the likes thereof) or used say...CDs which actually have good sound quality to start out with, your opinions might actually have some basis.
Michau
==> I got all the above articles and the next one from this guy's web page @ www.duke.edu/~fh1 stop by and you'll see what I'm babbling about.
Subject: Re: What are the worst loudspeakers you've ever heard?
For me, this one is too easy. In terms of price, it has to be the Bose
901's. I can't actually believe people still buy the same (almost
virtually unchanged, just a new grill/paint sceme) model/design thats
close to if not over 25 years old. My fathers 1968 Pioneers were just as
===> Really? You sure? Hmmm...they seem to think it's more like Thousands of improvements...but hey, what do they know compared to you, right? After all, they just designed and created them, that's all. And you...did what again? (Stop by the Bose Website if you wanna see for yourself.
horrible, but at least he didnt pay $1000 for them. Of course I can't
really say much, I was the clueless wonder who asked for a pair of Bose
601's for X-mas when I was 14. However, I will defend to the end that
===> Awe, isn't that sweet? Mommy and daddy bought you a pair of speakers that cost more than $1000 for Christmas and you're ungrateful...how touching and...typical.
the 601's were Bose's best sounding speaker, at least the most
conventional anyway.
===> Bose never claimed to be conventional; they're just great speakers.
My personal opinions and facts I've found.
Ok, I have the Acoustimass 10 set...which is 5 double cubes and a 3 woofer sub. For starters, it goes for around $1000 which is quite expensive yes. Prior to this, I had a pair of KLH speakers with 15" woofers (big huh?) Now, it is virtually impossible to match the overall power of these speakers with any others short of making others with 12" woofers that were of incredible quality or making ones with even bigger woofers. However, I hooked up my Bose which was incredibly simple since everything was labelled and set up so that it's virtually impossible to set it up wrong unless you can't read. After playing Ride of the Valkyries on it, all the members of my suite (6) and 4 people from next door were thoroughly impressed. The overall range of sound was excellent, and the speakers put out such crisp sound that I almost cried. Then we tried torture tests to see what they could really do. We put on Heather Nova's Oyster, Track 3 (Island), where she hits a high note that utterly destroyed my Pioneer speakers instantly (they were replaced by the KLHs); again we were very impressed. Then came the opposite test : Techno. We put on Orbital's Halcyon+on+on, and proceeded to feel the bass module in action. The next day, once everybody in the surrounding suites was awake, I decided to really put these suckers to the test. I started with Real McCoy's Another Night CD, using track 5 (Sleeping With An Angel) which, for some bizarre reason, has WAY too much background bass, and it proceeded to make our (mine and my roommate's) dressers vibrate so badly that I thought the center channel was going to fall off the TV (luckily though the little footpad thingy's gave it some semblance of traction/stickiness). Then, a couple days later, while playing the Mortal Kombat soundtrack (for the first movie), I realized that track 4 (Psykosonik's Unlearn (some remixoranother)) hit just a bit hard and was proceeding to vibrate the surrounding rooms. Before I could reach the knob to turn it down, my friend next door called to ask if I was the source of the constant booming shaking him from sleep. Also, I used a CD a friend of mine in the suite owns to test the actual response of the bass module. It counts backwards from 150 Hz down to 20. The Bose continued to shake the entire room all the way to 38 Hz (even though I couldn't really hear it) and then I hit stop because that was more than impressive enough for me. And of course, Enya sounds even MORE incredible on the Bose than any other system I've heard her on to date. So, if you've got the money, get the Bose; they have incredible sound for all types of music (only thing we haven't played on them was country and rap...sorry, but I have taste). The Acoustimass 10 is a home theatre system, so when we watched The Fifth Element and Men In Black on it, we (myself, my girlfriend, and many friends from the building and elsewhere) were very happy with it. Why then, you may ask, does everybody seem to want to bash Bose and say they're **** when they are quite the opposite? Simple : people can't stand the fact that something can be that much better than everything else and flaunt it, so they have to tear it down by any means possible. Also, most of the opinions you find out there are from IRC junkies with no lives and too much time on their hands (in my opinion). One more additional note : the entirety of this surround system (without the bass module) can fit in a small to medium sized bookbag; the entire thing can fit in a large one...so when that's taken into account, these speakers are even more impressive.
