Whats the diferance?

danger boy

Josh-S you will be very happy with the RTi8's. Get those and build your system around those mains.

Josh-S

I am watching 2 ebay auctions for 2 new pairs of RTi6's even if I use the buy it now I would save $80 on EACH pair :cool: So my plans are to buy them for now. and get a reciver. When I have more cash I will then buy the RTi8's to finish my 7.1 setup Thi sis prety much my final desision. At this point I have ruled out the monitor series due to the Freq. responce in the lower end. And I herd thoes infinity towers. Ear pearcing for shure...

I am trying to match up a good reciver now to the RTi line.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_209686388,00.html

Thats my curent desision but its gona coast me $400 shiped. so this is more then I planed and is going to consume my funds for 4 months. But should be worth it.

ND13

What will your budget be for the receiver?? Don't make any rash decisions on the receiver just yet.

Josh-S

To be honist my budget is uniqe. It grows every week . I curently have around $600 saved and I am setting aside $100 a week until this project of mine is over with. I dont wish to build a HT and have to upgrade in a year. This thing will be with me for many years to come. Simply put, I dont wish to cut corners with the reciver and yet at the same time I want to listen to it NOW! I hate to wait... Also I rulled out Yamaha, sony, outlaw,onkyo... all due to price or Output. I am looking for 100+ RMS. Also must have OSD (on screen display) Thats why that Pioneer is looking very nice right about now...

cfrizz

I would say find a receiver that has all the features that you like & most important, make sure it comes with pre-outs.

The reason for this is so you have upgradebility for more powerful separate amplifiers down the line.

Josh-S

So far looking good. I'll heep on searching for other brands but I do belive I got them all looked at. If you can think of any I havnt mentioned let me know

ND13

You need to be looking more at the current than the wpc. I'd be looking into Harman Kardon and Denon if I were in your shoes. You can get factory refurbs with warranty and save 30-40%. Just my opinion. If you're going to get Pioneer, get the Elite series.

BIZILL

don't rush. take your time. look to ebay or other online retailers. save some money. come out in the end with all you've lusted for.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I'd look at Denon, one with pre-outs. Denon has good processing, and if you got one with pre outs you can always add an amp later...

audiobliss

Exactly what Noel said. If you're going to go with Pioneer, go for the Elite series. However, I'd suggest Harmon Kardon over Pioneer because of current. HK receivers are very powerful as far as receivers go.

And as for going by output, you can't really do that. Like my Yamaha rated at 110x7 probably only puts out about 40 watts max into two channels driven simultaneously. A Harmon Kardon receiver rated at 60 or 70 watts per channel would most likely blow the doors off my Yamaha.

BIZILL

audiobliss wrote:

A Harmon Kardon receiver rated at 60 or 70 watts per channel would most likely blow the doors off my Yamaha.

audio, are you bowing down to my h/k7300? oh, wait. did someone say "monoblocks"?

audiobliss

Yeah, I guess I would be...:p

I don't think I heard 'monoblocks'....but...wait! I have monoblocks!! :D:D:D:D:D

I keep forgetting that....it's such a wonderful feeling.....:D

BIZILL

you ****!

drew spelts

yeah josh I am in the same boat as you and am looking to have RTi 8's up front (Thanks largely in part to Bizill's advice) and I just bought a set of rti6's on ebay for $200 :eek: . I am now suiting up for a Harman Kardon AVR-635 which I can get from a friend for under $400 brand new. Then the last 2 parts will be the Rti8's which I hope I can get through the flea market here and a csi5 center probably from ebay. All this will be nicely tied together with a velodyne DPS 12.

Josh-S

Guys.. Dont say that kinda stuff! I based my hole reserch and comparing mostly by Rated RMS output! Simply put I want TRUE 120W RMS a chanel! And HK is way out of my budget.. Too bad to since they look so sleek :rolleyes:

W WALDECKER

audiobliss wrote:

Yeah, I guess I would be...:p

I don't think I heard 'monoblocks'....but...wait! I have monoblocks!! :D:D:D:D:D

I keep forgetting that....it's such a wonderful feeling.....:D

yes it is!

cfrizz

There really is no such thing as true 120W per channel when dealing with receivers. It just isn't really possible. The ones that come closest to it are the HK's, Rotels, ect.

This is precisely why we are telling you to get a receiver with pre-outs so you can purchase separate amplifiers later on. We have been there & done this so we know!

Be patient & save more money to get something decent.

Josh-S wrote:

Guys.. Dont say that kinda stuff! I based my hole reserch and comparing mostly by Rated RMS output! Simply put I want TRUE 120W RMS a chanel! And HK is way out of my budget.. Too bad to since they look so sleek :rolleyes:

audiobliss

Josh - Unless you spend upwards of $2,000, you are NOT going to get even 100 watts per channel from a receiver in stereo mode, much less when you're driving more than two speakers.

Forget the watts, and if you can swing it, get a HK.

BIZILL

look on ebay. seller's name is harmanaudio. they are harman/kardon. you can pick up a nicely powered refurb with 2 year factory warranty for really cheap. when they have 7300's up for auction, they can be had for around $1100, though i got a brand new one for that price.

