Batman Begins

PolknPepsi

Sounds like some of you liked it.........guess I'll have to check it out.

mantis

All of us liked it except Micah. He has his reasons for not liking the movie and rightfully so. Personally as I already stated , I really enjoyed it. I felt it took the cheese out of the first one.

Dan

PolknPepsi

The others advertisements seemed kind of cheesey and it's probably why I lost interest.

...make a note to self......check it out!

McLoki

Micah Cohen wrote:

But BATMAN BEGINS was crap. One of the worst movies I've seen in ages. CRAP!
MC

I saw Batman Begins in the theater (just got the DVD and have not watched it at home yet) and I thought it was really good. Certainly a decent adaptation of a DC comic.

If this is ranked as one of the worst movies you have seen this year, I was just curious what action / fantasy movies have you seen in recent years that you did like? I would just like to know what point of view you are coming from and what you typically like.

Michael

Micah Cohen

Certainly a decent adaptation of a DC comic.

But, see, it WASN'T. It was not loyal to any comic story at all.

I mean, you all loved this movie. Why? Cause stuff flew around fast and the editing made everything seem quick and cool fighting and stuff? Did you love it because the acting was good? (I have to say, it wasn't. I mean, watch any other Michael Caine film, THE QUIET AMERICAN was a recent good one. Did anyone see UNFORGIVEN, in which Morgan Freeman acts? Better yet, did anyone see EMPIRE OF THE SUN, in which a 12 year old Christian Bale ACTS, his best performance ever? AT TWELVE. So, if you see all these other movies, that contain REAL ACTUAL ACTING, how can you think that there was any "good acting" in BATMAN BEGINS?)

See, I'm just trying to understand the way your mind works. Do you just like it because... you like it? Or, do you like because of some reason? It was exciting? It was well made? It exposed a truth about life and living and your own experience and it touched your soul in the way only art can? Why'd you all like it?

You couldn't have liked it because it was a faithful adaptation of the Batman story, because it wasn't. You couldn't have liked it because Christian Bale was a compelling Bruce Wayne, because he really wasn't. You couldn't have liked it because The Batman was just so kewel, you know? Because he really wasn't that cool at all, and was sort of goofy, with the speech impediment and the wings and the stuff "Q" made for him. DARKMAN was cooler.

I'm just trying to understand. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just trying to see into it a bit more clearly. I wanted to like this flick, I did; The Batman is the best superhero of all, I want the movie to be that good. But the movie really didn't give me much to like and plus it kept handing me idiotic things and asking me to accept them, which I refuse to do. I'm not a robot.

Tonight I watched HITCH. You know, Will Smith? JESUS CHRIST, I watched this 'orrible chick flick. And it was better than BATMAN BEGINS.

MC

beardog03

dude...let it go..

you didn`t like it...we get it..!!


and stop watchin chick flicks.
it`s bad for moral..!!

Micah Cohen

Why should I stop watching chick flicks, when they are better than the movies I want to watch? The first seven minutes of HITCH were better than all of BATMAN BEGINS.

It just peeves me that you all find something to like in this crappy movie and I can't. What the hell am I missing? What was it that made BATMAN BEGINS "good"?

ARG! :mad:

MC

beardog03

I hadn`t seen it before, therefore it was new to me, and entertaining..

don`t care if it was true to form....just enjoyed watching an unfamiliar movie for the first time, and it had a cool story...and sound...
anything that I can appreciate my surround rig with, I like..

That`s all....
If ya like chick fliks...watch em

I realize you were (are) disappionted with the new Bat movie....
maybe the next one will be better for ya
looks like the joker is the next theme character to come into play..
just don`t compare it to other batman movies, and try to enjoy yourself..
That`s all I`m sayin...try to enjoy yourself...it`s just a movie..

Beardog out.....

ohskigod

Micah, everyone has an opinion, and thats cool. Theres movies I hate with a deep passion that others seem to like, but I really need a list, from you, of movies you atually liked, and why. I have an impression that you hate every movie you see, but I'm sure I am wrong on that.

Batman is hard to keep loyal to the source material, because so many people have no idea what the source material is, thee has been so many versions and visions of Batman, I genuinly dont know the true source material.

jdhdiggs

Micah just needs to lose the notepad, quit looking up historical facts and watch the damn movie and try to enjoy them rather than trying to rate every single pixel of every frame. Seriously Micah, why did you watch the whole thing?

