Wow... I hate this guy

swerve

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/26/leisure.gibson.reut/index.html
I really can't stand Mel Gibson. Not one bit.

who cares what language he is filming something in? does that make him special and why? I do not watch movies nor am I a really big fan... BUT what is the big deal... so what... a film made by Mel Gibson in another language. It is what it is... nothing more... nothing less.

bobman1235

What is that rant in reference to?

PolkThug

The Mayan movie he's making.

swerve

i fixed it.

i just dont' understand... sure his first was successful so i guess he found a goldmine of nuthuggers to cling to every word that will be printed on the bottom of the screen.

AsSiMiLaTeD

WTF?

So he makes a movie in another language, CNN makes a big deal out of it, and you hate him for it?!?!

It's obvious you just hate Mel Gibson (which is your right) and are looking for any excuse to bash him.

it's not like he's making the movie, and then saying Hey, look at what I'm doing...

He's just making the movie, CNN is the one deciding to report it...

Ron-P

At least he is daring enough to give us something other than the crap Hollywood is dumping in our theaters lately. His new films sounds interesting and being that I enjoy foreign films this one has my interest peeked.

Micah Cohen

This is true, he is "daring." This is a good thing.

But personally I miss the Mel who didn't have a political or ideological axe to grind. The axe gets in the way for me, whether it is in something like BRAVEHEART or in PASSION (which I won't bother seeing) or this new project. It's great that he's pushing the bounds of what Hollywood can and will do. But this stuff has such a limited niche audience that... Well, it won't make much dent.

I think he's a fine actor. He has the ability to make 2-dimensional characters live and breath. Mad Max is one of my favorite film characters, and that is only because of Gibson's acting style. He manages to make a silent, troubled vigilante character -- simple, nothing to it -- into a complex future allegory. I like that. Gibson's Mad Max is The Man With No Name, Batman, and that guy he plays in PAYBACK, all rolled into one.

But I have no interest in his historical language epics and his personal religious fervor. That's just no fun.

"The chain in those handcuffs is high-tensile steel. It'd take you ten minutes to hack through it with this. If you're lucky, you could hack through your ankle in FIVE minutes. GO." (Max in MAD MAX)

MC

swerve

Originally posted by Ron-P
At least he is daring enough to give us something other than the crap Hollywood is dumping in our theaters lately. His new films sounds interesting and being that I enjoy foreign films this one has my interest peeked.

I completely agree it's good to be different.

I just hope it doesn't carry controversy like the other flick did I guess... I don't like hearing about the s*it when I click on the news or go to cnn.com... I do not like hearing about Mel Gibson's controversial film in Aramaic, Mayan, or whatever it will be next... and if you do that's fine; I'm glad you get your jollies from this.

I mean this article and related ones will be everywhere eventually and looked up as stunning... when it really isn't news at all... I guess I attacked the wrong target but I do not like Mel Gibson either.

swerve

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
SNIP

I completely co-sign on this. thank you for composing such a wonderful jumble of words.

Maurice

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
But this stuff has such a limited niche audience that... Well, it won't make much dent.

Thats what they said about The Passion, and they still haven't stopped couunting the money it made. When it comes to the types of non-conventional movies that will make money, Hollywood is the LAST to know.
:rolleyes:

swerve

Originally posted by Maurice

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
But this stuff has such a limited niche audience that... Well, it won't make much dent.

Thats what they said about The Passion, and they still haven't stopped couunting the money it made. When it comes to the types of non-conventional movies that will make money, Hollywood is the LAST to know.
:rolleyes:

it's not conventional//non-conventional. i just think it's controversy that attracts people into opening their wallets

ND13

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
, that guy he plays in PAYBACK, all rolled into one.
MC

I loved that character. Mel plays those type roles perfectly. The good thing about him, though, is he can't be type-cast, he's too versatile. He can play any type of character and convincingly pull it off.

ohskigod

Its amazing that because he made a movie about Jesus, he has an "ideological axe" to grind. I look at it like this, here's the facts

1)I'm not that religious
2)I still went to see the Passion of the Christ and
3)Yes, I own it on DVD and holy crap.......
4)....I was moved by it, religiously? I dont know, but I was engrossed in it and enjoyed the experience
5) Mel had to have done something right simply from the SH!LOAD of money it made.


axe to grind? lol please, his accountants have an axe to grind, their getting fatigued counting all that cheddar.

it simply comes down to this, i dont know why a movie about the Story of Jesus pisses so many people off. A movie about banging midget children would probably evoke less anger......

not that i care

Micah Cohen

Actually, I think he's made it pretty plain in plenty of interviews (at the time when he was making the film) that he does have an axe to grind and that he made the jesus film specifically because jesus told him to and to bring The Word to the world in a new way. He's not shy about his socio-political purposes.

