Tubes and Club Polk

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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited October 2005
    organ wrote:
    And tube rolling is so much fun. I love being able to tweak the sound to get what I want.

    Ok dumb question. This tube rolling that I keep hearing about. Am I right in assuming that is reffering to switching out tubes for different sounds? If not I'm ok with looking stupid. :rolleyes:
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited October 2005
    cmy330go wrote:
    If not I'm ok with looking stupid. :rolleyes:

    That's a great thing. You can learn a lot with that attitude. Unfortunately, I find it harder to come by that kind of an attitude. :o
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  • Dennis Gardner
    Dennis Gardner Posts: 4,861
    edited October 2005
    Rolling = Swapping, it just sounds much more :cool: :cool: :cool:
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    cmy330go wrote:
    Ok dumb question. This tube rolling that I keep hearing about. Am I right in assuming that is reffering to switching out tubes for different sounds? If not I'm ok with looking stupid. :rolleyes:

    Yes, you are correct in your asumption :D
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2005
    Ok; can you all just please STOP THIS THREAD????

    Today I am returning the HK 3480, which I liked a lot, with less than one month use. I decided to change because YOU PEOPLE always talk about separates this and separates that; well, I am grabbing from a CP member an Adcom 555 bundle (GFP and GFA) to drive my SDA 1B's.

    I would very much appreciate if you let me enjoy the separates, that will not arrive until next week, for at least a couple of months. So please stop talking about all the great things that tubes bring.

    Thanks.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    OOPS!!!! Sorry :o
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2005
    Thanks. :):):)
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    HTrookie wrote:
    Ok; can you all just please STOP THIS THREAD????

    Today I am returning the HK 3480, which I liked a lot, with less than one month use. I decided to change because YOU PEOPLE always talk about separates this and separates that; well, I am grabbing from a CP member an Adcom 555 bundle (GFP and GFA) to drive my SDA 1B's.

    I would very much appreciate if you let me enjoy the separates, that will not arrive until next week, for at least a couple of months. So please stop talking about all the great things that tubes bring.

    Thanks.
    did you see my thread on the Dodd tube preamplifiers that Tweek Geek.com has on sale, for a mere $389.00 you can get a brand new Dodd ELP tube preamp and find out what all the fuss is about. thanks....WCW III
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited October 2005
    W WALDECKER wrote:
    did you see my thread on the Dodd tube preamplifiers that Tweek Geek.com has on sale, for a mere $389.00 you can get a brand new Dodd ELP tube preamp and find out what all the fuss is about. thanks....WCW III

    No; NO;NO.....

    This is exactly what I DON'T need....

    I'm not listening...I'm not listening...I'm not listening......
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    HTrookie wrote:
    Ok; can you all just please STOP THIS THREAD????

    Today I am returning the HK 3480, which I liked a lot, with less than one month use. I decided to change because YOU PEOPLE always talk about separates this and separates that; well, I am grabbing from a CP member an Adcom 555 bundle (GFP and GFA) to drive my SDA 1B's.

    I would very much appreciate if you let me enjoy the separates, that will not arrive until next week, for at least a couple of months. So please stop talking about all the great things that tubes bring.

    Thanks.
    When you receive the adcom gear, you are going to be impressed, have fun with the two, then at some point in time,down the road so to speak,you may want to tweak,just as I have,I tell you that to tell you this, I moved the 555 to my main system,and could not believe the way it made my 1c's sing, IMHO every amp has it's own signature, you will not be disapointed, I had plans to have it modded,because I did not think that anyone one grab it,trust me ,you are going to love the move that you are about to make,if you do not like it,send it back and I will return your money :) I doubt,however,that will be the case,ENJOY the music that you are about to hear,it's fun :D:D
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited October 2005
    cmy330go wrote:
    Ok dumb question. This tube rolling that I keep hearing about. Am I right in assuming that is reffering to switching out tubes for different sounds? If not I'm ok with looking stupid. :rolleyes:

    Yup. Different brands have different sound.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited October 2005
    organ wrote:
    Yup. Different brands have different sound.