Source material? Yes, they took some liberties with the origins of Batman but at least you could understand the charactor in this one and why he was the way he was.

Fear? Did you watch the movie? No, he never tortured anyone that we saw but are you saying crucifying a mob boss across a spotlight wouldn't scare the crap out of other criminals?

It really does sound like you try and find ways not to enjoy movies just to be the contrarian or a wanna be artist. Try taking the movie for what it is- a semi-coherent cheeseball movie about a comic book charactor. I mean its not like they were using Pardise Lost as their basis, they were using a comic book. If you expect these movies to be serious then there is something wrong with your expectations.

aaharvel

jdhdiggs wrote:

It really does sound like you try and find ways not to enjoy movies just to be the contrarian or a wanna be artist.

LOL It's 'MOVIEPHILE' DAMNIT!

'MOVIEPHILE'!

Micah Cohen

So... You're saying I just shouldn't think, is that it? I should turn off my brain? I should eat whatever they put in front of me and not question where my money is being spent?

That I'd enjoy all this enjoyable stuff more if I had a lobotomy?

I think a film should be enjoyable, and I don't sit with a notepad when I watch a movie, and I love slam-bang sound design... But I also don't want to be insulted. And I think this movie insulted me. And you... I just don't understand why you weren't insulted by it.

I mean, I like Frankenheimer's film RONIN, with DeNiro and Jean Reno and Stellan Skarsg

jdhdiggs

Yup, pretty much. If you want to think, read a book. Don't keep expecting true intellectualism to be spoon fed to you through this media.

A true intellectual film is the exception and not the standard-Unfortuantely.

Micah Cohen

RONIN is practically brainless. But it doesn't insult me. HITCH was submental, it was nothing, fluffy popcorn. But it didn't insult me.

I just don't want to be insulted.

Bruce Wayne's mansion burns down. Don't you think that a guy as rich and smart and inventive as that would have had SPRINKLERS installed?

Don't insult me. At least show me that there are sprinklers and that, I dunno, the pipe bursts and renders them useless.

MC

jdhdiggs

Right, because a marble construction mansion that has been in a family for generations would have sprinklers? Not neccessarily. However, it wouldn't have gone up as quickly or as destructively as it did even with all the accelerants.

A house that old would have been grandfathered from sprinkler req's and they may have felt that running a pressurized pipe of sufficient size to provide some type of prevention was not worth the monatary and aesthetic cost for a secure facility with no neighbors and a full wait staff...?

Ricardo

Micah Cohen wrote:

RONIN is practically brainless. But it doesn't insult me. HITCH was submental, it was nothing, fluffy popcorn. But it didn't insult me.

I just don't want to be insulted.

Bruce Wayne's mansion burns down. Don't you think that a guy as rich and smart and inventive as that would have had SPRINKLERS installed?

Don't insult me. At least show me that there are sprinklers and that, I dunno, the pipe bursts and renders them useless.

MC

Micah,

I think it is sad that the fact that you are so critical does not allow you to enjoy a movie for what it is....something to entertain....

Just my opinion.

Ricardo.

Micah Cohen

What? Did you hear me? I enjoy RONIN - a totally brainless movie. I own the disc. I actually enjoyed HITCH, for cry eye. (Well, loads of hotties in the flick, too.) I ENJOY! I do ENJOY!

You can't NOT BE critical, tho, and just eat everything you are served. Hollywood counts on you being brainless and just accepting everything, and that's why we get a slew of remakes and unoriginal movies, over and over again. THE PINK PANTHER. THE PRODUCERS. HERBIE THE LOVE BUG... on and on. Do these things need to be REMADE? They don't, but no one complains. And that's why we get BATMAN BEGINS.

Don't you want MORE? Don't you want BETTER? Maybe you don't. I don't know.

MC

Ricardo

Sorry....you are right; you do enjoy some movies; it's just that I totally missed that part by the "no sprinkles" detail; I would think that is too critical....

McLoki

Micah Cohen wrote:

That I'd enjoy all this enjoyable stuff more if I had a lobotomy?

No, but we would enjoy it more if you did.....

