Opinion on Kicker

Systems
Systems Posts: 14,873
edited August 2005 in Car Subwoofer Talk
What is all of your opinions on Kicker stuff? I personally kinda like the L5 for the "Boom Boom" factor, and I thought that the SQ was pretty decent as well. Any opinions, experiances, ect.?

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  • denim
    denim Posts: 79
    edited May 2005
    I have always liked kicker,

    some very good service, solid products, amps have always been one of my favorites, the new SX amps are unreal

    the L7, for the money, is a great sub for decent sound and strong output,

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2005
    On the same note, which do you guys think would be louder 2 x L5 on an Infinity 1200.1 amp or 1 x L7 on a 500 watt amp?

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2005
    O and I almost forgot the 2 x L5's would be in seperate sealed enclosures and the L7 would be in one of Kickers big ported enclosures.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited May 2005
    The 2 L5's will be louder, but the L7 will be able to extend a little deeper by a few Hz. You'll have to decide if you want SPL's or SQ.

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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited May 2005
    Thanks for the info, any opinions on Kickers amps? Are they good, under/over powered, good value?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited May 2005
    The 2 L5's getting 600 watts each will be louder than a single L7 getting 500 watts. Hell anytime you have 1200 watts against 500 watts the 1200 is always gonna be louder.

    Which would be faster A Civic with 500 hp or a Civic with 120 hp? Kinda the same thing.

    Kicker is very good gear. The L5 is an excellent sounding sub. In my opinion it doesnt sound any worse than the L7 nor will the L7 go any lower. The difference is mainly in the power handling.

    Kicker amps are great as well. Not as good as MTX but very good.
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited May 2005
    Kicker has put out solid products over the years. I am still running their ZR and ZX series amps in my car. These came out around 1997 or so. No problems with these old boys thus far. I believe that their older amps were better than what they have now, but they still put out good products.

    Their customer service is top notch, as well as their technical support. I have dealt with both of them.

    I previously owned a Kicker S12L7 and ran it with a Kicker KX600.1 amplifier putting out around 740 watts RMS. The sound output was strong, and it sounded good. I then decided to go with something geared more towards SQ, so I went with my Soundplinter sub.


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  • denim
    denim Posts: 79
    edited June 2005
    if your not competing, I feel the single L7 in the proper enclosure with 750+ watts is more than enough for daily needs,

    the 8L7 will suprise you
  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by denim
    if your not competing, I feel the single L7 in the proper enclosure with 750+ watts is more than enough for daily needs,

    the 8L7 will suprise you

    Definitely! Those little square muthas can move some air! I think they sound very good too. Id have no problem owning one. In fact my #2 choice for my next sub right under the IDQ 10 is a L5 8.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod

    Kicker amps are great as well. Not as good as MTX but very good.
    id take kickers amps over mtx's anyday actually...
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Why?

    They arent as overbuilt as MTX.

    They dont make as much power as a comparable MTX.

    They dont have as low noise specs.

    They do have better features tho, especially on the SX models which literally have a digital processor built in!
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Why?

    They arent as overbuilt as MTX.

    They dont make as much power as a comparable MTX.

    They dont have as low noise specs.

    They do have better features tho, especially on the SX models which literally have a digital processor built in!

    My Kicker's are still going. I bought my 4ch ZX460 in 1997 :). How is that for overbuilt. I have even run the rear channels at a 2ohm bridged mode when I did not have a sub amp.

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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2005
    have you ever seen the insides of a kicker amp compared to a similar mtx amp?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Not saying Kicker is junk, just that MTX amps are built like tanks! Theyve been legendary for over a decade as being absurdly overbuilt and are about the most underrated amps on the market!
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by exalted512
    have you ever seen the insides of a kicker amp compared to a similar mtx amp?
    -Cody

    I would be interested in seeing pictures.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Ive seen the inside of one of the old RF Power amps compared to an MTX. The difference was quite noticeable, especially in the power supply.
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2005
    And which amp had the more substantial looking guts?
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by audiobliss
    And which amp had the more substantial looking guts?

    Ill give ya 3 guesses!

