Exxon

BobMcG

ND13 wrote:

I read it the way you did. If not, sorry Bob, I'll just have to remove you from my hero list

You got it right.

BobMcG

faster100 wrote:

i either read bobs thread wrong or the last part i quoted wasnt being sarcastic like i thought sarcastic in a good way that i agreed with.. if not well, i dunno

Believe me, it was sarcastic in a good way that you agreed with.

mrmusicman

Why doesn't OPEC raise production to level out supply and demand?
Why didn't the goverment (not to mention names),make some sort of deal with Kuwait for oil after we handed them their country back?Or for that matter Iraq?

Answer to both questions:

Because these are the people who are fu#*ing us .

faster100

rock on BOB

Skynut

F1nut wrote:

My .02, Fuxxon and all the other slime ball oil companies are bending each and everyone of you over and it seems that a lot of you like it. Fuxxon made a net profit of $10 billion, Shill made $9 billion. In fact, every oil company made huge profits this past quarter from HIGH gas prices, nothing else. It scares me that some of you think this is ok. I mean, you can't even tell when smoke is being blown up your arse!!! How effing stupid are you?

Amen to that.

How do they all make record profits???....... Price fixing.
When fuxxon crashes a barge into some chunk of land that jumps out in front of their drunk pilot Shuvron raises their prices right along with all the other companies. What does a fuxxon spill have to do with the price of fuel everywhere else?

If a Coke plant burns down do you think Pepsi should cost more?
If a truck full of Marlboro ciggaretts bursts into flames should all the smokers pay more for their paul mauls? I think not but when any refinery farts all the prices jump before the next tanker arrives.

It is AFU if you ask me.

ND13

BobMcG wrote:

You got it right.

Good, you are still my "Hero of the Week"

Lord knows I need one. I've been home sick with a stomach virus for 2 days. My wife backed into my new Dakota, that JUST got out of the bodyshop. My mom just called to inform me that her last Dachschund died this morning, a year after her first one died. What a last 2 days I've had

BobMcG

Demiurge

Sorry if I made it sound like I took offense to your post. I thought your post was quite valid and wasn't figured into my post.

BobMcG

One thing to note though. Notice how when a natural disaster happens, the gov steps in to see to it that retailers don't price gouge on things like rebuilding materials, generators and water and such........

Demiurge

BobMcG wrote:

Demiurge

Sorry if I made it sound like I took offense to your post. I thought your post was quite valid and wasn't figured into my post.

Nah, I'm just irritated in general by the bashing of business, and just chose to quote your post .

The only reason Exxon is getting mention and not say....BP/Amoco, is because they made more money and made the headlines. I'm just trying to throw some perspective into the mix here, because it's not so cut and dry as Exxon being evil and setting our gas prices. People do work there and they're feeling the same affects as everyone else who doesn't. Exxon simply is not powerful enough to fix the prices and these companies aren't in cahoots with eachother. There's truly more to it than that.

BobMcG

ND13 wrote:

Good, you are still my "Hero of the Week"

Lord knows I need one. I've been home sick with a stomach virus for 2 days. My wife backed into my new Dakota, that JUST got out of the bodyshop. My mom just called to inform me that her last Dachschund died this morning, a year after her first one died. What a last 2 days I've had

:eek: Man, you need more than a hero. You need a break.

Just think though.....

You'll fell better - again. Your truck will get fixed - again. Your mom can get another Dachschund - again. The sun will come out - again.

Now, don't you feel a little bit better already.

Demiurge

BobMcG wrote:

One thing to note though. Notice how when a natural disaster happens, the gov steps in to see to it that retailers don't price gouge on things like rebuilding materials, generators and water and such........

Prices were going up before Katrina hit. Crippling a number of refineries in the region didn't help. Gas prices seem to have stabalized back to pre-Katrina days from what I can see. Doesn't make the price justified, that's determined by the market, but it does give a 'why'.

If you want what I have, you're going to have to tell me how much you're willing to pay for it. **** people in a position of helplessness is wrong, but that's also an ethics issue.

ND13

BobMcG wrote:

:eek: Man, you need more than a hero. You need a break.

Just think though.....

You'll fell better - again. Your truck will get fixed - again. Your mom can get another Dachschund - again. The sun will come out - again.

Now, don't you feel a little bit better already.