Hey comon - just kidding. (if you had that labotomy you would be laughing your **** off right now... :D)

Michael

ohskigod

OK micah, I'll roll with ya on Ronin. I liked that movie alot. It actually reminds me to buy it on DVD because inexplicably, I dont own it.

However, are we going to compare believability points between the 2 movies (Ronin and Batman Begins)? Good lord, we could go on all day. Ronin had one of the coolest car chase scenes recorded on film. (multiple scenes actually) cool to watch, but do you think they would happen in real life? hell no. but cool to watch, hence the title entertainment.

If I had to pick a movie that stretches the believability factor to the point of annoyance (even for me) I could think of The Day After Tomorrow as an example. too much to mention without it being painful to think about, and yet I still found it entertaining. I find nothing wrong with a little brainless entertainment.
sometimes movies make you think, sometimes they just take you along for the ride.

for kicks, here's a list of movies I hate

Battlefield Earth (no need for an explanatioon, but didnt just cross the believability line, it acted as if it didnt exist )

Mars Attacks - this movie just friggin annoyed me. I do not besmirch others if they were entertained by it. It just made me crabby, like sticking pins in baby's eyeballs crabby.

Moll Flanders - I expect even a chick flick have a story that is somewhat captivating. Give the guy a litte reward for taking his respective check to see thi ****. this movie gave me nothing. this was the worst movie I have ever seen.

I could go on, but hate to hijack a thread

landry_p2000

I like this Batman better than all the prior movies put together. Bale is a better Wayne or Batman than even Keaton. I hated the Batman voice he(Bale) used, he sounded constipated.:rolleyes:
The first Batman IMO was a bore compared to this one. Action! Action! Action! Mindless entertainment or not, this one was watched by me Tuesday with the family and Saturday with a buddy. Everyone liked it better, and I enjoyed it both times. It explained in a more real-life way how Bruce Wayne aquired/made his Batman gear. Everything from the suit, utility belt, and Batmobile. I also thought the fabric was pretty cool. Ron was dead on, this was a more real-life Batman movie than the others, and that is what got me.

cfrizz

This is a thinking persons Batman & not just mindless entertainment.

landry_p2000

reeltrouble1 wrote:

I bought the CC one for 14.99, its not the SE though, but most times I just want the movie. Anyway, I am looking forward to a nice bowl of popcorn, cold drink and some good ole mindless Batman Entertainment.

RT1

Just repeating what was posted earlier. Never said I didn't think while watching. Still enjoyed it no matter what.

Demiurge

You can't NOT BE critical, tho, and just eat everything you are served.

Double negative, and it seems negativity is your only real fort

mantis

Micah,
seeing how you hate this movie so much , I suggest you go buy it and add it to your collection.Watch it again in your livingroom

Dan

jdhdiggs

Here's what I liked: It showed whay Batman was Batman, how and why he became what he is. The whole "My parents died in a mugging so I became a god of an athelete and genius in a lab" part really bothered me. This movie, along with the 2003 origins book make a lot more sense. He doesn't need the science or money part so the physical dedication made a lot more sense.

You (micah) couldn't figure out why he was in the oriental prison? Come on, it was spelled out for you. He was trying to rid the world by understanding it. He was arrested after helping people jack a shipment of Wayne Enterprizes material. What he found was that you can fight crime to ways and that some crime was for the good of humanity. The poor, needy stole to live. This is the crime his dad tried to rid Gotham of. The other crimes around greed and violance were the ones that he evolved to understand. Had he not made this revelation, he would have killed the man in the temple without hesitation and not been heroic in any sense, just a vigilanty. This made him human and also capable of being a super hero with a tragic flaw to be exploited. He walks the line and is in a constant battle with himself to not cross the line.

In all ways, the Batman charactor was far more real and developed than any of the other films, regardless of the acting. That is why I enjoyed this version.

Sami

I liked the look of this movie and the cynical Bruce Wayne much more than the older Batmans directed more for younger audiences. However I felt there was a lot missing from this one, I would have liked to see more of his journey back to Gotham and less about the action in Gotham. In my opinion the director tried to include too much into one movie and missed in getting much of anything in it. The stories were too short and to the point, not enough development.