And while I respect that, I think it gets in the way of my art. It turns me off. (I think, "Aw, Max...")

What's the title of the movie about banging midget children? I'll Netflix it.

MC

Sami

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
But personally I miss the Mel who didn't have a political or ideological axe to grind. The axe gets in the way for me

Maybe it is just you then, not Mel? Did he hit your religious nerve by any chance with Passion? It is a great movie and the language spoken just made it better. Then again I'm not religious so maybe I just view things differently. It's your business if you see the movie or not but it's a shame ideological things get in the way of enjoying a movie.

jet2001

My problem with Mel is how he took on this religious venture, and did a fine job at it, but the only thing he gave back was his art. Was that good enough? I don't think so...they guy made so much money that he's buying (or may have already bought) an island. His own island....yet I hear nothing about giving back to his religion that gave him this opportunity in the first place. Greed is a powerful ally....

Micah Cohen

It's mostly me. I just am not interested in yet another passion play. Personal choice; don't even want to get involved in religious discussions or anything. I mean, I'm one of The Chosen People, with The Original God on my side, you know, so I don't really need to worry about anything else no matter what anyone says or believes. And having this fairy story pushed at me and my peeps for two thousand years is just tiring.

I'm making a stand right here and now.

MC

Micah Cohen

I hear nothing about giving back to his religion

I think he did give back. He's very deeply involved in his church. I say this not as an insult to him. In fact, it's worthy of respect. I think he really did use a lot of the box office for his church, from what I know.

Another reason I'm not bothering to see it, tho. I don't think jesus wants any of my money.

MC

Sami

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
I mean, I'm one of The Chosen People, with The Original God on my side

LOL, aren't we all. Even us non-religious people. Good point!

dorokusai

I'm going straight to Hell, and I'm pretty excited.

Micah Cohen

It's where all the cool people will be, so we'll have fun.

I mean, you seen all those folks on televangelist shows? You certainly don't want to be where they're going, stuck somewhere with them, do you? What a bunch of tools. (Altho... The chicks are sometimes hot, and them being all, you know, "saved," and all, sort of inspires some naughtiness in me that this is probably not the place to discuss... Needless to say, I'm not hanging out with all those bores just to foul a couple of hot church cuties with my demon seed, you know?)

Hell, I'm climbing into my handbasket right now!

MC

Demiurge

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
Actually, I think he's made it pretty plain in plenty of interviews (at the time when he was making the film) that he does have an axe to grind and that he made the jesus film specifically because jesus told him to and to bring The Word to the world in a new way. He's not shy about his socio-political purposes.

And while I respect that, I think it gets in the way of my art. It turns me off. (I think, "Aw, Max...")

What's the title of the movie about banging midget children? I'll Netflix it.

MC

Micah...nearly (key word) every director, actor, actress, producer, etc...is a Liberal. One guy comes out with a movie about Jesus and he's the conservative equivilent to Michael Moore? Give me a friggin' break.

Quite frankly I'm on board with you about the political overtones in movies being a HUGE turn off, but can someone tell me when Jesus became a political figure? It's a story you choose to believe in and have faith in or you don't.

It's not like he's making up some **** 'n bull horseshit about global warming and how we're all going to die if we don't drive in vegetable oil burning matchbox cars.

Micah Cohen

Huh, what? I just don't want to watch a political or religious film made by a hard line pre-Vatican II christian. I don't care what his politics are, and I think that this kind of thinking does make jesus into a political figure, I am just disinterested.

In fact, I'd rather watch Gibson's jesus film than anything by Michael Moore, who I believe is not a trustworthy documentarian.

