SDA SRS 2.3 Setup Question

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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Bob,
    JCL,
    Sounds like the Sub-bass are indeed getting the stereo feed. Would you mind doing one more check for confirmation?
    With the SDA IC in place, check the left speaker with either the balance all the way to the right channel or the left speaker's speaker wire disconnected.
    Should remove the remaining trace of doubt I have...

    I'll try that as soon as I can. My Sunfire doesn't have a ballance control other than the surround calibration so I will have to hook up my 2 channel pre to them so that will take a little while. I did this when I got them and if I remember correctly all speakers worked as described by Ken. I have disconnected the speaker wires from one channel but because this early model of 2.3 used a single wire IC and there will be no signal going to the other speaker from the IC so it won't produce any sound. I talked to Ken about the IC design for this model a long time ago and Polk set them up like this to avoid frying a non CG amp.
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited February 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Bob,
    Just the way I am reading the first line of your self-quoted post. Taken alone, it means something different to me. But it would not be the first time I have had a different "take" on something... I'm used to it.. :)

    That's OK Bruce. Sometimes I explain things with my elbows. :)
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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    BobMcG wrote:
    Nope. That'd be like tring to make SRSs into 1.2s.

    Not only are the cabinets different but so are the crossovers and tweeters. To Add: Not to mention the mids aren't all the same either.


    I'm not sure I understand your post Bob but, I believe there was only one crossover in the 2.3 design not a left and right handed version. I checked the spare parts list and only found one type for the 2.3, BE 2200-A(http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/service/parts/partslist.php3?item=crossovers). I wasn't talking about making these into 2.3tl's (BE 2200-c crossover) that wouldn't be worth the effort since they require all different drivers and a different crossover. What I was talking about was just adding 2 holes, plugging 2, and moving the drivers around to make a mirror image of the right so there is a left and right speaker. By the way I have always liked the way these 2.3's sound and wouldn't even consider taking on the effort to convert them to tl's.
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited February 2006
    JCL wrote:
    I'm not sure I understand your post Bob but, I believe there was only one crossover in the 2.3 design not a left and right handed version.

    Sorry. I misinterpreted your post. I though you wanted to change 2.3s into 2.3TLs.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    Either that or that elbow thing....
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Sally, they get their signal from the amp just like the rest of them. ;)
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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,339
    edited February 2006
    JCL

    Your idea of mover driver and plugging holes would probably work, but you would need to take extrordinary care to maintain the airtight nature of the cabinents. You would also need to switch the interconnecting cable around to make sure that you got your + to - connection correct. Study the crossover wiring schmatic to make sure to do it properly. With the grills on you wouldn't notice the cosmetics. It would be difficult to make it look clean. Lots of sanding and painting. Possible, but a lot of work.

    Carl
    Carl

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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    schwarcw wrote:
    JCL

    You would also need to switch the interconnecting cable around to make sure that you got your + to - connection correct. Study the crossover wiring schmatic to make sure to do it properly.
    Carl

    That's not true considering the IC has only one wire (can't remember if its the pin or the blade). The other is a dead short. Also I wouldn't be buying these anyway they are too far from home and way too expensive considering the work that would be reqired to fix them and make them look acceptable. I was just wondering if it could be done without purchasing any new equipment.
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  • BobMcG
    BobMcG Posts: 1,585
    edited February 2006
    Come on already, admit it! ...........










    You want to out design Matt and team and make "Franken Polks"!!! :D
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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    With the SDA IC in place, check the left speaker with either the balance all the way to the right channel or the left speaker's speaker wire disconnected.
    Should remove the remaining trace of doubt I have...

    Yes, i are an engineer... or at least i were one... :p


    I did what you asked and the SDA speakers are definitely the two in the array of 4 as shown in the manual.

