Any interest in LP recordings?

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    HBombToo wrote:
    I am interested but would like to know what the list of music would be prior to a purchase.

    Nope. The point of the CD is to let people listen to a turntable, not any given artist. The reason is that if you are very selective in material then you really are not a good candidate for an LP system.

    madmax

    Edit: By "you" I don't mean you in particular, just people in general. I know you would find vinyl exciting. Besides, its about the vinyl, not an artist or a song.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited January 2006
    So, in other words, what you get out of a tt is the sound inherent within the records and they're recording process, not some artists work...

    In other words, you listen to the turntable, not the music...
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    audiobliss wrote:
    So, in other words, what you get out of a tt is the sound inherent within the records and they're recording process, not some artists work...

    In other words, you listen to the turntable, not the music...


    Obviously music must be played to hear the quality and characteristics of a music system. This disc just happens to have music on it but it's only purpose is to let you hear the equipment. For music sources I would suggest a reputable music store where you can select the music you wish to hear. :)

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Hey, who was the fellow that passed out the binaural sample several months ago? I'll cover the costs of his copy if he wants one.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited January 2006
    I get it... I'm pretty dense sometimes. I'll be sure to help defray the overhead.

    HBomb
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Don't worry Henry, I have the whole collection of Marvin and the Chipmonks and they are in Pristine condition!
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • jcaut
    jcaut Posts: 1,849
    edited January 2006
    Who's Marvin and the Chimpmonks :confused: Do they do Gregorian Chant?


    :p
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    A friend gave me the name. All I can remeber was that it was cool to play their records at 18 1/4 RPM. Or was that 16 1/4 ???
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited January 2006
    Just curious if you have an estimate of when we could start placing orders? :D

    Thanks again for the great offer. I'm very anxious to here the difference in quality between your recordings and mine.

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  • bikerboy
    bikerboy Posts: 1,211
    edited January 2006
    I would love to have a reference to compare my average lp-cd recording system and help to tweek more. Thanks for the offer to hear a hi end phono section.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Thanks guys, I plan on putting together a play list within a few days and it will only take an evening or two to lay down the tracks. I went through a bunch of stuff last night and there is just so much good stuff. It's hard to pick one song out of a hundred "best" ones. I just have to concentrate on what will show you a particular aspect of LP's.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • bugner
    bugner Posts: 56
    edited January 2006
    I definitely want a copy. classical is my "thing," but a sampler sounds wonderful. it's a terrific idea. :D
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    I haven't forgotten about this project, it will be too much fun! I got called out of town for the week to do some outside testing for the company. Sure, it was fun, but... It was a lot more fun to listen to the equipment after the time away!!! You know, after a week, when you listen, you realize just how far you have come. I can't quite explain it other than you hear all the good stuff but don't hear all the known flaws. I need to go away more often! :)
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • HiPerf360
    HiPerf360 Posts: 436
    edited January 2006
    Count me in, my new speakers will be here in a few days so i will be doing some critical listening soon...

    Jonathon
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    You're in HiPerf360! I'll make a final list before I do the recordings. BTW, I just ordered a Manley Steelhead phono pre. I'll do the recordings once I receive it. Might as well give you guys your moneys worth... :)
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited January 2006
    Nice...

    I think this whole effort is going to be really interesting, but I must confess I do not see how effective it will be given the limitation of individual recipients CDP's, etc.

    What is the defrayment amount and means again?
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Nice...

    I think this whole effort is going to be really interesting, but I must confess I do not see how effective it will be given the limitation of individual recipients CDP's, etc.

    QUOTE]

    This is true but in a way that is a good thing. This may just show what a TT would sound like in "their" system. At least that is what I'm hoping for. Here at work through my Altec Lansing computer system I'm picking up the difference pretty well.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • scottnbnj
    scottnbnj Posts: 709
    edited January 2006
    me too! thanks much. this is gonna make me ache for when i can get my space back to set up the tt again.

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    No problem... Looks like a few weeks right now. I'm picking out songs tonite and expect my new phono pre next week sometime.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • HiPerf360
    HiPerf360 Posts: 436
    edited January 2006
    Just let me know where to send the payment...

    What the hell, i'll even send cash.

    Jonathon
  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited January 2006
    Tour2ma wrote:
    Nice...

    but I must confess I do not see how effective it will be given the limitation of individual recipients CDP's, etc.

    I hope my Denon 2900 is up to the task ;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2006
    Ok, I've been thinking about this and it really is a cool idea. But to play devil's advocate here I have a question. Isn't it defeating the purpose of analog if in the end you are making a digital recording? I know your stand alone cd recorder probably does a decent job of converting A-->D, but aren't many of the nuances and aspects of analog lost once it's converted to digital and back again? Isn't that the big knock on digital? I mean the 1's and 0's are an approximate representation of the analog signal, not an exact copy. Won't we lose that wonderful analog warmth during the conversion? How is this different than an engineer transfering an analog master to cd? Not trying to be critical, just thinking outloud. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here and should just look at it for what it is? :o .

    But, IMO you are going to lose all those wonderful analog qualities once you go digital.

    H9

    Just throwing this against the wall to see if it sticks :)
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    heiney9 wrote:
    But to play devil's advocate here I have a question. Isn't it defeating the purpose of analog if in the end you are making a digital recording?

    This is where the learning curve hit me over the head too. For the longest time I didn't even try to record vinyl because of the reasoning above.

    I think it may have more to do with the way the original master is copied to the vinyl VS the way the original master is copied to a digital medium. This seems to have a bigger effect than the actual sampling problems of digital. At this point I am starting to think a standardized method is used and though optimized for the huge variences of masters it may not be the best transfer for any particular master. These are all my own musings obviously. As we move further along I notice digital media sounding better and better with the same equipment as the industry puts more effort into quality. There will obviously always be bad recordings out there in either format.

    The proof of this experiment will be in the sound achieved. I will say that mainstream vinyl does sound different than mainstream CD.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2006
    MM, I forgot to say earlier....Count Me In. I'd like to hear how it turns out.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2006
    Hey guys, I made a test CD tonight to get an idea what songs fit where. It was an experience because you have to put the right songs in the right place otherwise one overshadows another and doesn't give you a good presentation. In any case, I should have the Manley Steelhead phono pre in a few days and I will get on it at that point. I am very happy so far with what I'm hearing. I keep looking at the table during the songs from the CD and get confused because it isn't turning. Weird. I really think I've captured the TT event. At least most of it. I'm hoping the manley will be a reasonable step up in this process. I can honestly say I don't know what it can add at this point but we will see. BTW, Tour, there is a MJ song on there for you.

    madmax

    Edit: And for you too Russman...
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited January 2006
    Thanks for the update! Looking forward to it! :D
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2006
    Yeah..can't wait to hear what that vinyl fever is all about :)
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
    edited February 2006
    If this is still open I am interested for certain - just let me know the cost and I will get it to you. If not - that's what I get for sleeping instead of reading this post.

    Thanks,
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2006
    I'll put you on the list.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • HiPerf360
    HiPerf360 Posts: 436
    edited February 2006
    Remove me from the list.....


    No MJ


    Just kidding