Upgrading Rti8 to Rti12

Tequila

Hello Friends, this is my first post.

I have a question:

My team now for music is:

Rti8 Front, Rti6 surrounds, Csi3 Center, Csi3 Surround Back, Psw 505 bass.

My wish is upgrade to:

Rti12 Fronts, Rti8 Surrounds, Csi5 Center, Csi3 Surround back(same), Psw505 Bass.

Is a good change?
Is the Rti8 good team in surrounds?
Is really valid the money than I will pay for this new System?

My room is 3.5 x 3.5 mts
My amp is a marantz 4400, 80 w p/ch

Thank you friends.

fireshoes

I'm not sure that's the best use of your money. Will it be better? Yes, but not by much. If you are unhappy with the sound, going to a completely different line of speakers may be better, or keep the same speakers and upgrade the electronics (preamp and amps) or sub. I own the RTi12's btw.

ND13

wrong thread, my bad

disneyjoe7

I think you may like that upgrade as it would give you larger rear surrounds. But than again may not be to best use of $ if you didn't like the sound already. The Rti12 are a bit power hungy so this could be an issue, they are not designed for the lower AVR lines for sure IMHO.

BIZILL

Correctamundo! I Stayed Away From The Rti12's Because I Don't Want A Separate Amp (not Right Now, Anyway). You'll Most Definately Have To Upgrade Your Amp To Accomodate The Rti12's. The 8's Should Be Fine With The Power You Are Giving Them Already. I Have Chosen Rti8's For My Surrounds But They Have Not Arrived Via Ups Just Yet. I'm Sure That When They Come It Will Be Sweet. But To Be Honest, I Put My Rti6 Next To My Rti8 And There Was Not A Super-significant Difference Between The Two. The Rti6 Is "that" Good. Anyway, I'd Venture To Say, Upgrade Your Sub For Now, As I Plan To Do. Perhaps Grab Yourself A Csi5. Leave Your 8's And 6's Where They Are. Leave The Csi3 In The Rear. Play With Your Soundfields And/or Levels. Experiment With Different Speaker Placement Positions. Either That, Or Do Like Fireshoes Said, Move Up To Lsi's. Your Setup You Currently Own Should Sound Marvelous As It Is, Though.

Tequila

Thank you friends, I am learning this: I need change my amps if I want a better sound. If I only change my speakers the change is not great. I think then buy a Yamaha amp, with 130 w p/channel. Is this trademark and wts right for my rti team?

After, i may buy the Rti12...

I Willbe here, waiting for your answer.

Tequila.

gregure

I definitely think a better amp would be the best use of your money at this point. The Marantz is an ok piece, but their higher priced gear is much better. You could look into the Outlaw Audio 990/770 combo, it's only around $2500. That's a quality preamp, a 200 x 7 amp for less than the cost of a high end receiver (B&K 507 is $3500). That setup would be more than enough for RTi 12's although if you're looking for better sound for music, you may want to consider another type of speaker entirely.

BIZILL

also, from what i've read, you'd better put more than 130 watts to each rti12, well, at least to get some noticable upgraded sound.

Willow

BIZILL wrote:

But To Be Honest, I Put My Rti6 Next To My Rti8 And There Was Not A Super-significant Difference Between The Two. The Rti6 Is "that" Good. .

Then why did you change ? could have spent the $$ in another way which could have yielded better results.

BIZILL

i got all of my speakers via all of polk forum reviews. there is nowhere local to audition the rti line of speakers - only monitor series at circuit city. if i could've heard all the speakers in person, i'm sure i would've gotten 7 rti6's all the way around for matching speakers.

Tritonman

If you are looking for more brightness and some additional midrange i would go the RTi10's I personally noticed a large diff between the 2 sets. Personally (imo) the only thing that would warrant going to the RTi12's would be to achieve more bass. But if you have a good sub crossed over and tweaked appropriately then there is no need for the 12's. Unless of course you are running 2 channel stereo for music listening.


I would definately get a more powerful receiver. I would also highly recommend upgrading to the CSi5 center. I had never noticed how badly my center was doing its job until i got the CSi5. The center is incredible. Good choice on that one.

Just out of curiosity why are you using RTi8's as rear surrounds? I would think that to be overkill based on how surround encoding is done. You could sell the 8's buy a set of FXi5's for your side rears. I personally use those and they provide the best enveloping sound based on the bipole/dipole concept. I used to have direct radiating speakers and once i went the bipole/dipole route i never looked back. They would blend in very nicely with your rear center.

