Star Wars: Episode III

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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    ohskigod wrote:
    different tastes I guess, I didnt like the mixing on the first 2, but 3 sounded friggin great on my theater. Maybe I like a little more laid back and balanced sound, just like my music. I thought the bass track was way too hot on episode 2, havent seen ep 1 in a while.

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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited November 2005
    I thought the PQ was great, but was kind of disappointed withe the sound. I really had tp crank it up to hear everything clearly, though the subwoofers got a good workout. It seemed like the bass was the loudest part of the soundtrack. I thought the sound had much more punch in I and II. Overall though I really like it. However, some of the dialoge is down right painful (I love you, no I love you more.....ouch). Didnt the actors ever tell Lucas how lame some of the writing was? Anyway, I think I'll be having a Star Wars marathon at my place soon. I'm sure others will as well.
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  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,535
    edited November 2005
    Amazing action sequences and special effects. Horrible writing and directing of humans and humanoid computer generated characters. Nothing new with Lucas about this. I laughed out loud several times at the dialog and accents. The best thing to me was tying in characters at the end of this episode leading to Episode 4.

    Every time they mentioned killing the younglings, I couldn't help but think of the attached.
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    pmckeealaska wrote:
    ..... However, some of the dialoge is down right painful (I love you, no I love you more.....ouch). Didnt the actors ever tell Lucas how lame some of the writing was?


    They're all afraid to tell Lucas their 2 cents. Look at any of the dvd extras. You can cut the tension with a knife as Lucas walks in on the production crew and says "I like this, don't like that, could improve here..." They're all yes-men and stand around him taking notes and nodd.

    Of course working for Lucas arts is a dream job so I don't blame them for not jumping in there and say "You're wrong George"! :eek:
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  • Whadyasay
    Whadyasay Posts: 300
    edited November 2005
    When you're surrounded by green screens, and all the director cares about is if you said the lines correctly and looked in the right direction, you're not going to be expecting much in terms of story and performance. Also, the editing was not well-done. Too many un-rhythmic pauses to give way for the effects shots, and all the action sequences just sort' 'happened', instead of developing and unfolding in an interesting way. I actually think Ep II was better, but that's not saying much.

    Some silly moments:

    Anakin jumps back into the elevator, Kenobi turns, sword in hand, then retracts. "Oh...it's YOU..!". Did he REALLY need to say that?

    Grevous: "Activate the ray shield!"
    Kenobi, Anakin, and Palps are trapped in a ray shield.
    Anakin: "A ray shield!"

    A overly-expositional shot of a ship descending to a planet, entering a landing cave, opening up, and Grievous exits..goes into a room, and turns on the hologram. The dark emperor tells him to do one thing, and Grievous obliges. Wasn't the communicator in the ship working? Did we really need all those shots just to get to that little piece of conversation?

    R2 can fly, spit oil, zap other robots, and decode a ship's security system....but they forgot to put an internal communication device inside of him, so he has to deal with a walkie-talkie with the volume cranked all the way up.

    I don't know about you, but I bet I could take out one of those skinny battle-droids with a wiffle-ball bat...yet they haven't switched'em out since Ep I.

    Standing a few feet away from any pool of lava would be, what, 5000 degrees?! I guess jedis can put up with it better than most folks...but they can't take a laser blast to the midsection.

    Trust your feelings, mind your feelings, search your feelings, your feelings betray you....WTF?!! No wonder the kid's a mess.

    The green jedi-woman who got blasted on the Smurf planet at the end dressed a little too provocatively for a jedi, much less a warrior...don't you think? I'd hit it.

    Sorry, but when Yoda first force-shoves the Emperor into his desk chair, I nearly pissed myself.
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  • jet2001
    jet2001 Posts: 180
    edited November 2005
    Remember, Star Wars=Space Opera (soap opera in space), anyone expecting good diologue is going to get disappointed.

    I was pleased with the DVD version of the movie and can't wait for my next day off...12+ hours sitting at home in my own little geek world.

    What was cool about the prequel trilogy, is that it was finally mildly cool to be a Star Wars fan again...now I'm going to have to go back to being a closeted geek....hehe.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    begbie wrote:
    They're all afraid to tell Lucas their 2 cents. Look at any of the dvd extras. You can cut the tension with a knife as Lucas walks in on the production crew and says "I like this, don't like that, could improve here..." They're all yes-men and stand around him taking notes and nodd.