All in all I think it would have been better without the "climax" we saw, that could have been saved for a sequal. Then again it's an action movie and too much story development might have pissed off the "brainless" audience...

criverajr

Micah,

I think you are reading to much into this, it's a movie from a cartoon, that in it's self should tell you all you need to know. Let me give you an example, in real "Life" you would have a better chance of seeing something happen like it did in Training Day than Batman but people still either loved it or hated it. I am with the others enjoy the flick, the ending in Ronin was shi**.

Crj

jdhdiggs

Sami, I think I agree with you, I liked the buildup of the charactor and would have been just happy with more development of Batman. His initial attempts at crime fighting and failures. The ending: have him donning the familiar mask as the last scene similar to ep 3

Micah Cohen

Look, I'm not FIGHTING with you all. Before I chimed in, this thread looked like this:

Post #1: I loved BATMAN BEGINS!
Post #2: Me too!
Post #3: Me too!
Post #4: I did too!

So what you all "liked" it? I'm throwing some spice into the mix -- why'd you like it? Because, it ain't a good movie. So, WHY?

You couldn't figure out why he was in the oriental prison?

What? That's not what I said. Read my post again. I don't care why he was in the prison, I care that I don't understand how he kicked the asses of six big guys using judo and Jedi knight stuff BEFORE he was trained by Ra's. If he could do that, what the heck did he need Ra's for? That kind of editing/writing slip-up is insulting. You should be insulted by it, instead of just buying it at face value.

This is a thinking persons Batman & not just mindless entertainment.

No true Batman fan would like this movie. It is a total mess-up of the Batman origin story, what with ninjas and Jedi knights and all that Doctor Strange crap. And if you think about it, which I have obviously been doing (too much), it doesn't make any sense and is an insult. In fact, in light of this movie, Michael Keaton was the "thinking man's Batman." Tim Burton's BATMAN was a kitchy piece of crap as a movie, but Keaton was a thoughtful, interesting, tortured, unexpected, conflicted and well acted Bruce Wayne (in both the original and the first sequel), and the eight minutes that The Batman is onscreen in that first movie, especially when you first see him, those are eight EFFECTIVE and well done minutes.

it's a movie from a cartoon

No, it's a movie from a comic book. And that comic book told a simple story, not a cartoon story but a real narrative story. Which so far has eluded filmmakers FIVE times. The origin of Batman in the original DC comic was about a page long. How come we got FIVE MOVIES, and they all sucked?

So I want to see more posts about what all of us braindead monkeys are missing.

Okay. Rent DARKMAN with Liam Neeson. If you haven't seen it, you're missing a comic book movie about a tortured vigilante hero who's got no "good side," who is exactly what Ra's told Bruce he needs to be: no mercy. You're missing the movie that Sam Raimi made before SPIDERMAN, like a practice run, in which he deploys all the tricks of the trade (all the stuff that makes Sam Raimi a good director), some of which he lost touch with in the big budget opportunity of making SPIDERMAN. DARKMAN is a small, effective, fun, well done film. And it's everything BATMAN BEGINS should have been. Darkman is basically Batman. DARKMAN is the best Batman movie never made.

And sure I'm a movie snob! I don't want to be insulted. (As I said, correctly: You can not NOT BE critical, then you're just a vegetable.) But I love loads of idiotic movies. The trick is that a movie has to not INSULT ME. If I'm watching a stupid movie, like Geena Davis in THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT, for instance, make it smart, man! Let me suspend my disbelief without throwing up obstacles. Make it GOOD, and make it WELL. Anyone for THE ADVENTURES OF FORD FAIRLANE? Stupid, stupid movie, correct? But it's done so well, and written so effectively, and wrapped up so tightly, that IT WORKS without undue insult to me. I'm fine with that. See that flick ELF, with that funny guy whatever his name is who's in everything now? That was **** FUNNY! And I bought it! It worked! Well written, well acted, and didn't insult my intelligence!

Other Dumb Movies I Own & Enjoy Because They Don't Insult Me (Much):
THE ABYSS
BLADE
DEAD CALM
THE EDGE
THE FUGITIVE
HEAVY METAL
LABYRINTH
THE MINUS MAN
PAYBACK
PLANET OF THE APES
SLAP SHOT
TEAM AMERICA
THE WEDDING SINGER

Each one of these stinkers is dumb in its own way. BUT THEY DON'T INSULT ME. And I like them better than BATMAN BEGINS.

What a boring thread this would be -- everyone just "liking stuff" -- if I didn't throw some water on this fire.

MC