Attn Denon fans

ND13

I don't know how many have noticed, but Fry's has started carrying Denon receivers. I'm not sure about the other components, but I'd have to assume that they will be carrying the other pieces as well.

Just a heads up for the Denon fans out there.

They also have the new line of HK receivers in. :cool:

MrNightly

ND13 wrote:

I don't know how many have noticed, but Fry's has started carrying Denon receivers. I'm not sure about the other components, but I'd have to assume that they will be carrying the other pieces as well.

Just a heads up for the Denon fans out there.

They also have the new line of HK receivers in. :cool:

Do you believe they will have good prices??? I'm still hunting for a Denon 3805. Something called "BUDGET" that keeps getting in the way

opus

MrNightly wrote:

Do you believe they will have good prices??? I'm still hunting for a Denon 3805. Something called "BUDGET" that keeps getting in the way

**** THIS IN NO WAY SHOULD BE DESCRIBED AS AN INTEREST CHECK****

Hunting for a 3805? Just might be Denon season. I am currently demoing a new/demo Rotel 1066 and am quite sure my 6 month old Denon will be on the market. If interested fire me a PM and I will set a Flea Market price.


**** THIS IN NO WAY SHOULD BE DESCRIBED AS AN INTEREST CHECK****

KEVIN

ND13

MrNightly wrote:

Do you believe they will have good prices??? I'm still hunting for a Denon 3805. Something called "BUDGET" that keeps getting in the way

I don't see why not considering they do on everything else when they have a sale. But if you don't mind getting a pre-owned receiver, then you should check out the Opus might be replacing soon.

MrNightly

ND13 wrote:

I don't see why not considering they do on everything else when they have a sale. But if you don't mind getting a pre-owned receiver, then you should check out the Opus might be replacing soon.

Good idea.

I'll see what the Opus has to offer.

gregure

I usually think pretty well of Denon products for overall consumer use (read: 8 Ohm speakers used primarily for movie viewing), however I recently lost a bit more respect for them as quality music amps due to a comparison I did with a customer. We tested the Denon 3806 against the Marantz SR8500. Besides the Marantz receiver's obvious advantage in having a true torroidal transformer as a power supply, I truly think Marantz just sounds better anyway. However, I never truly realized how inferior Denon receivers are for music until I did a side by side comparison. First of all, we were using Beethoven Baby Grand speakers from Vienna Acoustics, 4 Ohm speakers, although not too hard to drive with a decent amp. The music playback through the Denon sounded veiled, as if it were compressed through an iPod. When switching to the Marantz, it had an open, airy and clean sound, like music should. Here's another one to wrap your head around: The difference in price between the 3805 and 8500 is $300. However, when pitting the 8500 against a B&K 507, there was a very subtle difference in quality, although noticable. The difference between the Denon and Marantz in quality was huge. And the B&K is $3500, that's $2000 more than the Marantz. Pretty amazing.
As I said, I used to be able to recommend Denon amps for overall use, but I don't even think I can do that anymore. The musical performance is just so inferior. Some on the forum would say 4 Ohm speakers demand separates, and I certainly don't agree with that. While separates certainly adds to the experience, there are many fine receivers capable of running 4 Ohm loads with ease. One would expect a $1200 Denon receiver to be cabable of running 4 Ohms at least decently, but I wouldn't call what I heard decent.
The only Denon I've ever heard that I like for music is the DRA685, a basic 100 wpc stereo receiver. To get that kind of sound from a surround Denon, you'd probably have to go with the 5805.

HBombToo

I think Denon does well in the digital domain. I have much respect for the 2900 but I would never throw dollars into their receiver/amp hole. I like seperates and probably the only integrated I would even consider would be Rotel.

This is just my opinion.

1/4twin

audiobliss

I've always had a lot of respect for Marantz and often times wish I had gotten a Marantz receiver instead of my Yamaha.

drew spelts

I've always had a lot of respect for Harman Kardon and often times wish I had gotten a Harman Kardon receiver instead of my Sony.


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Pablo

MrNightly, if you don't mind refurbs, go to denon.com and to the dealers link and they will have some links to places that sell refurbs. They are factory warenteed and some good prices.

P.S. SACDs through my DVD player sound pretty nice to me (but never really did a side by side with anything else).