BIZILL

tritonman, tequila is in search of rti12's. i am the one with the rti8's as surrounds. i did so because i wanted louder explosions and effects to sound really rich when they are called to do so. also i figured it would sound better for all channel stereo. again, i had no way of auditioning these speaks first. bought deaf and blindly. i am still contemplating selling the rti8's and getting the fxi5's, but only because it would free up my walkway around the theater seating i've got coming soon.

disneyjoe7

I also use large towers as surrounds, and love the depth / explosions made by them.

Thou not 100% matched very cool

RTi150 Fronts
RT800i Rear surrounds
CSi400 center

Paradigm Servo -15 sub

BIZILL

i'm sure the fxi5 sounds terrific, but maybe i'll stick with the rti8's. hell, i don't have 'em hooked up to surrounds yet. they come via ups tomorrow. so i can still sell them brand new and get fxi5's instead. disney, you love the tower surrounds, aye?

Willow

I think Tequila could benefit from an upgrade in power and not to the 12's. Keep the 8 beef up the power.

BIZILL

i agree totally. the only reason i can figure he'd want better fronts is for more bass. i'm sure the psw505 is great and all, but why does it have him searching for more? or he wants more midrange and highs. the rti8's got them. tequila, what gives?

disneyjoe7

BIZILL wrote:

disney, you love the tower surrounds, aye?

Oh YAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baby, I actually brought FXi5 once for 7.1 but my HT / family room isn't 7.1 friendly :eek: so I tried them for 5.1 surrounds. Ended up returning them as I didn't like it over my towers surrounds.

BIZILL

yes, now that's the **** i needed to hear!!!! so i'll probably stick with the rti8's as surrounds and have all the know-it-alls lick my balls. i like discrete sound. it is loudest and most pronounced thattaway.

BIZILL

BIZILL wrote:

have all the know-it-alls lick my balls.

hey, i rhymed!

disneyjoe7

Go for BiZill you never know..... And never look back


Opps sorry BiZill not Bill :rolleyes:

Tritonman

I guess ive never been a fan of large rear surrounds. I was just curious as to the benefit of using them as opposed to smaller surrounds. Then again i have honestly never heard a system with tower size rear surrounds.

I just thought that based on how movies are encoded in the rear channels that utilizing tower size surrounds would not be that beneficial as compared to "bookshelf" size rears.

Based on comments above i guess i was wrong

BIZILL

it's probably not that big of a difference. as i stated above, my rti6's don't stray too far behind my rti8's. but since i have them, and money has been spent, why not keep 'em? plus i'm sure it'll be better for all channel stereo - yes, i said it again.

Tritonman

BIZILL wrote:

it's probably not that big of a difference. as i stated above, my rti6's don't stray too far behind my rti8's. but since i have them, and money has been spent, why not keep 'em? plus i'm sure it'll be better for all channel stereo - yes, i said it again.

Thats one thing i really need to do..grab a good SACD and give it a whirl. I have yet to hear an SACD.

BIZILL

yeah, same here. but first i'd need an sacd player. plus i'd like to try dvd-audio.

Tritonman

BIZILL wrote:

yeah, same here. but first i'd need an sacd player. plus i'd like to try dvd-audio.

Ive had one for about a year and still havent done it yet (lazee)

sickicw

i am in the process up upgrading too. I went and bought a new receiver with pre outs and a new amp to upgrade my rti system....Then after about 3 weeks of demoing all my cds and dvd's with my new system, I noticed that although it sounded good.....really good actually, i knew it could still sould better. I then started to look at the lsi line, and then one day after work i drove to tweeter and demoed them in the store, and i was pretty much sold. I returned my amp and receiver, and researched what would match my situation best. I ended up ordering a outlaw preamp as well as a outlaw 5 channel amp today,and will be ordering some lsi front and center speakers tonight. my point is, you might want to look at the lsi line first before you start upgrading. I know im glad i did.

aaharvel

wrong forum sorry.

I'll create an SACD one of my own.

BIZILL

yeah, i'm in no hurry to jump into those formats anyhow. but even regular cd's run in all channel stereo just makes me smile more than two channel audio. i love to feel enveloped.......you know, kinda like sex with women.....don't ask.

disneyjoe7

BIZILL wrote:

yeah, makes me smile, i love to feel, kinda like sex with women.....don't ask.

:eek: :eek:

Damn that came from LEFT FIELD :eek:

BIZILL

would you even want to imagine center and right fields? don't even ask about the "dugout"...................

disneyjoe7

HeHe