For all interested in soeaker cables and interconnects

ESavinon
ESavinon Posts: 3,066
edited November 2005 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
For all interested in interconnects and speaker cables read these:

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/intere.html

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/spkcbl_e.html

btw,great website check it out.
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  • kenb123
    kenb123 Posts: 7
    edited November 2005
    For all of you who are loyal fans of the HSU sub-woofers I got mine today and took the opportunity to ask Dr Hsu about speaker cables. Most of what I read said skip the Monster, etc.. and get 12 GA from Home Depot.

    I was pleasantly surprised - his response was "Home Depot wire" - and he said unless you have long runs save your money and get 14 GA or 16GA.
    Ken - Newly Converted Polk Fan

    Fronts - RTI8
    Center - CSI5
    Surround - RTI4
    Sub - HSU VTF3-MK2
    Receiver - JVC RXD702B
    TV - Panasonic TH-50PX500U
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,653
    edited November 2005
    I wouldn't listen to Dr. Hsu.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited November 2005
    I don't trust any Dr. that won't bother to buy another vowel so his name makes sense. ;)
    HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable

    2 Channel Thorens TD 318 Grado ZF1, SACD/CD Marantz 8260, Soundstream/Krell DAC1, Audio Mirror PP1, Odyssey Stratos, ADS L-1290, ICs-DIY Twisted , Speaker-Raymond Cable
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    Sounds like Dr. Hsu has common sense. No problems with my Home Depot wiring.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    I coulda sworn that this poor horse was beaten to an unrecognizable pulp in the last 2,000 cable threads.

    Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, etc...That's MY take on the subject...and I stand by it.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • Holydoc
    Holydoc Posts: 1,048
    edited November 2005
    Though this has been beat to death, some general guidance of wire gauge is always nice:

    http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#resistancehigh
    Holydoc (Home Theatre Lover)
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    PolkAudio - CSi5 (Center)
    PolkAudio - FXi3 (Back and Surround)
    SVS - PB-12/Plus (Subwoofer)
    Bluejean Cables - Interconnects
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
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  • kenb123
    kenb123 Posts: 7
    edited November 2005
    Forgive those of us that are new and haven't yet read the thousands of posts.

    Also I understand that opinions are like A@@holes everyone has one. That is why there are many cables/speakers and subwoofers to choose from. On this forum you only find Pro Polk speaker fans - but once you get into subwoofers and accessories there are differences in opinions.

    As a side note I read alot of research and what I read led me to the HSU subwoofer over the SVS - it fit my needs. I was impressed with Dr Hsu - but that's my opinion.

    By the way - he has a PHD from MIT and is a member of the Boston Audio Society - your credentials are????? I can tell you majored in Copy/Paste and have mastered throwing wasting space on a forum where people are looking for help without adding any value.
    Ken - Newly Converted Polk Fan

    Fronts - RTI8
    Center - CSI5
    Surround - RTI4
    Sub - HSU VTF3-MK2
    Receiver - JVC RXD702B
    TV - Panasonic TH-50PX500U
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  • thehaens@cox.net
    thehaens@cox.net Posts: 1,012
    edited November 2005
    ^^^^^Majored in Copy/Paste............that is a good one, I am going to use that one as my own...
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    kenb123 wrote:
    By the way - he has a PHD from MIT and is a member of the Boston Audio Society - your credentials are????? I can tell you majored in Copy/Paste and have mastered throwing wasting space on a forum where people are looking for help without adding any value.

    Look at my first post. I AGREE with Dr. Hsu and I am running Home Depot wire.

    Do I need credentials for my statement of fact?

    If you don't get it, that's fine, but stop acting like you just received a wing-tipped ****!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    Yeah PT.....what ARE your credentials? :rolleyes:
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    shack wrote:
    Yeah PT.....what ARE your credentials? :rolleyes:

    heh heh, you know this forum rocks when I need credentials to say :

    "Sounds like Dr. Hsu has common sense. No problems with my Home Depot wiring."
    Never Forget
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2005
    Still no credetials and now you are repeating yourself.....

    man are you a glutton for punishment.... :D:D

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,653
    edited November 2005
    kenb123 wrote:
    Also I understand that opinions are like A@@holes everyone has one. That is why there are many cables/speakers and subwoofers to choose from. On this forum you only find Pro Polk speaker fans - but once you get into subwoofers and accessories there are differences in opinions.

    More than just opinions, there are actual differences in cables and speakers. Sure, you will find pro Polk speaker fans here, but a great many of us own speakers from different companies. In fact, some of us prefer the other speakers, so you are wrong about finding only pro Polk speaker fans here.
    As a side note I read alot of research and what I read led me to the HSU subwoofer over the SVS - it fit my needs. I was impressed with Dr Hsu - but that's my opinion.