Holydoc

MrNightly,

You have been looking to set up your system for a while now. Might as well "pull the trigger" and snag up something. Nice thing about components is that you can always change them out in the future. Better to have something going now than to save forever and miss out on the enjoyment now.

MrNightly

Holydoc wrote:

MrNightly,

You have been looking to set up your system for a while now. Might as well "pull the trigger" and snag up something. Nice thing about components is that you can always change them out in the future. Better to have something going now than to save forever and miss out on the enjoyment now.

this is true. I have my sights on the 3805... but then he brought up that about the Music, and started me wondering again. I just know that I want something that will work great with HT. All this debate about pre-pro vs receciver, makes a guy nervous J/K.

I'm working a deal on the 3805 with a user from this site. Patience NEVER hurt anyone tho, and you can't rush a good system Right? Ha. Oh well.. excuses excuses...

schwarcw

I noticed a huge diference when I went from my Onkyo to a Marantz. I'm really impressed with their HT receiver. My SR6200 (110 wpc 8 ohm) drives a pair of SDA-2s, RTi6s and a CSi40 with no problem. Clean, quiet, warm sound. It cost about $1K new, I bought mine used for $350. Very happy!

gregure

Marantz is stable and clean into 4 Ohms throughout the line, although the 8500 at $1500 is a real gem as it uses a true torroidal transformer, which equals great dynamics and headroom. I would recommend that over a 3805, or even a 7500 from Marantz for about the same price as a 3805. Much more musical, although if your speakers aren't too demanding (ie 8 Ohm) the Denon won't sound terrible. Still, Marantz is better. Marantz also doesn't clutter up their processing with DSP modes that no one ever uses.

dudeinaroom

What's the big deal about denon, aren't they just over priced sonys anyways? I belive they are both made by nipon, but I could be wrong. I know denon is supposed to be built to a higher standard, but is it really. I know if you look at some of the sony products, and look at the denon products, they look a lot alike(more so with the older stuff). Any way that's my 2 cents, not that it matters. Never had denon, so I would not know how they are, all I know is I do not care for sony, I'd take a pioneer first, But I want separates and am still hunting for what I like.

dudeinaroom

dudeinaroom wrote:

What's the big deal about denon, aren't they just over priced sonys anyways? ......

Ok, ok I see the big deal, A ton better than sony

shack

gregure wrote:

I usually think pretty well of Denon products for overall consumer use (read: 8 Ohm speakers used primarily for movie viewing), however I recently lost a bit more respect for them as quality music amps due to a comparison I did with a customer. We tested the Denon 3806 against the Marantz SR8500. Besides the Marantz receiver's obvious advantage in having a true torroidal transformer as a power supply, I truly think Marantz just sounds better anyway. However, I never truly realized how inferior Denon receivers are for music until I did a side by side comparison. First of all, we were using Beethoven Baby Grand speakers from Vienna Acoustics, 4 Ohm speakers, although not too hard to drive with a decent amp. The music playback through the Denon sounded veiled, as if it were compressed through an iPod. When switching to the Marantz, it had an open, airy and clean sound, like music should. Here's another one to wrap your head around: The difference in price between the 3805 and 8500 is $300. However, when pitting the 8500 against a B&K 507, there was a very subtle difference in quality, although noticable. The difference between the Denon and Marantz in quality was huge. And the B&K is $3500, that's $2000 more than the Marantz. Pretty amazing.
As I said, I used to be able to recommend Denon amps for overall use, but I don't even think I can do that anymore. The musical performance is just so inferior. Some on the forum would say 4 Ohm speakers demand separates, and I certainly don't agree with that. While separates certainly adds to the experience, there are many fine receivers capable of running 4 Ohm loads with ease. One would expect a $1200 Denon receiver to be cabable of running 4 Ohms at least decently, but I wouldn't call what I heard decent.
The only Denon I've ever heard that I like for music is the DRA685, a basic 100 wpc stereo receiver. To get that kind of sound from a surround Denon, you'd probably have to go with the 5805.

I use a Denon AVR for 2 channel playback quite often. It is a great match for the RTxxi series of Polks. I also own a DRA-685. IMO their musical performance is just fine and far from inferior. My Denon 80 wpc AVR is rated for a 4 ohm load according to one of their product specialists. I have used my AVR to drive my SDAs and while not optimal...it will do an adquate job.

