What happened to MTV?

aaharvel

MTV and it's championing of the so-called "hip-hop" culture has caused more self-destruction in society and the disillusionment of our youth culture than anything else in the past 15 years combined- even war.

audiobliss

aaharvel wrote:

MTV and the hip-hop culture has singlehandedly caused more destruction upon society and our youth culture more than anything else combined- even war.

I definitely agree with you there.

VR3

Eh....... I disagree. While I dont agree with about 99% of whats shown on MTV...

MTV didnt do crap.

The parents not monitoring what their kids watch on TV is what caused it. The parents are EVERYTHING, without supervision, a kid is free to watch whatever he/she pleases...

You cant tell me MTV made a child watch their program...

If a kid plays grand theft auto and finds a hidden sex scene and the child is obviously to young to see it, the chances are he is also to young to play the game. Therefore its not Rockstar's fault, but indeed the parent/guardians fault for buying it for him/her. And considering an adult has to be present for teens/kids to buy games of that rating, you cant say it isnt.

Music, TV, Movies are not what make kids bad.

dun dun dun

aaharvel

i disagree. You don't think MTV puts out focus groups and does research before they present a product? Come on Sid you know better than that. While the parents are a big part they're not stapled to their kids on a 24/7 basis.

audiobliss

I would agree that the parents play a major role, too, as well they should. It's just usually not a positive role.

VR3

Honestly..

If the TV parents your child and has THAT MUCH influence on your child - then you have done something very wrong.

Thats all I am going to say.

aaharvel

Sure the parents bear some responsibility- to deny that would be naive & insane. But lets not forget about the real wizard behind the curtain. Millions in research, marketing, and focus groups. What type of product is presented over time, and how that product affects a certain demographic- usually the disillusioned in society- and how all of the aforementioned turns into $ for the programs creators. It's not as simple as just blame the parents. We've tried that before, and it doesn't work. Don't believe me? Check out the viewing habits of todays teens, the music they listen to, the bling, how they interact with their peers and more importantly authority figures, and how that effects their education, livelihoods and the quality of life they provide for their families as they grow up.

Hell I should know more than anyone. I'm not some stuck-up 55yr. old white babyboomer who insults the music of today simply because it wasn't my music of yesteryear. Like blaming the parents for everything, it's a cheap trick, a scheme of pass-the-buck so you don't have to think to hard about what the true underlying problem is- and I think that's just sad. I'm 28, and WAS the bridge between both generations' cultures- I'm generation X. I've perfectly bridged the babyboomer generation of music, manners, etiquette- forms of speech, you name it with todays generation Y. Guess what- there has been a MAJOR difference just in the past 20years, between X & Y, when it comes to how pop-culture affects our youth. And wouldn't ya' know it, the advent of MTV is there.. right in the cradle of the culture-war.

Debate over.

VR3

Of course.

But you cant say a channel...any channel is going to "alter" your teen. There are ways to block the channel, you dont put a TV in their room, there are so many ways - if you feel "MTV is ruining my child" there would be ways to combat that. Could you do it everywhere they go? No...

But honestly, if a kid goes to his friends house to watch MTV... lol --- something may be wrong elsewhere inside his head...

I just cant be convinced that MTV is the downfall of society...downfall of society in my eyes boils down to the restrictions we have put on discipline and encouraging parents to be "friends" to their kids, and telling kids that they/we have rights. Its all false and its a false reality that whiney lil adults wanted put into effect.

If you cant discipline your children to what it takes, not abuse mind you - but some physical discipline... and you can not gain the respect of your child - your child is a free bird, your child is either going to turn out ok by his/her lonesome or they're going to become the next MTV superstar.

I mean really, it all starts with the parents, it starts with how much respect the kid has for their parents, and it starts with how well the parents enforces rules.

I've watched this take place my entire life with my sister, and Ive seen it with so many other people. If the kid dosnt respect or listen to their parent from the get go, then its all up to the child - sometimes they'll be alright, sometimes they wont.

And yes, friends also have a HUGE impact on a kids life, but this also goes back to the parents - if a kid grows up in a home with no control, chances are a kid will go to a crowd that has no control, that does drugs and alcohol to make them feel "control" - its all a domino effect.

While society, friends, w/e has effect on the kids, its the parents responsibilities to make sure their child knows whats wrong and whats right. Whats respectable, whats not. I dont like the music of today in the hip hop, pop, rap world - I think its horrible in its message - its not good music, heck its not music. I dont even know how people can listen to that, maybe its the lack of exposure to other kinds of music, or maybe its their desire to rebel against their parents into something they want to like, to feel "special" or w/e...

I think its all a domino effect, when the parent has no control - its all a toss up... Ive watched it head on... Ive seen it take place... and you cant convince me that a tv station or music or society did that. Ive seen the rebellion, the push for control and Ive seen the effects of a parent that does not have the respect of their child and just flat out has no control... - you guys may be older and all that good stuff and I may not be "wise" or w/e - but Ive sat here and watched it the last... 17 years - and while the things you mentioned may be "part of the problem" - it certainly isnt what causes it.

aaharvel

It's not about parents blocking a channel Sid. It's about the letters MTV, the attitudes that MTV has adopted for youth, that has transcended pop-culture.

It's not about the shoe NIKE. It's about the over-swooshification, the belief that NIKE makes you cool, accepted by your peers, transforms you into a pro-basketball player just for believing in the Swoosh that has transcended pop-culture.

It's not about the word BLING. It's about the lifestyle, it's about the walk on water attitude that it champions at the expense of decency & sincerity- that has transcended the phrase, and thus has transcended pop-culture.

I could go on and on..
Sid you should read up on the culture war. It's a very interesting topic. You can start right here:
http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?btob=Y&endeca=1&isbn=0761961496&itm=2

George Grand

It's all about people's reluctance to "dare to be different".

George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)

Skynut

It just seems like they were in the best position to do music and they dropped the ball.
now they want to be known as the music channel but they do all kinds of t.v. shows instead.

DJMosfet

Skynut wrote:

I think as kids we liked that stuff and now as kids they like the stuff that mtv plays now.
So we need to blame the kids for having no taste when it comes to programming.

lol don't blame me Ya I think its stupid a;; the show some are ok, but theres no music, if thtere is its like crappy Fallouboy or something.Im a really musical person. Im either DJing or playing Guitar, Bass, Drums ect. MTV sucks now.

Skynut

I won't blame you personally.