Wow...Palmeiro Suspended for Roids

Mike682

I thought he was a classy guy. He seemed like an honest guy during his testimony too. What bad timing having just hit #3K...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-drugs-palmeiro&prov=ap&type=lgns

ND13

Just great . Just what our pastime needed :mad: .

Now that a "hall of famer" has been busted, its gonna be downhill from here.

marker

I guess his Viagra ran out.

jet2001

I wonder if this will cause some legal implicatoins too...he was found to be a liar.

Hall of Fame voters are going to have many tough choices....Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...do they deserve to get in?

Mike682

jet2001 wrote:

I wonder if this will cause some legal implicatoins too...he was found to be a liar.

Hall of Fame voters are going to have many tough choices....Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro...do they deserve to get in?

If he did the roids after his testimony he would be ok. Otherwise, he perjured himself and he will be in some hot water. The difficult part is proving he did the roids during/before his testimony.

I'm not sure if MLB changed the rules, but they don't make the test results public until a player has two consecutive positive outcomes..if this is still the case, there is an elapsed time between tests with the first obviously being positive. So he could be in trouble depending on the first test date.

One of the really true natural power hitters today is Ken Griffey Jr.; The ball just flies off his bat.

avelanchefan

LMFAO, I have not laughed this hard in a long time. No offense to any long time baseball fans (I am one too) but after seeing Raffy in front of Congress this spring and to what he did this past week is so funny. He made himself to look like a complete jack@ss, and on top of it he gave Jose Canseco the last laugh. How Happy you think Jose is now?

Thanks Bud....thanks for running this league like you ran your car lots.

jet2001

The rules have changed and first positive tests are made public with a 10 game suspension. 2nd offense is harsher with more games and the player must undergo some sort of drug thearapy. 3rd offense is basically a 'bye-bye'.

I agree ave's fan...Bud and a small handful of players are ruining this game.

Griffey's the man. I'm a huge fan of his and even requested to wear 24 in college and tried to emulate him. I'm so happy he's healthy once again and starting to look like the Griffey of the 90's.

brettw22

jet2001 wrote:

Griffey's the man. I'm a huge fan of his and even requested to wear 24 in college and tried to emulate him. I'm so happy he's healthy once again and starting to look like the Griffey of the 90's.

You're talking about Griffey Jr. the pompous **** that thinks he's some sort of higher power? Give me a break........

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

I agree ave's fan...Bud and a small handful of players are ruining this game.

Handful? How so, by getting caught? Most likely the clean athlete is the exception when it comes to baseball, or football. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same in basketball and hockey as well.

jet2001

You're talking about Griffey Jr. the pompous **** that thinks he's some sort of higher power? Give me a break........

Show me one interview or occation when that happened. After two seasons of injuries he was receiving death threats and handled himself accordingly. The best player in baseball for an entire decade is a role model for other players to follow, both off the field and on.

jet2001

Handful? How so, by getting caught? Most likely the clean athlete is the exception when it comes to baseball, or football. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same in basketball and hockey as well.

That's just not accurate. Believing the hype that baseball is full of steroid users is just plain false. 60-70% of rosters are pitchers...steriods would be detrimental to a pitcher for obvious reasons...that only leave 30-40% of players who could be on steriods. Taking into account the position players, it's tough to argue who is and who isn't using....so you have to leave it up to testing. MBL's joke of a test last year stated that less than 1% of players were using...and through the new system they have busted a small handful of players.

The NFL is a different animal with stricter policies...I believe that a very small percentage of NFL players are using steriods and if they are, they will be caught.

brettw22

jet2001 wrote:

Show me one interview or occation when that happened. After two seasons of injuries he was receiving death threats and handled himself accordingly. The best player in baseball for an entire decade is a role model for other players to follow, both off the field and on.

Having 2 seasons of injuries and mellowing out because you have to sit on the bench doesn't excuse acting like a **** for years prior....