I think they are the best of the mass market AVRs. I would recommend the them anytime for a good, reasonably priced HT setup anytime over Pioneer, HK, Yamaha, Sony or Onkyo from my experience.

Denon and Marantz are owned by the same company, D&M Holdings, Inc. which also owns McIntosh.

ben62670

drew spelts wrote:

I've always had a lot of respect for Harman Kardon and often times wish I had gotten a Harman Kardon receiver instead of my Sony.


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I like this one the most:D

brettw22

HERE IS A SEARCH AT DAKMART.COM that I can recommend if you're ok with refurb'd Denon units. I got my 2900 through them and haven't had any problems with it.

Sherardp

I f I could do it all over again I would probably have gone another route than my 7100ES, but since I didnt, I like it and enjoy it. It has gotten ok reviews all around so, it'll do for now. Next time, pre/pro combo for sure. I opted for the Marantz CC4001 today instead of ordering the Sony ES CDp, I hope it exceeds my expectations.

TroyD

I just picked up, locally, an older Denon AVR-3600 and it is built like a brick shithouse. I've ressurected (sp) my HT rig and am using it to power (ACK!) my 2.3tl's. (this is ONLY until Hoosier can find his way to the damn UPS store, I assure you). Again, not optimal but not NEARLY as bad as I thought.

Kind of nice having DD again for movies.

BDT

engtaz

Info: the 4800 and 5800 series of Denon Ht receivers have a serious transformers.

engtaz

powerlord

As with any audio, if you are a sound ****,you'll get tired of the mid range reciever and look for better anyway,I have the Marantz SR-18 and I love it,it's a beast.As far as Denon goes I have played with the 5803 this week and I must say that my 18 pretty much blows this reciever out of the water,I thought by the 5803's size and weight that there was something to it,I was wrong,don't get me wrong though it has it's perks and it is powerful,but god was it bright in every aspect.I'm already looking into seperates though,I just know there is a nirvana out there and it doesn't come from a reciever mid or high end.

SKsolutions

drew spelts wrote:

Originally Posted by drew spelts
I've always had a lot of respect for Harman Kardon and often times wish I had gotten a Harman Kardon receiver instead of my Sony.

ben62670 wrote:

I like this one the most:D

I have a Sony hooked up to some Logitech speakers and it soooo rocks :-P

dudeinaroom

powerlord wrote:

As with any audio, if you are a sound ****,you'll get tired of the mid range reciever and look for better anyway,I have the Marantz SR-18 and I love it,it's a beast.As far as Denon goes I have played with the 5803 this week and I must say that my 18 pretty much blows this reciever out of the water,I thought by the 5803's size and weight that there was something to it,I was wrong,don't get me wrong though it has it's perks and it is powerful,but god was it bright in every aspect.I'm already looking into seperates though,I just know there is a nirvana out there and it doesn't come from a reciever mid or high end.

For my surrounds and center it is fine(my center has super layed back treble). But as far as my mains go, I would have no idea how it's amp sounds with my SDA's, they were already hooked to my adcom, and I just hooked that in to the pre-outs. one day when I get bored I'll hook the directly to them Denon and see what kind of noise I can make.

JoshParsons84

Here's a question that more than likely has been asked and answered before: can the 5805CI hold 4ohm stable until a man was able to afford a good amp? More specifically the LSi series 7.1

cfrizz

Look at the specs, if it says 6ohm the answer is NO.

hangon

Wait and buy one with HDMI in-puts/out-puts. My 3805 is going on flea bay soon.

dave shepard

The starting of this thread is 1.5yrs old :eek:

Sherardp

The new denon models with HDMI ver 1.3 will be out soon. Im looking forward to one of those jewels. Sign me up for the 4308ci

Sansui

brettw22 wrote: »

HERE IS A SEARCH AT DAKMART.COM that I can recommend if you're ok with refurb'd Denon units. I got my 2900 through them and haven't had any problems with it.

Word here, I believe, has it the Dakmart has the customer support from hell. I read somewhere, maybe here, that some of their used amps have cabnet damage on them (dings and stuff).