One more thing that I've recently discovered first hand : Placement is probably THE most important thing with these speakers. I had to move and so at my new place I mounted them from the ceiling and DAMN do they sound even BETTER now...I can see how placing them poorly would probably have the reverse effect (they were placed ok @ my old room but because of size constraints, we couldn't do what I wanted to).
That's all I've got to say about that; the truth is now out there (to paraphrase the X-Files). -
Man, that's sad.
The Bass Module played all the way down to 38Hz! Wow!! :rolleyes:
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Pioneer Elite VSX-52, Parasound HCA-1000A
Klipsch RF-82ii, RC-62ii, RS-42ii, RW-10d
Epson 8700UB
In Storage
[Home Audio]
Rotel RCD-02, Yamaha KX-W900U, Sony ST-S500ES, Denon DP-7F
Pro-Ject Phono Box MKII, Parasound P/HP-850, ASL Wave 20 monoblocks
Klipsch RF-35, RB-51ii
[Car Audio]
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I suppose his motto is "Defending Bose since 1997".
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"yeah, this guy was an English major...definately"
i have to say, this was far and away my favorite quote from this lil' treasure..
as he managed to flaunt his grammatical prowess over others with a misspelling of his own
trivial i know.. but it gave me a good chuckle
I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
What a moron.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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"However, we ran a test on the frequency response of the speakers on the lower frequencies, and the Bose Bass Module managed to hit 38Hz with no difficulty, and effectively knocked over many things on the surrounding dressers"
Oh ****, I gotta get me some of these! Gentlemen, a pair of SDA SRS 2.3's are for sale so I can get these thunderboxes! :rolleyes:
What a ****! Notice most of his responses are grammar bashings and making fun of people. Very little technical counterpoints.
Bose - Better Sales through BullshittingNo excuses! -
Wow....he must be a die-hard audiophile if his previous sets of speakers were KLH and Pioneer. I'll chalk this one up to the rantings of a lunatic .
Those who don't know, don't know they don't know
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john d. strong wrote:Oh ****, I gotta get me some of these! Gentlemen, a pair of SDA SRS 2.3's are for sale so I can get these thunderboxes! :rolleyes:
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I love how his only defense of the bose is that its smaller. Saying that a dual 8 inch sub must be monsterous, but not having anything else bad to say. personaly I dont want to hear anything from 10-38hz or 150-200hz for me those frequencies just ruin the experience. I also LOVED how he said he had a life so he dosent watch much tv, yet he has the time to write something like that. nitpicking at every small grammatical error. And on top of that he must be racist, judging by his remark about ebonics. and never did he mention that you can buy the exact model replacement mid-tweeters for about 10$.dvd player: samsung DVD-HD850
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HBombToo wrote:Brent where the heck did you get this?
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does anyone else get physically angry when they read this? I want to take people like this and beat them with a bose cube, even though that won't really hurt much with such little weight. I feel like ranting on this guy but seeing it's not him on here posting it, it's worthless to preach to the choir.Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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BOSE Cube, lifestyle, et al - I don't like... and really don't get the people who do frankly (after listening to many systems in many friends living rooms...) at all but I do have to say that I used to own a set of Bose 901 Series VII's and they were a pretty damn nice sounding speaker... albeit at a substantially higher price tag.VA HT HK AVR20II, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Polk Audio RC80i / Polk Audio CSi3, 60" Panasonic Plasma, Nordost / Signal Cable A2 / Wireworld / Pangea / Magic Power
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Toxis wrote:does anyone else get physically angry when they read this? I want to take people like this and beat them with a bose cube, even though that won't really hurt much with such little weight. I feel like ranting on this guy but seeing it's not him on here posting it, it's worthless to preach to the choir.
Yes i do get physically angry...... I thought i was the only one that actually got angry when thinking of not just bose beleivers but the general publics view about what is quality about anything -
Is it illegal to kill people like this? Seriously...is it?
