yet another happy Dodd ELP owner

ohskigod
ohskigod Posts: 6,502
edited October 2005 in 2 Channel Audio
I got the Dodd I picked up off Audiogon (with ND13's help, thanx again!!)
and some 6922 tubes (JAN I think) from unc2701 (Thanx to you too)

It is a significant improvement over the Radii I was using, not that I didnt like that unit, it served me well.

The Dodd is definitly more detailed across the board. The bass responce seems very slightly diminished, and a skosh more warmth would be nice, but I'm assuming these little issues will be rectified with some tube rolling. It can also be my basement, as I said before, I definitly have listening environment issues I will have to address to get to the next level.

Oddly enough, this thing seems to make my amp work harder. more gain perhaps? the power meters on my Carver dance around like hell when I push them, where the Radii seemed to struggle to get higher volumes. Basically, with the Dodd, I have good sound at any volume level I choose, up to, and well beyond, my volume comfort level. its just clean and effortless.

so now, just as I asked with my Jolida, I'm hoping to get tube suggestions from the more learned amongst us, especially Dodd owners.
Living Room 2 Channel -
Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    Lou,

    So far, my favorite tubes have been the Amperex Bugle Boys from Holland(6DJ8 w/ white lettering vintage 1961+/-). The perfect tube, so far. Believe it or not, the new 6922 Groove Tubes sound really good right out of the box(got them for $19.80 shipped for a matched pair). They look like a copy of the Amperex to me. The 6DJ8 Amperex Globes that RuSs brought to me sound real nice, too, just not enough hours on them yet to really judge. I've got some Eis and Siemans on the way. The Jan 6922 blue letters I have aren't burned in yet, either.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited October 2005
    60's vintage Amperex and Siemens are both real nice in the ELP.
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited October 2005
    cool, looks like I have a starting point. Let the fun begin :)
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2005
    I'll repeat myself 7308's if you can find em cheap... next bugle boys ;)
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    faster100 wrote:
    myself 7308's if you can find em cheap...


    There in lies the problem. Finding them cheap, if at all. The cheapest I've been able to find "true" 7308s has been in the $100+ range for each :D .
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited October 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    faster100 wrote:
    myself 7308's if you can find em cheap...


    There in lies the problem. Finding them cheap, if at all. The cheapest I've been able to find "true" 7308s has been in the $100+ range for each :D .


    GOD@MN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    might have to hold off on trying 7308's .............LOL :p
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2005
    Nah, if you find singles and aint anal :D about them being made within minutes of each other, close matched.. ive bought 3 singles at around 30 bucks each.. a good pair are around 80 -150 and a great pair from 125 -200 a pair..
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2

    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
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  • DAGLJAM6
    DAGLJAM6 Posts: 635
    edited October 2005
    dragon1952 wrote:
    60's vintage Amperex and Siemens are both real nice in the ELP.

    Yep, 2nd full week of listening and swapped in the Siemens. I'm leaning heavily on these over the Amperex.
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    DAGLJAM6 wrote:
    Yep, 2nd full week of listening and swapped in the Siemens. I'm leaning heavily on these over the Amperex.

    I can't wait til those Siemens get here if they sound that good. :)
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited October 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    I can't wait til those Siemens get here if they sound that good. :)

    They're on their way. Should have them by Friday ;)
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited October 2005
    First of all, congrats on your ELP. Glad to hear you're enjoying it.

    So far, you've been given a list of older tubes. IMO the Amperex 7308 is the best I've heard. For current production I like JJ 6922 best.

    Maurice
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited October 2005
    will look for some of those listed tubes to play with, I know they had bugle boys on sale at polkfest, if only I knew (smacking myself in the head)

    orderred some EI elites for kicks and giggles, I remember someone saying they liked them in the Dodd, and I love the 12AX7's in my Jolida.
    Living Room 2 Channel -
    Schiit SYS Passive Pre. Jolida CD player. Songbird streamer. California Audio Labs Sigma II DAC, DIY 300as1/a1 Ice modules Class D amp. LSi15 with MM842 woofer upgrade, Nordost Blue Heaven and Unity interconnects.

    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

    Studio Rig - Scarlett 18i20(Gen3) DAW, Mac Mini, Aiyma A07 Max (BridgedX2), Totem Mites
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    Just moved into tubes last nite , AI line 1,any suggestions on tubes,brand/where to buy,currently using sovtek e88cc? I don't know why I did not make this move earlier,,great googlammoo :D glies
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    What'd you get George?
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    george daniel wrote:
    Just moved into tubes last nite , AI line 1,any suggestions on tubes,brand/where to buy,currently using sovtek e88cc? I don't know why I did not make this move earlier,,great googlammoo :D glies
    congradulations ohskigod on the new Dodd preamp! hey George,congradulations to you also. good things come to those who wait.tube world .com has recomendations for 6922/6JD8 family of tubes for the Audible illusions preamplifiers. yeah you waited a while to do the tube preamp thing but you sure got yourself a great one!.......thanks ........WCW III
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    :D I picked up an Audible Illusions L-1,my FIRST tube pre, I have been switching between fasters para-1200 and my last adcom 555 thru 1'cs,I'm like a kid in a candy store,even hooked up my old laserdisc,put on some hendrix, f-mac,back to dvd,--Santana, Page/Plant,then to CD's,,I think that I'll have to listen to everything again, the smoothness,seamless transition from mids to highs,,everything that I was missing in my system is now there,depth of soundstage,not to mention the warmth and ease of listening(bass also impressed me). Been up since 4am with the headphones,I'm just overwhelmed. Now, on to try a belles 350, I cannot thank the members of this forum enough,for the advice,hook ups,etc,, Thanks :D:D:D:D
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    george daniel wrote:
    :D I picked up an Audible Illusions L-1,my FIRST tube pre, I have been switching between fasters para-1200 and my last adcom 555 thru 1'cs,I'm like a kid in a candy store,even hooked up my old laserdisc,put on some hendrix, f-mac,back to dvd,--Santana, Page/Plant,then to CD's,,I think that I'll have to listen to everything again, the smoothness,seamless transition from mids to highs,,everything that I was missing in my system is now there,depth of soundstage,not to mention the warmth and ease of listening(bass also impressed me). Been up since 4am with the headphones,I'm just overwhelmed. Now, on to try a belles 350, I cannot thank the members of this forum enough,for the advice,hook ups,etc,, Thanks :D:D:D:D
    a Belles 350 WOW! you are talking about some serious gear there buddy.David Belles is a great audio designer and the 350 is his top of the line power amplifier. you are picking out some really great stuff man!
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    I have heard that the AI pre's and the belles amps are a match "made in heaven", its at least worth a listen, as I have a unit lined up for an audition in my home(local seller),, we'll see :)

