Wow...Palmeiro Suspended for Roids

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

I asked around about that and this one guy was mixing insulin with his 'roids.

You NEED to do insulin shots with HGH, not with AAS.

jet2001 wrote:

It's the clean designer stuff that reaps the biggest benefits and the crap that is sold elsewhere may get you bigger, but at what cost...

The designer stuff is for not getting caught, not for safety. Stano, deca and the other stuff is just as safe, if not safer due to more users and thus more long term data.

Masking agents, ineffective testing, it isn't that hard to use AAS and not get caught with little knowledge. And those serious enough will find the money for more expensive drugs. Multimillion dollar pro athletes for sure do and they also have the professional helpers to avoid getting caught. For every Palmeiro that is getting caught there are dozens of others that weren't so unfortunate.

People in track and field get caught all the time. They are taking more risks than the major league players as their testing is from another planet, even now with the new "improved" testing by MLB. They are still taking the risks because that is the only way up. MLB players practically went untested for all these years so what makes one think they wouldn't do it?

jet2001

MLB players practically went untested for all these years so what makes one think they wouldn't do it?

Respect of the game and those who played before you...is that naive...no way. Listen to the real 'stars' of MLB and that's what will come from their mouths. Listen to Puljos, Griffey, Jeter, Johnson, Maddux, Clemens...and that's what you'll hear. The small group that wanted to make it big at all costs don't give a crap about the game...and they need to go. But don't clump all players as guilty just because they 'could have' taken steriods. That is a cynical viewpoint on our nations pasttime and frankly, it just isn't accurate.

Oh, and that guy I was talking about wasn't taking HGH...he was mixing insulin with cow testosterone. I doubt many, if any, people in Denton are taking HGH.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

There are many benefits to quality HGH, improved eyesight, lean muscle mass with little effort in the gym, quick recovery...it's basically turning the human body into a machine. But that stuff is 'grown' in labs, people like BALCO, not the HS kid or even college and minor league player can get their hands on that stuff.

I can get HGH if I want. It would run anywhere from $5000-12000 a year depending on how much I would want to use. It's not that hard to find, and it isn't that expensive. Certainly out of reach from the average high school kid but not from a college athlete scholar. I'm sure the kids here at Southlake HS could afford it easily though.

When I turn 40 then I will start talking with my doc about HGH replacement therapy. Now I'm still ok with my natural test and HGH production.

As for me "buying into the hype", I have been aware of this for years and the "revelations" that are now coming public are not news to me. I don't follow baseball but AAS is clearly present in other sports, it being part of baseball really is no different. There are huge gains to be made in performance so it is natural to human nature it is being used.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

Listen to the real 'stars' of MLB and that's what will come from their mouths.

And what was Palmeiro saying before he got caught?

jet2001 wrote:

I doubt many, if any, people in Denton are taking HGH.

I don't know that many people from Denton but it is safe to say there are multiple people in Denton taking it. The funny thing is, it is more expensive legally by presciption than from illegal black market.

jet2001

And what was Palmeiro saying before he got caught?

That's why I said 'real stars'. Raffy has talent, but he wasn't a lock for the Hall before he got 500 and 3000. Those are the only two credentials he has. He was never a winner, never won a batting/HR/RBI title and not one MVP. His longevity played more to his numbers than actual talent. And now we can put liar and steroid user to his resume...

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

That's why I said 'real stars'.

You're missing the point. Words are just words. "Stars" can be lying their **** off as well, and most likely are. Barry Bonds wasn't a "true star"? Steroid users in MLB is not a small group like you want to believe.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

Oh, and that guy I was talking about wasn't taking HGH...he was mixing insulin with cow testosterone.

Cow testosterone? Test is a male hormone...

Anyway, there are a lot of people abusing AAS and that's where majority of the problems come from. That's why I said it was safe IF taken correctly. And that's a big IF, some just stick whatever they can get and some even forget or don't know about post cycle therapy.

PolkThug

And another one who doesn't know how steroids got in his body:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8799559/

Mike682

PolkThug wrote:

And another one who doesn't know how steroids got in his body:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8799559/

Why is it that other than Giambi admitting it, nobody else knows how roids gets into their bodies?

It just appears as some magical "clean" or "clear" substance.... yeah sure..

Also, didn't that guy from Balco recently get busted for distributing it??

PhantomOG

PolkThug wrote:

And another one who doesn't know how steroids got in his body:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8799559/

and he was a pitcher too... so much for that theory huh?

jet2001

The drug found in Palmeiro's test was Stanozolol....he's lying his **** off. Nobody could take that by accident, especially after what happened to Ben Johnson.

I'd like to hear which drug was found in this pitchers test. It's very suprising to hear that a pitcher was caught. Depending on the drug we can find out how fast it will cycle out of his system. It's odd for him to test positive then negative just weeks later. This will be an interesting find.


Sami-sorry for using 'cow' as a general term. Knowing that everyone doesn't live in 'cow' country, I wanted to be general instead of using 'bull' or 'the remaining parts of a steer'.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

The drug found in Palmeiro's test was Stanozolol....he's lying his **** off.

LOL, Winnie V strikes again. Has the HS testing system been better than MLB since you stated HS players wouldn't take stano as it would show up in any of the tests?

jet2001 wrote:

It's very suprising to hear that a pitcher was caught.

No it's not. They benefit from AAS just like the rest of them. Stano will not bulk you up but it will increase your strength rather dramatically while keeps you full of energy. Bodybuilders use it to lose fat without losing muscle so in those circles it is classifies as leaning steroid. For pro athletes it is for the energy, recovery time and strength. I think this was also one of the drugs of choice for the Panthers players in that S.Carolina doc scandal.

jet2001 wrote:

Sami-sorry for using 'cow' as a general term. Knowing that everyone doesn't live in 'cow' country, I wanted to be general instead of using 'bull' or 'the remaining parts of a steer'.