    Nothing wrong with that.
    By the way - he has a PHD from MIT and is a member of the Boston Audio Society - your credentials are????? I can tell you majored in Copy/Paste and have mastered throwing wasting space on a forum where people are looking for help without adding any value.

    That doesn't mean squat to me. If he can't hear the difference between cables, then I have to question his hearing abilities and if you, yourself haven't tried different cables then you really don't know, do you?

    As for the second comment, too funny.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    McLoki wrote:
    Still no credetials and now you are repeating yourself.....

    man are you a glutton for punishment.... :D:D

    Michael

    Oh, I didn't think anybody really wanted to know. I received my Bachelor's degree in '96, my MBA in Dec. '04 (4.0GPA on the MBA). I sold A/V gear for a couple years. I use an ECM8000, Eurorack802 and TruRTA Level4 to measure differences in sub placement, speaker frequency response, etc. I have a dedicated home theater room. I've calibrated other peoples home theaters. BUT, I still put my pants on, one leg at a time. :p
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited November 2005
    PolkThug wrote:
    BUT, I still put my pants on, one leg at a time. :p

    I stand on the bed, jump in the air, and put both legs in at once... My credentials are twice as good as yours... :p:p

    Michael
    Mains.............Polk LSi15 (Cherry)
    Center............Polk LSiC (Crossover upgraded)
    Surrounds.......Polk LSi7 (Gloss Black - wood sides removed and crossovers upgraded)
    Subwoofers.....SVS 25-31 CS+ and PC+ (both 20hz tune)
    Pre\Pro...........NAD T163 (Modded with LM4562 opamps)
    Amplifier.........Cinepro 3k6 (6-channel, 500wpc@4ohms)
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited November 2005
    McLoki wrote:
    I stand on the bed, jump in the air, and put both legs in at once... My credentials are twice as good as yours... :p:p

    Michael

    If I don't post tomorrow, its because I'm in the hospital with two broken legs. :D
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited November 2005
    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

    You're both crazy!!!! :D:D



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by McLoki
    I stand on the bed, jump in the air, and put both legs in at once... My credentials are twice as good as yours...

    Michael
    PolkThug wrote:
    If I don't post tomorrow, its because I'm in the hospital with two broken legs. :D
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    I've got you both beat....I TAKE MY PANTS OFF...both legs at the same time (not sitting down) and better BS.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited November 2005
    Must be a full moon in cycle! Or some sort of macho mind control thing going on! :D
    Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited November 2005
    cfrizz wrote:
    Must be a full moon in cycle! Or some sort of macho mind control thing going on! :D
    It beats the hell out of discussing whether or not cables make a difference...IMHO. (which BTW, I have the credentials and I am more than qualified to discuss in great detail...because I say so)
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited November 2005
    I have someone to take off and on request put on my pants.. :p:p:p
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    edited November 2005
    Care about your overall sound quality? Then take the time to try.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited November 2005
    Dr. Hsus' opinion should be as valued as the next....just because it doesn't fall into "your" category, doesn't make it any less valuable. There are individuals that simply find no positive influence from cables and do not subscribe to that theory. I'm a cable believer, but not trying to convert anyone like it's a fact. As long as you try to find out, and make your own opinion, you're solid in my book.

    I don't give one flying fork if you agree with the cable theory idea, but unless you conduct your own "testing" hence the subsequent conclusion, you're worthless and your opinion means nothing.

    PolkThug is solid in my book, due to the fact that he took the time to try.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited November 2005
    Has anyone checked the links on the initial thread?
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • mldennison
    mldennison Posts: 307
    edited November 2005
    i thought they were pretty good, just skimmed through alot of it (someone needs to tell him that the return key is NOT his friend) but i thought there was some good stuff there. i think the author did a very good job of translating how the technical thongs (inductance, em rejection) relate to something we can actually hear, which is something i have not seen much of.

    thanks for the link!

    btw- i have tried the 2 legged pants thing, with disasterous results!!!
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited November 2005
    FYI I just found out Coblat Cables is head quartered here in Spokane. Although the cables are not made here... the two guys who are audiophiles who built the company are. so i'm going to seek em out and give their cables a try.

    If i'm not back in three days.. send out a search party to look for me. :p
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  • PolknPepsi
    PolknPepsi Posts: 781
    edited November 2005
    ESAVINON wrote:
    Has anyone checked the links on the initial thread?
    "Stranded or not Stranded.....that is the question"

    That article reminds me I need to stop by Home Depot for some solid
    speaker/electrical cable, right now I'm using stranded.

    Thanks for the links.

    ...Cobalt cables look very nice!
    Denon #2900, Denon stereo receiver, Conrad Johnson Sonographe 120 amp, Blue Jeans cables, and Klipsch RF-7's
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