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Siegel1719

Brought me one box so far. 2 Carbon Series 300.2s. Gotta say these amps look awesome. One was tested at 180*2 at 4 ohms and the other at 175*2 at 4 ohms. Got a great deal on them also $280 shipped for both with a 3 year pertection plan. Well the rest of the system will consist of a MM12 in the plexi box, Alpine headunit w/ XM and a Clarion 7 band EQ. Q-logic kick panels and havent decided on 5.25" components. What are your guys opinions. Im going for pure SQ.

Thanks
Jeremy

MacLeod

Youre on the right track thats for sure. However I do have a few suggestions.

You should definitely check out the MMC5250's. They are great speakers and hard to beat for the money.

As for a MM12, you might want to look into the MM2124. I think the latest version of the Momo sub is better than the last and is one of the best subs on the market. I have a MM2104 and it rules!

You may also want to hold off on the 7 band EQ at least for now. Im not a big fan of EQ's, maybe its because Im not smart enough to figure em out but I find it easier to tune if you keep things nice and simple.

Siegel1719

Hey thanks. Yeah i was checking out the MMC5250's and thats what i though i should get. 130w RMS should match up nicely with the amp. Also i got an awesome deal on the MM12 thats why i went with it over the MM2104. But i can always upgrade later. And ill try and see how it sound w/o the EQ before i pick one up.

Thanks for the advise,
Jeremy

audiobliss

Sounds good! That's some power, for sure! I would second the MMC5250s and also would say save your money and see if you can live with your system without an EQ. If you want it and it's financially no problem/not prohibiting getting something else, go for it.

I love the MM12!! I much prefer the old MOMO logo, and I love that plexi box. Awesome!

1996blackmax

Nice system , it should sound nice once you get it going.

By the way, EQ's rule if properly setup. I use mine mainly to get rid of peaks in my system.


Why not get a head unit that already has an EQ built in?

Toxis

I'm sorry, but where the hell did you get two of those amps for $280 shipped??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Siegel1719

On Ebay. And the seller even offered a 3 year protection plan through Square Trade so im stoked. unfortanatly he only had 2 left. Also my headunit has a 5 band EQ but i hate the way alpines EQs are set up. Not very user freindly as compaired to pioneer or clarion.

PoweredByDodge

i've been **** with the eq on the ken-ferd and i'm still not 100% happy. once i get every OTHER kind of music to sound "perfect" to me, Gary Allan's stuff sounds like crap. then when i get good old Gary to sound right, everything else sounds like ****.

it's making me crazy - i think Smoke Rings in the Dark is cursed.

MacLeod

Just turn the EQ off! They do more harm than good.

PoweredByDodge

actually "flat" sounds like crap in the truck

exalted512

PoweredByDodge wrote:

actually "flat" sounds like crap in the truck

same here, i use "natural" and customize it a little bit
-Cody

neomagus00

i tend to start with 'powerful' and go from there, but i agree that a properly set-up eq will rock your socks off compared to no eq...

MacLeod

Ive noticed that an EQ set to flat isnt the same as no EQ at all. My last head unit had an EQ with 7 presets and the "flat" setting was nothing of the sort. My current head unit sounds quite a bit different with no EQ.

Same with my home CD player. I had a Sony mini system with several EQ presets and recently got a Pioneer receiver. I now run the CD player thru the receiver which has no EQ and it sounds much more neutral than the Sony's "flat" setting.

Id be willing to bet that if you took a frequency response graph of an EQ set to flat, it may be ruler flat but I have a feeling it wouldnt be at 0 db.

1996blackmax

In my car with all of the settings defeated, such as the EQ, loudness, and boost on the sub amp, the response is not flat. This will be with all cars do the irregularities within the vehicle's interior. The EQ can be used for personal sound preference or to try to tame awkward peaks in the response (mainly for what I use the EQ in my system for). I have some peaks centered around 160Hz, 4KHz and 1.2KHz. I then use my parametric EQ to bring those frequencies down.

PoweredByDodge

what i need is a REAL eq - like one of those 32 band audiocontrol EQT's or whatever they called them.

only problem is, you need one for EACH CHANNEL. that's 4 EQ's - at about 500 - 800 bucks each. ewww.

exalted512

dhl brought me a pair of 16' streetwires zn5 RCAs and a couple of sw zn2s in a 20 and 16' length today. Cost me $66. Everything was new. When I got just the zn5s off crutchfield it was $100...
-Cody

MacLeod

I thought you were going to use Knuconceptz.

exalted512

not rca's
-Cody

MacLeod

Im thinking of getting some of their RCA's to run on mine. Im using Monster right now and while they work fine, theyre still Monster.

