Upgrading to IDMax over Eclipse Alluminum worth it?

CrBoy · December 2005

Altec88 wrote:

You guys are funny.

This is, by far, not funny... if you have been around the forum long enough (not as member, I see you have only 9 posts) you'll know what they are talking about :mad: :rolleyes:

Altec88 · December 2005

CrBoy wrote:

This is, by far, not funny... if you have been around the forum long enough (not as member, I see you have only 9 posts) you'll know what they are talking about :mad: :rolleyes:

Yeah...I only come here when i'm bored. I first came in the *shudders* "Dilehma" thread.

MacLeod · December 2005

Cut and paste time:

Jstas wrote:

I never said I thought reviews were ****

Jstas wrote:

Did you read some silly review somewhere that also offered no supporting evidence

Jstas wrote:

I never said I didn't trust Cody's word

Jstas wrote:

I never said his boss was full of ****

Jstas wrote:

Is this more uninformed tripe from your cocky boss that you are just regurgitating for us all

Jstas wrote:

You made a rather obtuse statement about an entire company's line of amplifiers

exalted512 wrote:

some of em are a little overrated, but nonetheless, they are solid amps

Doesnt seem like either an obtuse statment or one concerning the entire line.

Ive been on this board for over 2 years and havent been in a major brawl with anybody and Ive been in several heated debates on the HA side with no ill will or major flaming. But you post maybe twice a week and have managed to get into it with every single member on this forum.

Dont you find it curious that everybody is always misunderstanding you and thinking youre being a dick? Maybe its not everybody that has the problem. Maybe you are just being a dick. Like my pappy used to say, "If one guy calls you an **** ignore him. If 10 guys call you an ****, buy a saddle."

Meeks32 · December 2005

So what you guys are trying to say with all the arguing is that the IDMax is an upgrade over the Eclipse. Cool thanks:)

neomagus00 · December 2005

yeah, the idmax should be an upgrade over the aluminiums

Toxis · December 2005

I thought this would be extremely appropriate here. hahaha Good stuff.

VR3 · December 2005

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Toxis... Don't think all Aluminum coned subs are bad...

SVS's kick you straight in the balls...and they can make it a clean hit. hahahha.

MacLeod · December 2005

Toxis wrote:

I thought this would be extremely appropriate here. hahaha Good stuff.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is priceless! As I sit here with my cat in my lap who kinda looks like that, is just too funny!

Toxis · December 2005

I don't think ALL alum subs are bad, but I haven't heard an Eclipse sound good yet. I don't doubt that I'd like an SVS... but hopefully they treat the metal so it doesn't resonate.

neomagus00 · December 2005

give me a month and i invite you to hear my car... hopefully i'll have a good enough setup that you'll change your mind about eclipse...

MacLeod · December 2005

exalted512 wrote:

Hifonics

some of em are a little overrated, but nonetheless, they are solid amps for a great price and come with a 1 yr warranty.

exalted512 · December 2005

sometimes i scare myself with my infinite intelligence
-Cody

swerve · December 2005

good fight.good **** night.
please don't offer to buy me a drink or give me a hand job on the way out.

I love this place

Meeks32 · December 2005

Doh, just thought of another option, a 15" RLP Soundsplinter. TC design just like the eclipse but a little larger so I can get back those few spl from moving to a larger car. Decisions decisions.

Toxis · December 2005

neomagus00 wrote:

give me a month and i invite you to hear my car... hopefully i'll have a good enough setup that you'll change your mind about eclipse...

do you live anywhere close to the Kansas City area? I'll meet you if so, otherwise I won't take a trip just to hear yet another mobile system.

neomagus00 · December 2005

ouch, that hurts...

no, i'm not really close to kansas city, i live in western PA / western OH depending on what time of the year it is...

Toxis · December 2005

no offense! I hope you didn't think I was being a ****...

neomagus00 · December 2005

nope, no offense taken

you have hit on my goal, though - to NOT be just another mobile system, so if i do ever achieve that, i'll let y'all know

PoweredByDodge · December 2005

The IDmax is one of the finest woofers in the world.

You will, however, be required to not be stupid with them.

- Don't drop one, even a few inches (they're heavy, so this is more possible than you may think).

- Do not exceed 1,300 watts rms.

- Do not use bass boosts (the normal +1, +2, +whatever on your deck is fine, but adding 18 db's at 40 hz via the little knob on the amplifier will not be good at all).

- Periodically check the voice coils... push in as straight as you possibly can on the center of the dustcap. If it scratches an itty bitty teeny weeny, pull your power back a little... or just watch how high you put it - if it scratches excessively - send it back for RnR and take alook at how you're doing things (lower the gains, get rid of the boost etc etc).

... I had two of them with roughly 1,300 on each and was insanely pleased. They will not really do anything until you put about 900 at least to them. They're 92 db efficient, but they still need lots of power. I was running an MTX 81000D to each - birth sheets at about 1200 @ 12.5 volts for each of them.

They will be one of the finest audio experiences you ever have, but they are like babies, you have to take care of them and feed them properly, or they'll take a **** on you. They're all hand built - and as such, each one is a little different in its attitude... one might be a little stiffer than the other and require a longer break in period to loosen up the suspension and soften up the surround. Don't get me wrong, they're all the same sub - they all sound the same, but when you first get them going one may very well sound different than the other because it takes less or more time to break in than the other. run them at about half power (500 w rms) for maybe 2 weeks... i know its a long time, it's aggravating, but you gotta do it. the other option, if you have dual 4 ohm voice coil ones... is to put both subs - all FOUR voice coils in series -- that'll be 16 ohms... use 12 gauge wire and plug it into the wall outlet (110V AC) you'll get roughly a 60 Hz sine wave through them at about 750 watts rms. it's higher than the 500 or so you'd want, and its a little risky, but when i got a replacement for a defective one (they used the incorrect surround on the speaker), and i didn't want to wait for the one to break in, that's what i did... left it on there about 5 hours. Be careful where you do it, you'll draw about 7 amps, so don't put it on the same line as like an air compressor or any high current **** or you'll kick the breaker.

MacLeod · December 2005

Kind of ironic how a sub that good sounding could be so delicate. I hope ID gets their quality control issues taken care of, Im a big fan of theirs and would like to see them do well.

PoweredByDodge · December 2005

the non-compliant surround was a one-shot issue that was a couple years ago - one of their engineers, named RJ was fired because he took it and other minor issues too lightly.

as far as delicate - any precision piece of equipment is delicate. the higher end you get, the more delicate you get, because tolerances become tighter.

for example... a modern 5 litre motor can put out 300 horses with ease, the bearings have sick tolerances, sometimes as tight as 0.5 / 1000 th of an inch. the least little screw up in crank geometry will destroy those bearings and the crank... going with even a slightly thicker oil (say 10-30 versus 5-30, or 10-40 versus 10-30) can murder that motor in cold blood. 20 years ago, 5 litres was lucky to produce 150 - 175 horses... and tolerances for main bearings were between 1 and 3 / 1000 ... between 2 and 6 times that of modern engines. motors called for 10-30 and 10-40 and minor imperfections in the crank were to be expected.

long story short - as you push the envelope with equipment, your tolerances become tighter and tighter... room for error becomes so small that its ridiculous. with high end stuff comes high dollar and high 'care'.

both of which are worth it in most cases... if the equipment is in the area of something you're passionate about.

Upgrading to IDMax over Eclipse Alluminum worth it?

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