I might have been a little too rough in my initial response though......don't ask me about Bonds though...........lol.

jet2001

I'll continue to argue in Griffey's favor as I truely believe he's great for the game. He and Albert Puljos are marvels to watch. I was concerned that Albert may be using, but then I remember how he looked when he came up 4 years ago...he was fricken huge then. Some guys are just built that way.

Then there's Bonds...5 years ago he looked like Griffey, now he's a monster. I couldn't agree more about Bonds...say what you want and I'll back it 100%. The guy's an a$$hole...talented or not, there is no reason to act the way he does.

Mike682

I can't stand bonds

jet2001

The penalty for testing positive for steriods that I stated above is inaccurate.

Here's what I found:

1st offense 10 days suspension without pay
2nd offense 30 days supsension without pay
3rd offense 60 days suspension without pay
4th offense season suspension without pay
5th offense punishment determinded by commissioner


This policy simply has no teeth...

Mike682

How often does the league test for the juice?

Early B.

Geez, is anyone in baseball an honest player? Vitrually every superstar in baseball has been proven to take steroids. None of them should be applauded for their unnatural "successes." You simply can't compare Palmiero with Mays and Aaron. The only way to deal with the issue and rebuild baseball's credibility is for the League to immediately terminate their contracts if clearly found guilty of being a user. Otherwise, the game will continue to be severely tainted.

jet2001

Here's a quote from the policy.

"Every player will undergo at least one unannounced test during the season. Players may be randomly tested additional times, including during the offseason, irrespective of a player's country of residence."

For every 'star' cheater out there you can name two or more 'stars' who are clean. I have the same opinion as you do about these cheaters....their contracts should be void. Plain and simple, you don't want people like that in the game. You'd only lose a small handful of players who shouldn't be there in the first place. They knew they weren't good enough to get to the majors without the help of steriods, so in the end, they shouldn't be there. But this is just a small handful of players, baseball is still mostly a clean game.

Nobody was comparing Palmeiro to Mays and Aaron....Bonds, yes. What's funny about Bonds is that now that he's off the juice, he's injured....talk about Kharma.

I'd like to see all sports have the same testing policies as the olympics for about a decade...then they can go back to their own policies. Steriods are out there, but it's not as rampant as the media wants you to believe.

Willow

I guess we are not talking about hemeroids ?

Mike682

Was it a coincidence that bonds told mlb.com he will not be playing this season after the announcement of palmeiro's suspension???

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

The NFL is a different animal with stricter policies...I believe that a very small percentage of NFL players are using steriods and if they are, they will be caught.

Come on now, the NFL antidoping rules are a joke as well. None of the major leagues have a system that is effective and majority of the NFL players are using AAS. Even those who comply with WADA, which is vastly superior to anything in the majors, do not catch majority of the offenders. The drug industry is always a step ahead and the testers are trying to keep up.

What are the obvious reasons why pitchers would be detrimental to them? Dry joints?

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

But this is just a small handful of players, baseball is still mostly a clean game.

In the little leagues maybe but certainly not beyond that. The reality is AAS usage is started as early as in HS. Easy to get, not that expensive, gives you a tremendous edge over the natural guy (regardless of position), relatively safe to use IF done right. Why not to use it when your success as a ball player is depending on it (since everyone else is using)?

Dennis Gardner

There is only one sure answer to this problem.

Let em juice, soften the ball, and raise the fences.........

Then its all back to even and talent is the true measurement again. :rolleyes:

Mike682

There's always a story about HS roid use on outside the lines or real sports. According to the shows, its rampant because it's easy to get and many players feel they need to use it to compete with the others

jet2001

What are the obvious reasons why pitchers would be detrimental to them? Dry joints?

Flexibility for the most part. Especially for starting pitchers, it would be detrimental to lose the flexibility that bulking up causes. The positives that steroids bring outweigh the negatives in a pitchers case. Building muscle will not allow you to throw any harder....look at Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux as examples. If they were to bulk up, they would lose the flexibility that causes them to be so great.