    Hint: what brand of amp do I recommend 99% of the time! :D
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  • audiobliss
    audiobliss Posts: 12,518
    edited June 2005
    Umm, uhh, .......err,.........JBL!!! No, no, wait a minute.....umm,.........Audiobahn!! Nah, that's not it; umm,....uhh.......can I use a life-line?
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  • 1996blackmax
    1996blackmax Posts: 2,436
    edited June 2005
    The one Kicker amp I opened was a DX700. That thing had a huge Torroidal transformer as well as several other components. The thing was pretty impressive looking on the inside.

    If you want overbuilt go with ARC :D . I believe it was one of the things mentioned about one of their amps that I read a review on.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited June 2005
    Originally posted by audiobliss
    I would be interested in seeing pictures.
    go to a forum like www.caraudioforum.com and search for ****
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited June 2005
    Ya cant ever get in there. The server is always too busy.

    MTX had those pics on their website but since they discontinued the old style Thunder amp they took those pictures down as well. :mad:
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  • bigunz28
    bigunz28 Posts: 4
    edited July 2005
    i work at circiut city and i think that kicker is a great product but on a sound quality out look it doesnt compair to the momo series
  • denim
    denim Posts: 79
    edited August 2005
    the Kicker SX amps are very impressive,

    I would reccomend looking into ZED Audio amps, they are audiophile level amps at reasonable prices
  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited August 2005
    my 6year old Kicker Amp still works for my DVC Alphine Sub. It says 300 watts but it's underpowered- the volume AND bass boost are turned all the way up and I get a perfect blend (should only have to turn it halfway for that?). Regardless- the amp might just not be designed for a DVC sub. I'm pleased with it. I'm not looking to rattle house windows.
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  • CrBoy
    CrBoy Posts: 580
    edited August 2005
    MacLeod wrote:
    Not saying Kicker is junk, just that MTX amps are built like tanks! Theyve been legendary for over a decade as being absurdly overbuilt and are about the most underrated amps on the market!

    I have seen MTX amps producing 2+ times the rated RMS power at 12.5v... that's overbuilt...!!!
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited August 2005
    that's not overbuilt, that's foolish and unnecessary...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited August 2005
    Foolish and unnecessary? Where do you get that?

    Most dont make twice their rated power but they do exceed it by a wide margin. Thats a good thing if you ask me. You pay for a 50x4 amp and get a 80x4 amp.
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited August 2005
    you're not going to get an mtx doing twice its rated power... those days are long gone.

    back when the old Blue Thunder Pro series was out, you may readily see 50 to 75% "over power" at 12.5 volts on the birth sheet. (thats assuming you trust the birth sheet - i do, but some people may not).

    those days are over, i do repeat.

    a Thunder or Thunder X000 series would give you usually around 15-20% overpower... but the build quality is what truly forged me forever an mtx loyalist.

    i do truly believe that mtx amps were built to take a beating, come back for more, and in the unusual event the took a **** on you, they are designed in such a way that facilitates quick and easy repair.

    i've reworked about 40 amps now in my few years of **** with this stuff, and i am more than glad to say that mtx has a 100% "life after death" rate so far. Old Orion stuff (prior to the DEI buyout) is right up there as well. Same goes for Precision Power (PPI) and [believe it or not] Profile California junk. But JBL, Infinity, Jensen, Rockford, Power Acoustic .... ****, I got ONE damn JBL to come back... rest were complete toast.
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  • PoweredByDodge
    PoweredByDodge Posts: 4,185
    edited August 2005
    PS...

    to bigunz over there workin at CC - dude, get your head out of the proverbial bubble. if CC went back to selling kenwood excelon stuff, you'd say that was "a good product" - you'd be right, but that's not the point. look at the **** you guys Schlep every day... Bazooka, Verve or whatever that no name brand is, Kicker (yup i said kicker), Panasonic... ya i'm sure panasonic has the market cornered on speaker design... jesus christ...

    why don't they just hauk "White Westinghouse" 5.25" generic speakers like K-mart used to.

    you could get a "premium grade car audio install kit" which consisted of a AM/FM tape deck, four 5.25" DUAL CONE speakers (wizzer cone tweets), and about 1,000 feet of 24 gauge wire for $34.99 - all by our friends at Westinghouse.

    they make refridgerators, and audio - seems like a natural progression.
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