I respect a lot about Gibson. But I'm only interested in Max. He's the only interesting character Mel Gibson ever made, as far as I'm concerned.

Whoop, gotta zip, that's the oven buzzer: tater-tots are ready!

MC

Polkersince85

When I was an extra in Sweet Home Alabama, one of the makeup artists was one who worked on the Patriot film. Locked em up on a plantation for about 6 months. She said Gibson was a great guy to be around. My .02. Also IMO, God created man and Man created religion.

MacLeod

Here is what cracks me up. Mel is now considered "controversial, and shouldnt be using his movies to make political statements, and should leave his ideals and agendas at home". Funny, nobody ever says that about Rob Reiner, Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Janine Garafolo, Kim Basinger, Alec Baldwin, Danny Glover, Spike Lee, Robin Williams, Whoopie Goldberg, Ted Danson, Johnny Depp, Sharon Stone, Billy Crystal, Tom Hanks, Richard Geer, Meryl Streep, Geroge Clooney and so on. Hell that slimey traitor michael moore isnt even considered that controversial!!!!

Its funny that since Mel is actually a conservative and makes movies from the right side of the idealogical aisle, he now has some kind of "agenda".

jet2001

Your point is well taken, but I don't think Mel has been called controversial because of political ideologies, it's his religious views that cause people to say this....and that will be said about anyone who wears their religious views on their sleeve.

All stars have a much bigger soap box to stand on than the rest of us...I enjoy the fact that people are passionate about their views and sharing them with the world, it's the luxury of living in this great country. I just hope that all of us who are listening are more than just sheeple (thanks Micah) and take their words with a grain of salt and not fact because they are coming from a celebrity.

Here's what I'd like to see in my silly little world:

The sky opens up and Christ descends and once again walks among mortals. His first contact is a good lawyer and sue's Mel Gibson for $1 billion in a plagerism case. Then takes his money and has one hell of a kegger in heaven....

Micah Cohen

Funny, nobody ever says that about...

You forget I'm back? I'll freaking say that about... Well, all those people you listed suck. And when they let their idiotic political views get in the way of their acting, they suck even more.

I can't say anything positive personality-wise about any of those actors you listed; they are all insufferable and stupid. And I can only say one or two positive things about one or two of them as actors (Clooney, I hate to like him but he's good, and Streep, she's good too, and if you give Alec Baldwin a good role he smokes it a la GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS: "**** YOU, that's my name!").

So, I'm here to say "that about." :mad:

Don't forget who you're dealing with here. I hate them all, and for good reason.

MC

brettw22

Originally posted by jet2001
Your point is well taken, but I don't think Mel has been called controversial because of political ideologies, it's his religious views that cause people to say this....and that will be said about anyone who wears their religious views on their sleeve.

Except Tom Cruise.....his sleeve wearin views got him outted as a crazy mouthy one....

Sami

Originally posted by jet2001
and take their words with a grain of salt and not fact because they are coming from a celebrity.

And that's why something like Passion should be watched without prejudice, one way or another. I watched it because I wanted to see a good movie, and I got it. I didn't watch it because it was about Jesus, or because it was so "controversial" which BTW I don't understand why. It really didn't tell anything new about Jesus.

ND13

How about all the "Scientologists" in Hollywood. They all are extremely outspoken about their "pseudo-religion"...errr "CULT".
They don't get as much grief as Mel does.

Maurice

I applaud the man for the film. He realized that the "Christian" community is overlooked when it comes to films. He took the story, laid it out there and the 'overlooked' community flocked by the droves to see it and to support him. Bravo!! Now hollywood wants to make these types of films but as always they are a day late and a dollar short. As far as Mel profiting from it, hell, he paid for it. He should make a return on his investment.

Just because you are Christian doesn't mean everyone has the right to piss on you like the hollywood croud says. Eff that, they need to try that **** with me cause I've got something for em'. I'm a christian with a gansta's attitude, and I aint havin it.

Believe whatever you want, but all this christian bashing is bull. Besides that, its ALWAYS done by some whimpy little coward who would NEVER spit that rhetoric to someones face for fear of a beatdown. My .02