looks like i'm getting some carver amazings

ohskigod
ohskigod Posts: 6,502
edited April 2024 in Clubhouse Archives
won the auction, anyone think i overpaid?

i think i did allright, will be picking up the pair sunday

here's some pics.

should i look for anything specific when i pick these up/inspect them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5786836770&sspagename=ADME:B:AAQ:US:1
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited July 2005
    i guess you cant biamp these?
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited July 2005
    Cool dude!! Hope you enjoy them, I'm sure you will. I'll get a set some day:( . Congrats.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited July 2005
    Now, I could be wrong, but I thought that the Plat MK IV's came w/ biamp capability. Maybe Mr. Grand could set us straight.

    I think you got a swell deal as long as they work and in the grand scheme, I can't think of a better speaker, new or used for under a grand.

    Enjoy!

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,731
    edited July 2005
    Some Plat's came with dual posts, some didn't. GG's didn't, the ones I had did.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2005
    Nice.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited July 2005
    Jesse is correct, I have no bi-amp capability on my Plat Mk. IV's either. I believe the non bi-amp capable to be the final version of the Mk. IV.

    Nice going Lou. Got to ya huh?

    George
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2005
    Lou was destined for the "OMFG" arena.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited July 2005
    just had to wait for the right oppurtunity, and along it came. Glad Those Legacy Audio classics were "pending sale" on Audiogon, I would have never seen the Amazings on the Bay.

    George, I'm assuming one Carver 4.0t amp will drive these ok for at least the short term. Think i'll be allright?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2005
    You should be fine for now, but do yourself a favor....get some real power, not Carver power.

    Yea, I said it, F Carver amps.....except the Silver series :)
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited July 2005
    Congrats!
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited July 2005
    Man, that's one nice speaker! When are you going to be getting another one to go along with it? :D

    Congrats!
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2005
    Beautiful. You going to replace the Vandersteen's? Or Build a Third Rack!!!:cool:

    RT1
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited July 2005
    The Plat. Mk. IV's don't present a real difficult load, so one M4.0t will do a fine job.

    You can go out and buy something esoteric and pricey. It may do a stellar job of driving a difficult load. For this application, the Carver M4.0t, TFM 42/45, and TFM-55 family of Carver amps are perfect.

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2005
    Originally posted by reeltrouble1
    You going to replace the Vandersteen's?

    I hope not, I think he should have at least 1 pair of speakers that sounds good.

    Good on ya homeslice.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,511
    edited July 2005
    Originally posted by George Grand
    For this application, the Carver M4.0t, TFM 42/45, and TFM-55 family of Carver amps are perfect.


    Hi George,

    When you list these Carver amps, is there a preference in the order, or is the TFM 42/45 close enough to the M4.0t that the average listener wouldn't notice any difference? I know the power output is different from the 42 to the 55.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited July 2005
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    I hope not, I think he should have at least 1 pair of speakers that sounds good.

    Guess we can put Russ firmly in the Carver Amazings suck camp....LOL :D
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited July 2005
    The Carver m4.0t, TFM-45 and TFM-42 are all the same amp, different cosmetics.

    Hey, those that don't like Carver products, cool, more for us that do. You know? I like my Carver amps/speakers and really don't lose much sleep over those that don't.

    BDT
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2005
    I never said they suck. On that note though, there is no reason for me to get a pair. Hell, how many members own them now? I can listen to them all across this fine land.

    I'd pass on the Carver amps mentioned so far at this point. Not that they don't sound great, they do. The reliability factor just isn't there anymore. I'd look for something newer, including newer Carver.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited July 2005
    M4.0t, TFM-42/45 are the exact same amps. To answer the question I don't think there's a pair of ears out there that could distinguish between any of those three amps.

    Marantz Model 8 might be getting a little long in the tooth too Russ. You gonna pass one or two of those up for a more reliable, more recent offering from Marantz?

    George Grand (of the Jersey Grands)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2005
    The Marantz 8's are reliable AND easily repaired if need be. Comparing old tube gear to old(er) solid state isn't really a fair comparison.

    The tube gear (for the most part) is simple in parts and design. Solid state isn't, esp with complicated (albiet good) circuits like Bob's Magnetic Field juju.

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    Russ
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited July 2005
    I'm a little *less* worried about the reliability issue as Sunfire will service Carver amps at a price that's not too out of line with what a local repair shop would......


    BDT
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,511
    edited July 2005
    Sorry to clog up your thread with an amp question, ohskigod. I hope you enjoy your new speaker purchase.

    Thanks for the info on the amps. I have an Adcom GFA-555 paired with my stock SRS 2's and while it sounds OK, I want to try a Carver with them. I tried an Adcom 5400 mosfet amp and it seemed to richen up the low volume listening.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,986
    edited July 2005
    A Carver will sound better than the Adcom 555. The 555 is a good raw power amp, but has a edge to it, a graininess if you will. No such issues with Carver.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited July 2005
    I will echo that sentiment. I had a GFA-555 and inserted it in my He-Man Rig in place of the M4.0t. Lotta high end grain, revealed in all its magnificence by the Amazings. I couldn't get it out fast enough and get the M4.0t back in.

    I always felt that particular amp (GFA-555) would be good as a bottom-end amp in a horizontal bi-amp system. Lots of power and great damping. I have no experience with the GFA-555 II which was supposed to have addressed some of the high end graininess. That particular Adcom stayed in the family, and a couple years ago my buddy Kevin blew it up while driving some vintage AR-5's (I sold him those too!). He needed another power amp so I sold him a spare Onkyo that I had, M-506RS. I read it was rated at 130wpc @ 8 ohms. Kevin loves it and says it drives the AR-5's better than the Adcom did.

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited July 2005
    Biamp, schmiamp. Who needs to bi-amp anyways?

    Nice speaks brotha!!!
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited July 2005
    I don't know that the platinum is what he was talking about, but the carver amazing got mentioned by the maker of my amplifier as a hard speaker to drive. Here is the quote:
    I will say that our amplifier will drive most any speaker we have heard of. The most difficult was the Carver Amazing. These speakers had a radical low impedance curve coupled with very low efficiency (82dB). The original 3k6 drove them well, but not well enough to my thinking. A direct result of this was an improvement in the output stage current characteristics of all Cinepro amplifiers. (MKI to MKII).

    It might be worth checking out a few different amps to run them with.

    BTW - I have always like the carver amazing (although I have not heard them since they first came out and I did not have the funds to purchase them at that time) I do remember them as sounding awesome though...

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,083
    edited July 2005
    The original Amazing is 85db 1w/1m with a 4ohm resistive load.

    BDT
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited July 2005
    I think the Platinums are 87 dB, nominal 8 Ohms. For sh!ts and giggles I did a reading, and only got a little more than 5 Ohms.

    Lou, if you wanted to bi amp you could, but it would mean changing the binding posts and some wire changes at the crossover inputs. You might want to change the binding posts any way, even if you don't want to do the other mods.


    They sound great the way they are....welcome to the club;)
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,731
    edited July 2005
    The Plats are 89dB.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited July 2005
    tomorrow's the big day, the anticipation is friggin killing me!!!!!!!!
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    Upstairs 2 Channel Rig -
    Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.

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