Cows would grow antlers if they had signicant amounts of test in them. But yeha, I know...

jet2001

LOL, Winnie V strikes again. Has the HS testing system been better than MLB since you stated HS players wouldn't take stano as it would show up in any of the tests?

Yes, the HS and any other testing program was better than what MBL was using. First of all, it wasn't testing everyone. It was random...completely random. Meaning, they would test teams randomly and players randomly. The same guy on one team could be tested yearly and the others not at all. Thus my statement that all professional sports should employ the olympics standard of testing for an entire decade.

Another underlying 'conspiracy' is...MLB went through a terrible period in the 80's when guys like Dale Murphy would win MVP's and Home run titles. This lost MLB a ton of money and they were not the most popular sport as far as TV anymore with the NFL becoming the 'cashcow' (sorry had to use the pun from our side conversation) that it is now. Could the late Giamotti and Bud Selig have let the testing go lax as to allow players to do what they want to start this home-run, which is now called the steroid, era?


I still stand by my statement that I'm suprized that a pitcher has been caught using. The recovery time and possibly endurance would be their only benefit, as pitchers rely on other things besides strength to do their job.

Mike682

jet2001 wrote:

Could the late Giamotti and Bud Selig have let the testing go lax as to allow players to do what they want to start this home-run, which is now called the steroid, era?

Maybe....look at bonds, this guy could draw a huge crowd on his own....more tickets, more ratings = more money$$$$

Spawndn72

I am totaly nieve when it comes to 'roids, so someone fill me in here. How do you take Stanozolol? Is it injections, or pills, or what? Also, can you get the stuff at GNC or is this one of those Balco designer 'roids?

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

Thus my statement that all professional sports should employ the olympics standard of testing for an entire decade.

They should but there would still be the designer drugs and other ways to avoid getting caught. Olympic athletes and others who are tested very often (like the "wonderboy" Lance) aren't guaranteed to be clean, more guaranteed is that they are using. It's not cynicism, just counting in 1+1.

jet2001 wrote:

Could the late Giamotti and Bud Selig have let the testing go lax as to allow players to do what they want to start this home-run, which is now called the steroid, era?

Major leagues are all about money to most so if the steroids made the product better, who was complaining? The sad thing of course is that the naturally talented player was forced to take steroids to keep up with the rest if he wanted to be on the top. This in turn leads to more and more usage on younger players. Yes, starting from HS.

jet2001 wrote:

I still stand by my statement that I'm suprized that a pitcher has been caught using. The recovery time and possibly endurance would be their only benefit, as pitchers rely on other things besides strength to do their job.

And you don't think those two alone aren't enough? Surely strength is also important for them but when you can train 3-4 times as often than the other guy, that's not enough edge to make them take it? You clearly are underestimating the power of AAS.

Sami

Spawndn72 wrote:

I am totaly nieve when it comes to 'roids, so someone fill me in here. How do you take Stanozolol? Is it injections, or pills, or what? Also, can you get the stuff at GNC or is this one of those Balco designer 'roids?

Injections or pills, mostly injections as they are easier on your liver. Without RX you have to buy it from black market. It's not "designer drug", it has been in the market for a long time and has legit use outside of sports for both humans and animals.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm

"Short term stanozolol use can promote drastic strength, a feat often employed early in a bulking cycle (although d-bol would be more suited in that case) or late in a cutting cycle to prevent a decrease in performance. This combined with the red blood cell count-stimulating properties of its androgen affinity make it popular among track athletes as well in order to beget better results. As many, including Ben Johnson, did not take into account it can be detected for quite some time after last use so its not advisable for drug tested athletes. Many have assumed otherwise due to the short half-life, but apparently some inactive metabolites are easily esterified, so they can be found up to 5 months after the last injection."

http://www.drugs.com/MTM/stanozolol.html
http://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/stanozolol.asp

jet2001

You clearly are underestimating the power of AAS.

No, I understand it clearly enough...per my statement above that it turns the human body into a machine.

I do look at your outlook as cynical and you look at my outlook as naive...only time will tell, and so far your argument is winning. Which is very sad.

BrentMcGhee

Did anyone else see the Lettermans Top Ten list last night..... Histerical

Top Ten Rafael Palmeiro Excuses


10. "Pete Rose bet me I wouldn't do it"

9. There wasn't a Starbucks around and I needed a quick pick-me up"

8. "I enjoy the fresh minty flavor"

7. "Uhh, I lost it in the sun?"

6. "Somebody must've slipped something into my Viagra"

5. "Steroids illegal?! Since when?"

4. "Heard steroids give your mustache a glossy coat"

3. "Memory loss from steroid use made me forget I was on steroids"

2. " 'Roids rule, dude!"

1. "How am I supposed to keep track of every single thing I stick up my ****?"

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

No, I understand it clearly enough...per my statement above that it turns the human body into a machine.

You still need to work very hard to get the results you need. AAS just enables you to work hard and rewards you from the hard work handsomely. Taking steroids and not working hard is not going to turn you into superhuman, you still need to work very hard for it.

jet2001 wrote:

I do look at your outlook as cynical and you look at my outlook as naive...only time will tell, and so far your argument is winning. Which is very sad.

Lets just say that it's guilty by default as there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Has been a long time before all this circus started, for decades. I don't see the point of trying to guess who is clean when it is likely that all the stars are using. There might be clean guys out there but if they aren't willing to use it is highly unlikely they will ever make it to the top.

Back in the 80's the Olympic medals went to the country whos drug system was the best. Especially DDR was very notorious of having an excellent doping system.