BIZILL

drew spelts wrote:

yeah josh I am in the same boat as you and am looking to have RTi 8's up front (Thanks largely in part to Bizill's advice)QUOTE]

and i got my advice from the rest of these polkologists........thanks, all.

danger boy

I'd look at a refurb Denon myself if i were in his shoes. They have really good sound and the latest features built into them. It would be tough to find a better bang for the buck receiver in that price range.

Josh-S

well then why do they claim that there Reciver (pioneer) puts out a min of 120W RMS a chanel? :mad:

This is just fing retarded! So here I go!

Find me a reciver that puts out as many watts as you can find for $600 :cool: Thats it, theres my limit! I will need the power to juice my RTi8's and 6's in 7.1 chanels! And I dont wish to ever upgrade. I know the diferance in sound quality when things are powered properly. My 6x9's were a completly new beast once I amped them to there full watage.

Oh, whats this mono blocking stuff?

W WALDECKER

Josh-S wrote:

well then why do they claim that there Reciver (pioneer) puts out a min of 120W RMS a chanel? :mad:

This is just fing retarded! So here I go!

Find me a reciver that puts out as many watts as you can find for $600 :cool: Thats it, theres my limit! I will need the power to juice my RTi8's and 6's in 7.1 chanels! And I dont wish to ever upgrade. I know the diferance in sound quality when things are powered properly. My 6x9's were a completly new beast once I amped them to there full watage.

Oh, whats this mono blocking stuff?

a monoblock is an amplifier that powers only one channel per amplifier so it takes a pair of them to play 2 channel stereo playback.thanks....WCW III

Josh-S

1000W at rated power output (7 channels driven)

:eek: It draws 1K wats! Holy ****! I'll have to put in a 20 amp receptical and some 12 gag feeds. and a 20 amp breaker at 1,000 watts! :cool: That Pionear only drew 500W max at full power! So is it safe to asume that the rated power output of the HK is twice as much? Or just horibly ineficiant??

http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20635&sType=C

okiepolkie

Josh,

This will be a simplified version:

Wattage changes with different frequencies.

From what I can gather, it is relatively easy to produce a peak wattage at around 1000 Hz. Also, if one channel is being used, like the left channel OR right channel, then the power supply is not being asked to deliver very much power. Some manufacturers decide to use these measurements.

Other manufacuterers will use the whole frequency spectrum(20Hz-20000Hz) to might even use the hardest to drive frequency. Also, most these manuf do this will all 7 channels powering speakers. This is asking much more from a power supply, so the power supply has to be better to produce a lot of watts from the same power supply.

I'm short on time, so I can't expound any further, but when I get a chance, I'll clarify this a little bit.

Zach

Josh-S

Heres my basic understanding.

Volts can be amped,
Amps can be downsized
Watts cant be AMPED or uped!

If that is true then an amplifier that claims to put out a constand of 120W x 7 = 840W min. draw... And if the reciver as a whole has a peak wattage use of 480 then it doesnt add up.

Right?

danger boy

check out this Denon

I have not heard it.. but it might be a good starting point. $650 you may be able to find it lower, not sure.

# Fully Discrete, Equal Power 7 Amplifier Channels, 100 Watts Each
# Front 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Center 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Surround 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Surround Back 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)

For optimum Dolby Digital and dts reproduction, the AVR-886 features high quality, wideband audio amplification, providing 90 watts power output for each of the 7 main channels. A large capacity power supply includes a high current power transformer along with discrete power output devices on all 7 amplifier channels for highest dynamic range and superb reproduction clarity.

Josh-S

danger boy, I opted for a higher model. and I can get that one for $400. One call's a rip.


Denon AVR-2805 http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/376.asp

-VS-

HK. AVR 635 http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20635&sType=C

Ron Temple

The 635 is comparable to the 3805 for power and video transcoding features. It also weighs 41lbs. vs. 27 for the 2805. The weight is in the power supply and heat sinks. I'd look into refurbed models for both since they are last year's models. You might be able to find a refurbed 635 for < $500 from ebay/HKDirect w/2 year warranty.

Josh-S

http://www.digital1234.com/product.jsp?x=AVR635

Brand new for $611 shiped. But I have to step back now and review all this since I only wanted to pay $250 originaly 3 weeks ago And since then I decided on RTi8's (expensive to say the least) RTi6's Also $100 more for only 1 inch added to the cone. a freaking SVS tower sub for $600 OMG why cant I resist bass??? ANd a CSi3 for the center actualky reasonably priced)

Doing the math


$610 - Reciver
$620 - Sub SVS
$700 Pair RTi8's
$640 2 Pairs RTi6's
$100 in cables ect.

$2670! When I originaly only wanted to pay $1,000 at the max! :eek: This is what you guys did to me! Now could some one explain to me why I am paying all this for some audio and 7.1 suround? (lord of the rings in all its glory AINT enough!)

It's going to take me 27 weeks at $100 a week set asid eto buy all this! Over 6 months! Talk about a long term comitment...