Yeah, just , PLEASE don't break into that "The Sun'll Come out Tommorrow" song from Little Orphan Annie. That song would make me want to stay home for a week, from all the heaving :eek:

Skynut

ND13 wrote:

Yeah, just , PLEASE don't break into that "The Sun'll Come out Tommorrow" song from Little Orphan Annie. That song would make me want to stay home for a week, from all the heaving :eek:

Don't worry, the sun will come out tomorrow. bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow......... ther'll be sunshine........ la.la.la.la.la.

Skynut

sorry, i just had to.

scottnbnj

i'm not rich. i doubt many here would envy my lifestyle. but i'm self-employed, and i don't see evil oil's profit margins as huge, much less deserving of the radical charges aimed at them here.

they are huge companies. i believe, they employ and put food on the tables of hundreds of thousands of employees. they sell their product in every corner of the country and service, at least, hundreds of millions of people daily. everything here is huge numbers, except the percentage of their sale that is profit, as far as i can tell.

an extra few hundred bucks a year hurts me. and i don't like it. but i look around, people drive big vehicles, maybe they don't need them, maybe they do, that's their choice. they pay for gas on credit cards, which is charged back to people who pay cash too, and, btw, that 2-3% that evil oil pays credit card companies for credit sales, i think, is more than their profit on the sale too. anyway, next time suv'ers buy they will reevalute how wise their choice was. maybe they'll take a hit when they sell it and someone who really needs it will get a deal, and the message will be sent back to the oil companies and auto manufacturers and the gov't and the people who protest drilling and on and on.

folks in gov't instigate, what i believe are, misconceptions about oil companies being evil to detract attention from their own waste and misuse of money they are in to us for. gov't takes several times what big oil's profits are on every sale. these same folks won't for a second think maybe things are bad now, ease up on the tax. no, they look for new ways to get more money out of oil companies and our dependence on oil and make things more difficult for us to have cheaper fuel. while at the same time finding new ways to extract every cent from us that they can dream up.

i mean, i look at the few hundred bucks i spend on gas, and whatever the increase is, and it is nothing compared to what gov't takes multiple times from every purchase i make, property taxes, income taxes and on and on.

i mean, i don't come here looking to run down gov't. i've never started any such thread and i let a lot of replies go where i could add my 2 cents. but, when i look at the heat in the charges directed at oil companies here, it makes me think y'all are wasting your energy on a goat and not looking at the real fundamental problem.

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ND13

Hope you're having fun with that Duramax :eek:

faster100

Oh Noel, suck it up... shitting your brains out at work aint that bad, be glad you have a job!! trucks are material, see what ya get for having 2 vehicles.. if ya had only 1 you couldnt back into anything, and dogs are a dime a dozen stop feeling bad for your mom and spend some of that 2 channel rig money and get the poor lady another one.. Problem solved!! stop whinning and do something,


Course i was trying to be sarcastic and play the "shut up and change card' LOL

Ya know i like ya Noel!! bad thing is people will feel this way for real though

ND13

I wish it was coming out that end only. It really sucks to have to hold the trash can while sitting on the toilet.

George Grand

Ethics and greed baby. Don't delude yourself with tales of supply and demand, business is business, the wonders of a capitalist society, or any other crap. It is pure, unadulterated greed that drives this ****, and nothing else.

faster100

Yeah, my wife been sick for the last few days too, and my 2 girls have a cough.. luckily i'm fine so far to take care of them,

Skynut

ND13 wrote:

Hope you're having fun with that Duramax :eek:

I am loving the Dmax. It is getting an average of 2 mpg better than the Dakota was. 16 around town. (of course diesel is more expensive than reg now.)

Going to Bakersfield tomorrow so I will see what a real road trip might fetch for mileage.

I am getting ready to put new tires on the Grand Am and start getting my 24 mpg back.

ND13

George Grand wrote:

Ethics and greed baby. Don't delude yourself with tales of supply and demand, business is business, the wonders of a capitalist society, or any other crap. It is pure, unadulterated greed that drives this ****, and nothing else.

Damnit, now I'm gonna have to start a "Top 5 Heros" list. :rolleyes:

ND13

ND13 wrote:

Damnit, now I'm gonna have to start a "Top 5 Heros" list. :rolleyes:

F1
Bob
George
Anthony

Hmmm, who'll be added to the list. I'm not gonna try to number them, though.

BobMcG

Demiurge wrote:

Prices were going up before Katrina hit. Crippling a number of refineries in the region didn't help. Gas prices seem to have stabalized back to pre-Katrina days from what I can see. Doesn't make the price justified, that's determined by the market, but it does give a 'why'.

I agree that prices were going up before Katrina hit. I agree refineries were crippled. After that.........