    Opps, did not mean to deviate from the original thread,, a thousand pardons,,gonna go tube shopping :)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    DAGLJAM6 wrote:
    Yep, 2nd full week of listening and swapped in the Siemens. I'm leaning heavily on these over the Amperex.

    I did a couple of hours of listening with the CBSs(Siemens) and I think they are an excellent tube. I still like the Bugles a tad more, due to a tighter and deeper bass response. The Ei Elite gold pins look to be almost new. I think they need a little more burn-in, but they were definitely a great value. They were better with jazz than with rock. In alot of ways equal to the Siemens, but not quite as detailed, yet.

    As far as the Siemens go, when I had them driving the monos, which I've put some very nice Telefunken Diamond 12ax7s in, they were alot more on par with the Bugle Boys, but when switching over to the AMC 2100, the **** end went away. Maybe it was the tube pre/tube amp combo that meshed so well????

    Anyway, I hope that gives you a little more insight on the 6DJ8/6922/7308 variants.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    Good morning, WW & ND,I need some advice, I have the opportunity to get a Krell KSA 200b-200/ch or a belles 350a, both are about the same price.good shape Current system, A I L-1 Rotel 955 cd, 1 c's, velodyne uld 15 (may not need anymore). I need to pull the trigger soon, any advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance :)

    Edit; anyone else with experience in this area please feel free to jump in :)
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    george daniel wrote:
    Good morning, WW & ND,I need some advice, I have the opportunity to get a Krell KSA 200b-200/ch or a belles 350a, both are about the same price.good shape Current system, A I L-1 Rotel 955 cd, 1 c's, velodyne uld 15 (may not need anymore). I need to pull the trigger soon, any advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance :)

    Edit; anyone else with experience in this area please feel free to jump in :)
    Hey George, i know a guy on the audiocircles who had a KSA 200 and without warning the main board in the amplifier fried and it cost him a bundle to fix. the Belles Amplifiers are supposed to have very good synergy with the Audible illusions preamplifiers.my last two amplifier choices have been monoblocks and i very much prefer 1 Amplifier per channel for two channel audio.this allows me another degree of seperation just like when i went to a seperate amplifier and preamplifier. this is a personal choice and your mileage may vary. good luck....thanks....WCW III
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    Thanks :)
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    george daniel wrote:
    Thanks :)
    Hey George, i was doing a little research on the Belles 350 A and it is a dual mono design that weighs 65 lbs. i love overbuilt gear because it always seems to be much more problem free. if the synergy is as good between your Audible Illusions preamplifier and this power amplifier as i have heard it is. this may be the last two channel amplifier your main rig will ever see! dual monos are much better than normal stereo amplifiers. it means that you have two seperate amplifiers sharing a single chassis. this is a good thing!
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    George,

    I'd listen to WCW, on this. I'm sort of in the same situation that you are. From William's suggestion, I will be looking into an Odyssey. I was also looking into a Belles amp. I have never heard or read anything negative about the Belles gear, but have no personal experience with them. I've been away from the hobby since about 1993-94 and just got back into the "ADDICTION" late last year. I have alot of catching up to do when it comes to more modern gear. My last "NICE" rig consisted of Harman Kardon seperates and Advent Maestros(which I still have). When I was active, tubes were only reserved for the very wealthy and the lucky people that either inherited some old Mac stuff or found an estate sale or auction. Now, "quality" tube gear is readily available to the average hobbyist which, in my opinion, has sparked new interest in our hobby/passion for lots of people.

    I have to make some sort of decision, soon, as to which type of amp I want to utilize, all-tube, hybrid, or SS.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    Thanks guys,I too got back into the game,earlier this year, I am just overwhelmed with my newly acquired 1c's and L-1, I have been selling off my adcom gear and other items that are sitting around,so now I have some cash (thanks to the k-horn sale) . I appreciate the quick responces, I believe that I'm going to grab the Belles 350a and relax and enjoy the sound for awhile :)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited October 2005
    Don't think you can go wrong with that amp.

    Enjoy
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2005
    ND13 wrote:
    Don't think you can go wrong with that amp.

    Enjoy
    nope!
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,549
    edited October 2005
    Get the Belles 350 A.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2005
    I will comply :D:D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2005
    Big Daddy to Big Louie, Maurice is leading you the right direction, 7308 and then the JJ, I have been using the JJ and they are liquid in the mids, not harsh on the top and can dig. BTW, my ELP with my 1C's goes very low in the Woodshed so you may be on to something with your listening room.

    Of course you can always go to the next level, the MLP!!! :D

    RT1
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