    LOL at Bob yep that must be it. Actually this is a really long thread considering I just wanted to be sure my speakers have been set up properly for the last year or so.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    JCL wrote:
    I did what you asked and the SDA speakers are definitely the two in the array of 4 as shown in the manual.
    And the other two are definitely in stereo duty?
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    Can anyone tell me what is the X-over point for this 2.3TL speakers?
    Thanks
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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    So many so call them self Polk expert,Guru or Master out there not even one can answer to this question.LOL
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Interesting attitude you have there, loh kg. So, in light of your attitude I'm not going to tell you. However, I will pass on this bit of advice for you to ponder over, putz's don't last long here.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    loh_kg wrote:
    Can anyone tell me what is the X-over point for this 2.3TL speakers?
    Thanks


    Can't tell you for the 2.3TL but I have the information for the 2.3's. You seam pretty sharp though so you should be able to find the information as easily as I did for the 2.3's. If you get really ambitious you could always buy "The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook" and figure it out.

    Here's a hint though .......






    There is a little book that came with your speakers. ;)
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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 149
    edited February 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    And the other two are definitely in stereo duty?

    They appear to be. The additional mass of those two drivers (with donuts) has them muted at all levels but functioning properly. I assume one of the 2 low pass crossovers controls these two drivers.
    L600 (front), R200 (rear), R200 (rear surround), L400 (center), Sunfire HRS-10 (2)Marantz AV7706Sunfire Cinema Grand, Marantz M8077, Music Hall Stealth, Ortofon bronze cartridge, Parasound Zphono XRM, Sony UBP-X800
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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    Interesting attitude you have there, loh kg. So, in light of your attitude I'm not going to tell you. However, I will pass on this bit of advice for you to ponder over, putz's don't last long here.
    What's wrong with my attitude?I have put up this question for so many days but no one reply.I sure that you don't know the answer if not you will answer my question before my replied.LOL
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Your question was only "up" for about a day. Not everyone here checks every post in every thread by the hour or day. So, when you didn't get an answer quickly enough, you decide to post some smart **** comment. That's the attitude I'm refering to and it's because of that attitude that I decided not to answer your question. JCL has given you a clue where to look.

    BTW, I do know the answer, but I'm not playing your little bait game.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    loh_kg wrote:
    What's wrong with my attitude?
    Now we can add self-awareness to the list...


    JCL,
    Thanks for the reply to my last question...
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    I have owned Polk Audio 2.3TL speakers more than 10 years and I am very happy with it.I enjoy my music everyday with this pair of speakers without doing any modification.Unlike some smart guys here in this forum,mod X-over,changing of tweeters etc.You guys think that you can do better than Matthew Polk the original designer of this speakers.Please be honest and don't bluff yourself.LOL :p
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited February 2006
    I thought it was Matthew :confused:
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    loh_kg wrote:
    You guys think that you can do better than martin Polk the original designer of this speakers.LOL :p
    WAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

    Yeah, that Polk guy is right up there with Mathew Logan.

    That's gotta go in my sig line...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Trolling, trolling, trolling...........
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited February 2006
    We've been flooded with trolls and retards of late, haven't we?
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Especially retards!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    F1nut wrote:
    Especially retards!
    Let me ask you a question.Why still have so many people out there like Polk vintage speakers?My answer is because we like the vintage polk sig sound.If you mod any component parts in the speakers,it will changed the sound as will.So what's the point to owned vintage Polk speakers.To me,I like vintage Polk sig sound and I only trust my two ears and my two balls. :p
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,652
    edited February 2006
    Simple answer, because there isn't much in the world of audio that can't be improved upon one way or another. Maybe one day you'll come to understand that, maybe not.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    loh kg,
    Went back and read your first few posts and saw that you are in Singapore. So please accept my apology for my earlier comments.

    Many will will maintain that what they due are not so much mod's as they are upgrades. If the sound can be refined through the replacement of the old, stock capacitors and other cross-over components, that could be a positive thing.
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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  • loh_kg
    loh_kg Posts: 13
    edited February 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    loh kg,
    Went back and read your first few posts and saw that you are in Singapore. So please accept my apology for my earlier comments.

    Many will will maintain that what they due are not so much mod's as they are upgrades. If the sound can be refined through the replacement of the old, stock capacitors and other cross-over components, that could be a positive thing.
    Agree with you,if the capacitors are leaking and I will change it.As for the SL3000 tweeters,I will never change to other model,that's why I still keeping 4 pcs of original SL3000 tweeters. :)
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2006
    Never say never... ;)
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner
    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
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