When I left for work at 1:30 am the Monday morning of the week of Katrina I saw where gas at my fill-up spot had gone from $1.72 to $1.77 per gallon. Four days later I leave a point almost 200 miles from home looking at pumps saying $4.00 per gallon. Another 100 miles closer to home I have to get gas so I stop and pay $3.70 a gal. Now mind you the east coast is claimed to be a bit out of the thickest part of the problem because it is only 10% dependent on oil from the Katrina area. What ever. Prices where I am have come down as others have and is anywhere from $2.54 to $2.69 per gal. It will have to fall a lot more to get back near pre-Katrina days.

Demiurge

George Grand wrote:

Ethics and greed baby. Don't delude yourself with tales of supply and demand, business is business, the wonders of a capitalist society, or any other crap. It is pure, unadulterated greed that drives this ****, and nothing else.

Sound like someone who has never run a business before. Such is the case of the majority of the people in this country. Everyone thinks it's some kind of damn walk in the park until they actually do it. Perks are perks, but the guy sitting out on the shop floor pissing and moaning about the 'fat cat who sits on his **** all day doing nothing' doesn't notice what he does until he stops doing it.

Things are peachy keen when the company is making a profit this year. Next year sales are down and the owner is pumping in hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money just to pay the bills and keep the lights on. It gets like that sometime. Meanwhile all his workers still expect that fat bonus at then end of the year and a nice big Christmas party at the end of the year, regardless of the year the company is having.

You tell me, who is greedy? Everyone wants to relish in the successes of the business, but nobody wants anything to change in the down times, and every company has them. So am I greedy or are the folks that view the world this way the greedy ones? How about donating back some of your paycheck when things aren't going as well? After all, I can use it to pay these bills so we can keep the machines running. Painting every business owner with a broad brush is what fuels this ignorance. Me, I like to keep my employees happy. When they're happy we're making money together. Everyone gets raises and everyone gets nicer things. They can put their kids in better schools, afford to live in a better neighborhood, whatever you choose in life. I'm happy, you're happy. Tell me why my salary shoudln't reflect the risk I take of possibly losing the money I invested in my business, assuming I'm compensating my employees with the successes.

The oil issue is S & D. Supply and Demand fuels the economy, nothing else. People who are motivated by money are motivated by money, I know I wouldn't work for someone who was and who didn't treat me fairly, and believe it or not that would be my choice.

It's easier to talk about who's supposedly effin' who though.

Demiurge

BobMcG wrote:

I agree that prices were going up before Katrina hit. I agree refineries were crippled. After that.........

When I left for work at 1:30 am the Monday morning of the week of Katrina I saw where gas at my fill-up spot had gone from $1.72 to $1.77 per gallon. Four days later I leave a point almost 200 miles from home looking at pumps saying $4.00 per gallon. Another 100 miles closer to home I have to get gas so I stop and pay $3.70 a gal. Now mind you the east coast is claimed to be a bit out of the thickest part of the problem because it is only 10% dependent on oil from the Katrina area. What ever. Prices where I am have come down as others have and is anywhere from $2.54 to $2.69 per gal. It will have to fall a lot more to get back near pre-Katrina days.

Sometimes I forget I live in the highest taxed state in the country. The gas here was over $2.50 a gallon before the hurricane. Chigagoland was pretty much the same. So I guess I've been used to this for a good while.

F1nut

It's got NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with S&D. The only thing it has to do with is GREED!!! I'm in business for myself, I know all about business theory and I also know BS when I see it.

Skynut

Greed is why the top executives get paid 10's of millions of dollars and get even bigger bonuses sometimes but when the going gets tough....They lay off the little guys.
Rarely do you hear of an exec. that will take a pay cut or step down from a job because there is little or no profit on his/her watch.

Demiurge

F1nut wrote:

It's got NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING to do with S&D. The only thing it has to do with is GREED!!! I'm in business for myself, I know all about business theory and I also know BS when I see it.

If that's what you think, do someting about it. Now where are we at? Still need someone to come up with an alternate source of energy. Eff Exxon, Eff BP, Eff all the oil companies. As fun as that outburst was they're still some of the handfull of oil companies out there. Now what? We've effectively called them greedy, time to step up to the plate and hit them where it hurts, the pocketbook.

How about nuclear power? :eek:

I'm not sure where whining ever got anyone. Those greedy business types better get to work so we can have something else to compain about.

Skynut

I am going to make a car that runs on water, I think I will call it.....












A Boat.