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I am a new man.
This info was so revealing that I can't even argue. I mean this guy talks about all the other short posts as being b.s. and then he makes up crap about the neighbors in the dorm being impressed that his music penetrated their ears in another room?
My system can annoy my neighbors. Neighbors. Neighborhood. Not the room conected to mine but the room across the street or next door.
My neighbors should be all over me trying to find out what I use so they can follow my lead.
Before I knew better I gave bose a listen in one of those big box stores and I just knew there was something I didn't like about them. After I got to listen to some nicer rigs I realized how lucky I was that I didn't listen to the high pressure salesman.
I might actually have a bose system in my garage right now if I had trusted the salesman insted of my own ears.
I just did not like them and I do not have to prove I didn't like them to this jack off. He can go buy whatever and impress whoever I don't care. I am just glad my ears steered me in the right direction.Skynut
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MSkeezer wrote:Is it illegal to kill people like this? Seriously...is it?
No, go right ahead.
I'll be back in an hour to edit this.Skynut
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Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
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MrBuhl wrote:BOSE Cube, lifestyle, et al - I don't like... and really don't get the people who do frankly (after listening to many systems in many friends living rooms...) at all but I do have to say that I used to own a set of Bose 901 Series VII's and they were a pretty damn nice sounding speaker... albeit at a substantially higher price tag.
I'll second that. I had a pair of Bose 901 Series VI I ran for 14 years. I sold them, 14 years old, for the same price I paid for them new ($799/pr Army PX).
Set-up properly, with enough power, the 901's can be pretty damn impressive. Especially for die-hard rock n rollers. They need about 400 watts/rms to really breathe correctly, be about 8-10 feet apart and about 11" off the rear wall. Never connect the EQ "between" the preamp and amp---buy a pre with a processor loop, that gives you the best sound. Right, wrong, or otherwise; they fill a room with tons of glorious sound.
Listener fatique is ZERO. They will tame any CD, this is where their popularity lies. With a treble extension of only about 13.5kHz, there's no "digi-tidis" so to speak...they make everything sound analog. Now, are they worth $1400 bucks? That dear listeners, depends on how much you like them...
There's 2 types of audiophiles; those who listen to equipment, and those who listen to music. Most Bose 901 owners belong to the latter group, I know I did (and still do).Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
===> cute...mildly amusing conclusion...Kudos!
===> summation : This guy made alotta noise and didn't give any facts... is it just me, or do you also begin to see a trend in the vast majority of all these anti-Bose postings?
Umm...ok...so where are your facts
>Bose acoustimass. Pitchless blobs of low mid disguised
>as bass. Tizzy upper mid noises disguising a lack of
>treble.
>Truly awful
===> Hmmmm...tend to disagree and you haven't given any reasons for this but ok...if you insist...:)
And where are your reasons to disagree????Hey, I owned these speakers years ago and they are, well, awful. They are
===> Yeah, this comment from a guy who likes records...sure (can we say "Herd Mentality"? I thought so)
Ok, so now your bashing the people that love records. Also, it seems that your saying that Bose is not good for records, yet another reason not to buy them.not the worst speakers I've heard but pretty dame close. Very close.
===> Really? Hmmm...maybe if you listened to some music that actually took advantage of them (ie soemthing other than U2 and the likes thereof) or used say...CDs which actually have good sound quality to start out with, your opinions might actually have some basis.
Again, Bose is made for only a certain type of music?? Where is the list? Do they come with a warning saying "Please do not play these types of music..." Again, another reason not to buy them.Before I could reach the knob to turn it down, my friend next door called to ask if I was the source of the constant booming shaking him from sleep.
Yep, that's about all you'll get of of that bass module...lots of "BOOM" amd not much else.Also, most of the opinions you find out there are from IRC junkies with no lives and too much time on their hands (in my opinion). One more additional note : the entirety of this surround system (without the bass module) can fit in a small to medium sized bookbag; the entire thing can fit in a large one...so when that's taken into account, these speakers are even more impressive.