PoweredByDodge

i've got two 6 foot 5's in the closet - they are BEAT though - seen many many many better days, all kinds of cosmetic issues, no technical problems though... i needed 15 foot lines this time (well like 12 1/2 or 13 or some crap but 15 was next up from 12) and 3 instead of 2, so A3's it was.

they're expensive but they're worth it.

the new esoteric A5 home lines are amazingly nice as well. High grade non-recycled copper / twisted pair design / Teflon insulating di-electrics as the first layer over the leads / class 3 shielding as the 2nd layer / metal braid jacketing as the 3rd layer / and finally a nice flexible rubber outer jacket as the 4th layer of protection.

the A3's aren't bad either... oxygen free copper (may be recycled or not - whatever is available) / twisted pair design / Teflon insulating di-electrics as the first layer of defense / class 2 shielding as the 2nd layer / and a heavy rubber jacket as the 3rd layer.

the better quality copper and the heavy duty bulletproof metal jacket of the A5's is something that certainly warrants the higher cost, but i just couldn't afford it at the time.

now if they'd only make car audio cables like this again i'd be impressed.

you don't need steel jackets in your house, but you damn sure could use them in a car. the streetwires ZN-6's are nothing more than ZN-3's with a "pretty colored" cloth jacket inside...

At least the "new" esoteric under mitek management is putting out product of equal or better quality as the old esoteric/streetwires.


I'm torn with the 88 though - I mean, I wanna use the ZN-5's just cause that's what it had before, but I'm tempted to grab A5's now because in a 6 foot length I can afford two of them.

PoweredByDodge

Mac - u want GOOD rca's - get the A3's or 5's -- **** just get the 5's. cut one apart and look inside it - you'll piss yourself compared to just about everything else on the market. stinger dream series aren't made this damn good. lightning audio doesn't even come close, and forget about making your own this way!

http://www.esotericaudio.com/flash/products/audio/audio/a5.cfm

MacLeod

LOL! I just wrote this in another thread but I dont buy into the high dollar cable scam. Ive been using $15 Monster Standard RCA's for 2 years and they work fine.

exalted512

have u ever tried anything better?? you might just not know what youre missing...I'm a firm believer in your system is only as good as your weakest link. When I'm running about $5 grand in just a hu, front speakers, subs and amps(and im the king of getting a deal), pep boys rca's arent going to cut it
-Cody

Toxis

EXACTLY Cody!!! $15 monster rca's will work, but then again so will $2 ones from WalMart. Does this mean you'll get the same sound?

Mac, just wait til you start getting deeper and deeper into home audio... you'll see what I mean.

PoweredByDodge

its not the price tag - its the quality of the cable - find them for 10 bucks a pop and they're still the same quality cable - its just a matter of finding someone who saw them "fall off a truck" and picked up a few.

exalted512

which is the beauty of ebay. the zn5s i picked up still had the $130 price tag on the never opened case...
-Cody

1996blackmax

I do not get it when people spend cash on nice stereo gear, and then skimp out on the power and signal cables.

MacLeod

I know there are difference in wires and cables but not as much as people think. Like I said before, the only real differences are in build quality, shielding, insulation and connector quality, you do have to pay more to get these and they are worth it to a point. But my $14 Monster RCA's are both shielded and built pretty well as theyve handled the elements being in my truck the last 2 years, not to mention they let in zero noise into my system. $2 Radio Shack RCA's would be inferior as theyd fall apart probably after 6 months inside a car and theyd let in all kinds of noise due to total lack of shielding. $500 cables would be built like steel bands and could be ran next to a nuclear reactor without inducing noise so you do get more when you pay more. However I believe that you can only reject so much noise before you get to the inaudible level and if a $20 set of RCA's filter out noise below what you can here than why wouldnt they work just as well?

What I dont believe is that cables can sound different tonally. This theory is rampant in home audio with some cables supposedly offering "a broader soundstage with cleaner highs" and others offering "greater depth and deeper bass". All theyre doing is transmitting electrical signals and as far as that goes $5000 MIT super cables are no better than 16 guage lamp cord at $.18 a foot.

exalted512

you mean cables dont sound better after theyve been broken in? youre joking right? THAT i believe to be ****...but i do believe in high dollar cables to an extent, i would never pay more tha $100 for a quality set of cables, but I have paid $100 before and i wouldnt hesitate to do it again.
-Cody

1996blackmax

I had some noise issues in the past and once the Monster Micro XLN cables went it, the noise was gone. They were more expensive, but helped out quite a bit.

PoweredByDodge

mac, you're right, a "perfect" cable will do nothing more than transmit exactly what the amplifier / signal source is producing... it will not enhance bass, nor will it enhace high's. that's just not possible.