    And I'm looking forward to discovering that myself! :)
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited October 2005
    madmax wrote:
    ....This noise is not a hiss, not a pop, not a lean or thin sound. It varys with the music being played and truthfully I had never noticed it until hearing the tubes which does not contain it. It is a dynamic noise. Turn the source off and it is dead quiet. Many contend it is the odd harmonics. They are probably right......madmax

    Do you feel that the noise you are speaking of here is from a preamp, amp, or both? I'm just curious if a hybrid setup of tubes an SS will eliminate this noise you and so many are talking about.
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited October 2005
    Hey Bliss,
    Just saw the FM forum. Congrats on the Wave 8's. If you find an ASL AQ2004DT pre amp and the price is right, go for it. The 2004 is the matching pre amp for the Wave 8's. I have one and love it. It's discontinued. I believe they retailed for $299 when they were still around.

    Maurice
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited October 2005
    HTrookie wrote:
    Ok; can you all just please STOP THIS THREAD????

    Today I am returning the HK 3480, which I liked a lot, with less than one month use. I decided to change because YOU PEOPLE always talk about separates this and separates that; well, I am grabbing from a CP member an Adcom 555 bundle (GFP and GFA) to drive my SDA 1B's.

    I would very much appreciate if you let me enjoy the separates, that will not arrive until next week, for at least a couple of months. So please stop talking about all the great things that tubes bring.

    Thanks.

    Boy did you blow it :rolleyes:

    :D
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited October 2005
    organ - Thanks for the suggestion about the AQ2004DT. I may have to look into that further down the road.
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    Jstas wrote: »
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2005
    cmy330go wrote:
    Do you feel that the noise you are speaking of here is from a preamp, amp, or both? I'm just curious if a hybrid setup of tubes an SS will eliminate this noise you and so many are talking about.

    It's my finding that it comes from the amp. I can use a SS pre with the tube amp and not notice it. I do notice the sound is less involving with the SS preamp.

    So, IMO, with a tube pre/SS amp I hear the noise but am involved with the music, with a SS pre/tube amp I do not hear the sound but am not involved. Keep in mind these are only my findings with a handful of pre's and amps. I do not have any megabuck amplifiers. My best ones are the Carver Silver 9t's. While a good deal at $1300 msrp (maybe $700 used) they are not anything like the Musical Fidelity equipment. I bring up the MF gear because the ones I heard (thanks to F1Nut) have a tube pre/SS amp and do not have this noise. It can be done with SS but is quite expensive.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2005
    Wow, I guess I was not doing it right rolling my tubes on the rug. I thought the more you rolled them the better they sounded, you know, breaking them in I was up to rolling each 1000 times before using it, well, my old knees will be better for it.

    Damm that RuSsman giving me the business.

    Max,

    I have had the same experience. Strange but yes some tubes seem to have a black background.

    RT1
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2005
    reeltrouble1 wrote:
    Wow, I guess I was not doing it right rolling my tubes on the rug. I thought the more you rolled them the better they sounded, you know, breaking them in I was up to rolling each 1000 times before using it, well, my old knees will be better for it.
    RT1

    Here all this time I was using the "roll your own" papers from the 7-11 store...

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited October 2005
    Madmax,
    Is this sound you're describing sort of like a 'haze'? If it is, I hear the same thing mostly in the mids with my SS amp.

    Maurice
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  • HBombToo
    HBombToo Posts: 5,256
    edited October 2005
    if anyone is rolling anything I better be invited!

    HBomb
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited October 2005
    organ wrote:
    Madmax,
    Is this sound you're describing sort of like a 'haze'? If it is, I hear the same thing mostly in the mids with my SS amp.

    Maurice


    Not really, its more like a mid to high frequency distorted sound which is not nearly as loud as the intended signal.

    Actually, if you wanted to hear that sound alone, it is the same as if you put a diode in series with one of the wires going to your speaker. It's not the exact same sound but very close. Don't try that with a tube amp though, use an el-cheapo radio or something.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    HBombToo wrote:
    if anyone is rolling anything I better be invited!

    HBomb


    +1 :D :cool:
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