In the little leagues maybe but certainly not beyond that. The reality is AAS usage is started as early as in HS. Easy to get, not that expensive, gives you a tremendous edge over the natural guy (regardless of position), relatively safe to use IF done right. Why not to use it when your success as a ball player is depending on it (since everyone else is using)?

You've bought into the hype. Is it easy to come by...fairly...not any harder than marijuanna or any other illegal substance...but I would not say that it has reached epidemic proportions. I'm basing my answers on experience. None of the guys I played with in HS and College used steriods. There are quite a few who are playing in the majors/minors and one guy who plays professional football. You can say what you want about it's accessibility and positive aspects, the bottom line is that it's illegal and all of the ramifications that come with using an illegal substance will happen to you if caught.

Sami

Mike682 wrote:

There's always a story about HS roid use on outside the lines or real sports. According to the shows, its rampant because it's easy to get and many players feel they need to use it to compete with the others

The sad thing is that's where it does most of its damage, at young age. Moderate AAS use is beneficial for older guys (30+) when the natural production has already slowed down but not for young guys for sports. The natural production is at peak and to get the best performance you pump huge amounts of testosterone into your body.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

Flexibility for the most part. Especially for starting pitchers, it would be detrimental to lose the flexibility that bulking up causes.

You might want to study AAS a little. There are many different kind of testosterone compounds and not all of them are for bulking. The biggest benefit for AAS is that your recovery time is minimal, allowing you to train much more than the clean guy.

jet2001 wrote:

You've bought into the hype.

No I have not, it's very easy to see with your own eyes, and I do know personally many athletes. Some use, some don't, but depending on the sport most do. I think you are just naive when it comes to AAS usage.

jet2001

You might want to study AAS a little. There are many different kind of testosterone compounds and not all of them are for bulking. The biggest benefit for AAS is that your recovery time is minimal, allowing you to train much more than the clean guy.

I have studied AAS and the clean stuff, the real HGH, is not easy to come by. Most of the stuff that HS kids are doing is Testosterone from animals...pigs, cows, etc...

There are many benefits to quality HGH, improved eyesight, lean muscle mass with little effort in the gym, quick recovery...it's basically turning the human body into a machine. But that stuff is 'grown' in labs, people like BALCO, not the HS kid or even college and minor league player can get their hands on that stuff. Heck, David Boston was quoted on spending $750,000 a year on suppliments, who can afford that? Not a player who's playing for a weekly food stipend.

So you've bought into the hype and I'm naive, at least we're on the same side that this stuff is wrong and this problem needs to be solved, and quick.

Sami

jet2001 wrote:

I have studied AAS and the clean stuff, the real HGH, is not easy to come by. Most of the stuff that HS kids are doing is Testosterone from animals...pigs, cows, etc...

HGH is human growth hormone, not techically AAS (testosterone). It is expensive. Most of the stuff on the market is synthetic (clean) and not that expensive. Stanozolol, deca durabolin, test enanthate etc. Not nearly as expensive as HGH and certainly something these HS athletes around here in North DFW can afford.

jet2001

Stanozolol is one of the oldest steriods out there, Ben Johnson's steriod of choice, and is detected in any test given. You are right, it isn't as costly monotary wise to get your hands on the stuff...but your test will come back positive, so you're taking a major risk there.

No doubt you can get your hands on the stuff...the same place I buy my suppliments is a known seller of steroids here in Denton...yet they can't get their hands on the stuff that the professional atheletes could. All of there stuff will get you caught. Most of the stuff that 'normal' people can get will make you more sick in the long run than getting the positive results that HGH gives you. I've seen guys in the gym bulk up in a matter of months, but they also lost all their hair. I asked around about that and this one guy was mixing insulin with his 'roids. He became huge and lean in 3 months, but he's now bald before 30.

It's the clean designer stuff that reaps the biggest benefits and the crap that is sold elsewhere may get you bigger, but at what cost...

Mike682

I would never touch the stuff....I ran cross country in HS and a lot of kids would take stimulants, etc before the races...not me though. I was always cautious of what I put in my body because even in HS, I thought about future implications...another reason why I never picked up smoking as a habit..