    Of course working for Lucas arts is a dream job so I don't blame them for not jumping in there and say "You're wrong George"! :eek:


    I guess he knows what he's doing, seeing that the Star Wars machine has brought in BILLIONS in profits. I'd do whatever the man told me to do, too. Wouldn't you???
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  • speakergeek
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    edited November 2005
    Whadyasay wrote:
    ....R2 can fly, spit oil, zap other robots, and decode a ship's security system....but they forgot to put an internal communication device inside of him, so he has to deal with a walkie-talkie with the volume cranked all the way up.....Standing a few feet away from any pool of lava would be, what, 5000 degrees?! I guess jedis can put up with it better than most folks...but they can't take a laser blast to the midsection.



    I've always found that aspect of Star Wars very interesting and amusing. To me it's par for the course. Episode III was well done in my opinion. :rolleyes:
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    without going into geekmode the lava thing can be explained by simply looking at the blue forcefield around where they were standing. I got this from the commentary.
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    I guess he knows what he's doing, seeing that the Star Wars machine has brought in BILLIONS in profits. I'd do whatever the man told me to do, too. Wouldn't you???


    Was that a rhetorical question? Cause I already answered that.

    Anyway.....Yes, Star Wars is a money making machine but it doesn't always mean a good product in the end.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited November 2005
    I can easily explain the lava thing and all the others:

    WHO THE **** CARES???

    Tell ya what, you want to see incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue go watch the English Patient.

    If you want to watch the coolest story ever told you watch Star Wars. Its got great fight scenes, great action, spaceships, lazers, deathstars, the force, great characters and cool **** weapons. So what if the acting isnt top notch or the story is a little corny, take it for what it is.

    Being critical of the acting or directing of Star Wars is the same as bitching about the plotlines in **** movies. Star Wars isnt about winning Oscars, its about fun and imagination. I guess if you grew up on Star Wars youd have a different opinion.
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  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited November 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    I can easily explain the lava thing and all the others:

    WHO THE **** CARES???

    Tell ya what, you want to see incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue go watch the English Patient.

    If you want to watch the coolest story ever told you watch Star Wars. Its got great fight scenes, great action, spaceships, lazers, deathstars, the force, great characters and cool **** weapons. So what if the acting isnt top notch or the story is a little corny, take it for what it is.

    Being critical of the acting or directing of Star Wars is the same as bitching about the plotlines in **** movies. Star Wars isnt about winning Oscars, its about fun and imagination. I guess if you grew up on Star Wars youd have a different opinion.

    lol yup that's pretty much it.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    Being critical of the acting or directing of Star Wars is the same as bitching about the plotlines in **** movies. Star Wars isnt about winning Oscars, its about fun and imagination. I guess if you grew up on Star Wars youd have a different opinion.
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  • Whadyasay
    Whadyasay Posts: 300
    edited November 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    I can easily explain the lava thing and all the others:

    WHO THE **** CARES???

    Tell ya what, you want to see incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue go watch the English Patient.

    If you want to watch the coolest story ever told you watch Star Wars. Its got great fight scenes, great action, spaceships, lazers, deathstars, the force, great characters and cool **** weapons. So what if the acting isnt top notch or the story is a little corny, take it for what it is.

    Being critical of the acting or directing of Star Wars is the same as bitching about the plotlines in **** movies. Star Wars isnt about winning Oscars, its about fun and imagination. I guess if you grew up on Star Wars youd have a different opinion.

    First off, you're geek, and a foul-mouthed one at that. Secondly, if you didn't get that those points were made in jest, and you're this worked up over it, you're also a fool. Thirdly, I was eight when Star Wars (without 'A New Hope' added) opened. How old were you? SW has never been about life-changing art, it's good eye and ear candy. So what if they don't care about logistics. Chill out and enjoy your cracker-jacks....and your ****.

    Did I mention you're a geek? :D
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    Tell ya what, you want to see incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue go watch the English Patient.......


    Just imagine if Lucas did incorporate those elements in Star Wars ?! Then we could all get along... :D
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited November 2005
    **** yeah Im a Goddamned, foul mouthed Star Wars geek with an attitude. Whats it to ya? ;)
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  • Whadyasay
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    edited November 2005
    aaharvel wrote:
    without going into geekmode the lava thing can be explained by simply looking at the blue forcefield around where they were standing. I got this from the commentary.


    If that's the case, why didn't Anakin say "A blue forcefield!", like with the ray shield? C'mon!