Yet another opinion with someone with no life...That's all I've got to say about that; the truth is now out there (to paraphrase the X-Files).
Ok, what truth? The truth that you just ripped on peoples opinions about Bose with no or very little information to defend them. So far you describe even more ways that Bose suck. Thank you. SYSTEM
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try working in the industry for a store that basically only advertises HTiB's! People come in all the time and want to hear a JVC HTiB. "Oh man that sounds good!" I have to stay quiet so often. "Well what do you recommend?" "I recommend you buy something other than a transister radio." You'd be surprised how many people hear a sound and think it sounds good. They just seem to be impressed they're hearing noise.BrentMcGhee wrote:Yes i do get physically angry...... I thought i was the only one that actually got angry when thinking of not just bose beleivers but the general publics view about what is quality about anythingNever kick a fresh **** on a hot day.
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you can`t patent technology, just the way you achieve it..
if that were the case , there would only be one company for each and every product developed
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It's sad, but I wish I had the Bose magic touch. Everything they make turns to gold. I have a brother in law and another friend who bought Bose HT in a box because "they always wanted to own them". Scary thing is they are creating a new generation of brainwashed Bose customers who will throw lots of cash at a low end product.Carl
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You guys really want the truth behind Bose???
Simple people like em and they sell.
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As was stated many times, Bose does one thing very well...marketing.
Go into a Bose store and notice how nice it looks. They have nicely designed rooms for listening and have nice furniture. Thick cushy leather couch. Nice lay-z-boy recliners. The appearance of the store is to give the illusion of a high end market. So is the price.
When you sit to listen, there are no other manufacturers to compare with. The salesman/lady is trained to "tell you" that you are listening to high end state of the art speakers. Again, nothing to compare with, so they must be right. Why would such nice people lie to us?
Ever see the Bose Wave Radio infomercial on TV? Yeah, theres a classic musician sitting there behind a VERY expensive (probably) Steinway piano with a high gloss black shine...again...to give the appearance of a high end market. Heck, there's a rich musician playing one of the best pianos made and he's telling us that theres no way to distinguish him playing or the bose wave radio playing. Holy ****, thats incredible!!!
Now, go into a Bose and have a look at the guts of a Wave radio. TOTAL JUNK!!!! It's laughable! Don't forget to look at the clear bass module with the styrofoam beads that move back and forth.
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One more thing about Bose. They were a dying company. We couldn't sell anything of theirs except an occasion 301 to a college freshman in the mid-1980's. The trick of having the customer walk around the room and hear the exact same sound wasn't working anymore. Then they rolled the dice and came out with their satellite system. They weren't the first but with their marketing they made it seem that way. Bose knew they had a winner, cranked up the marketing, then went after the table top clock radio market.
Brand name recognition is everything when selling mass market. That way those who have no clue as to quality will go for the name. Bose has the name, therefore they get the sales.Review Site_ (((AudioPursuit)))
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The truth about Bose is some people like em and some people hate em out of jealousy cause they are so popular for w/e reasons.
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I couldn't belive he actually went as far as to try and insult the guy for liking records. He totally shattered any credibility he might have had going for himself (not really any -- just diggin g the hole deeper).
Parts of it were funny, while others were sad.
38Hz!!! wow I better throw out my sub and get one of those 'modules' because I no longer need to hear or sound 20Hz when I can feel the immense bass of those three 5-1/4" drivers dig oh so deep! NHT bookshelves dig just about as deep as one of those styrofoam moving pieces of crap.
"For starters, Bose does NOT call it a "SUBwoofer". It is referred to by them as a "Bass Module" since it isn't powered." Of course it's not a 'subwoofer' because it's not powered right? Has this guy never heard of a passive sub? -
michael_w wrote:"For starters, Bose does NOT call it a "SUBwoofer". It is referred to by them as a "Bass Module" since it isn't powered." Of course it's not a 'subwoofer' because it's not powered right? Has this guy never heard of a passive sub?
Being powered or not, doesn't qualify a speaker as being a "subwoofer".
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