    :rolleyes:


    Also, that had to be the quickest pregnancy ever filmed.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    **** yeah Im a Goddamned, foul mouthed Star Wars geek with an attitude. Whats it to ya? ;)
    And now you know why we make sure most of the new geeks are skinny IT guys. Look what happens when they start working out - all of a sudden they get attitudes... :D:D:D

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  • jet2001
    jet2001 Posts: 180
    edited November 2005
    Also, that had to be the quickest pregnancy ever filmed.

    Anakin was off at war for months before we see him in episode 3. If you really want to learn, read 'Labrynth of Evil', it leads right into the third movie and tells a fun story about the Clone Wars.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited November 2005
    McLoki wrote:
    And now you know why we make sure most of the new geeks are skinny IT guys. Look what happens when they start working out - all of a sudden they get attitudes... :D:D:D

    Michael

    LOL!!!

    Nah, I was a dick even when I was 160 pounds! :p
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  • Whadyasay
    Whadyasay Posts: 300
    edited November 2005
    jet2001 wrote:
    Anakin was off at war for months before we see him in episode 3. If you really want to learn, read 'Labrynth of Evil', it leads right into the third movie and tells a fun story about the Clone Wars.

    She wasn't showing nearly as much when they first reunite at the beginning of the movie. At most, two months or so.

    But it was a great laugher moment when she tells him the news.

    "That's............."

    Classic. But the biggest laugh was right at the start of the scrolling prologue. War! Nearly half the theater, myself included, went "War!" when it came up. It went on for about ten seconds...hysterical.

    Thank GOD Lucas isn't making any more of these. But they were fun.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    Tell ya what, you want to see incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue go watch the English Patient.......

    Just imagine if Lucas did incorporate those elements in Star Wars ?! Then we could all get along...

    Then they would probably be boring.....
    Thank GOD Lucas isn't making any more of these.

    I now own all 6. I like each and every one of them. If Lucas makes 6 more Star War movies I'll buy them too.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited November 2005
    Shackdaddy +1
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    shack wrote:
    Then they would probably be boring......


    Yes, a movie that has "incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialog" in a sci-fi setting and top notch f/x would make it a terrible cinematic experience ..... :rolleyes:
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    Based on today's Hollywood standards, I stand by that statement. 99% of the time I hear those words stated when describing a film IT IS A PIECE OF CRAP!

    Incredible acting performances = overdramatics

    Dirctorial artwork = trendy, invogue

    Superb dialog = verbose

    add it up and you get boring....IMO.

    Based on what is considered to be great film today (as defined by The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science...ie: The Oscars)...I'll pass...
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    Besides...I find the acting, directing and dialog in the Star Wars Movies to my liking. YMMV
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    shack wrote:
    Based on today's Hollywood standards, I stand by that statement. 99% of the time I hear those words stated when describing a film IT IS A PIECE OF CRAP!

    Incredible acting performances = overdramatics

    Dirctorial artwork = trendy, invogue

    Superb dialog = verbose

    add it up and you get boring....IMO.

    Based on what is considered to be great film today (as defined by The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science...ie: The Oscars)...I'll pass...



    George Lucas makes so much money, he does it his way and not by Hollywood standards.

    He'd rather take advice from buddies Stephen Spielberg (boring? I don't think so), Francis Ford Coppola ( trendy?- hardly ) or look towards more of Akira Kurosawa ( Hidden Fortress = Star Wars OT).
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    Are you trying to make MY points....?
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  • Whadyasay
    Whadyasay Posts: 300
    edited November 2005
    I'm actually a big Star Wars fan (Ep Iv and V, at least), so I say these things toungue in cheek...but they are by no means infallible. In fact, everything that Pixar has put out has been better than anything Lucas has done (even though he created the company), but...the Pixar pictures would have never been possible without Lucas' efforts.

    One thing is for sure, Lucas is a true innovator. There would be no surround sound without him, nor any of the biggest adventure pics we know of today (and all that they entail). He's earned the right and the ability to do whatever he wants with his 'films'. But it doesn't mean I have to like everything he does.
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  • begbie
    begbie Posts: 630
    edited November 2005
    shack wrote:
    Are you trying to make MY points....?


    Yes and no (I'm a fan of the OT) but those that have influenced Lucas are either Oscar winners or critically acclaimed and those directors and thier Oscar work are by no means boring.

    You can have those attributes (incredible acting performances, directorial artwork and superb dialogue) with "another world" setting + special f/x and still be thoroughly enjoyable and Oscar worthy.............Lord of the Rings anyone?

    Besides I'm not even equating those qualities as automatic Oscar calibre. You can still have your popcorn movie with those elements as well.

    I'm not saying Star Wars should've had all that but it could've used a little of those elements.
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