How close are you to Highend? True highend sound

LuSh
LuSh Posts: 887
edited May 2005 in 2 Channel Audio
I've come to met a few people here that share a real passion for music and ensuring that one day they'll get a rig that truely makes them happy without compromise. What have people upgraded to recently? What's left? Where do you think you'll settle? Have you had a taste of true highend?

With my DAC, Transport, Wiring all set for the long haul. Next will be the speakers. I have mentioned in the past my desire for Reference 3a's abut Gallo Nucleas Reference 3's also look interesting. My intergrated amp (simaudio moon) will get me through the next couple years, but ideally I think a Jeff Rowland, Y B A or i-5 Simaudio is where I want to be. I think by this time I will have a sense of what true high end music reproduction will entail without spending several 10's of thousands of dollars on my hobby.

Where do you see your system developing to down the road? Where do you feel you'll draw the line?
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2005
    I draw the line where most people do -- with money. At some point you'll reach the plateau of diminishing returns where you'll have to spend 100% more money for a 1% "improvement." Just depends on how fat your wallet is. I'm already there, so you can kinda guess that my wallet's been on the Slim Fast diet for quite some time. Yes, I'd like to "try" some more expensive speakers, but I ain't gonna buy 'em. I heard a $14K pair of speakers that sounded like ****, so that's what convinced me about the value of upgrading. Besides, I can't afford for my system to sound like ****.:p
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    edited May 2005
    For me, I'm in between the beginning stage and the achievement stage. I'm been on a journey that has taken me beyond what I expected my system to be at this point in time... however, there is always something to improve upon. The funds arent there - so I will have to make do with what I have for the most part. Not like there is anything wrong with what I have, IMO.

    The only thing I see in my immediate future is a center - that's all for the upgrading aspect.

    Not until I make some actual disposable income will I move up towards true high-end. I am very content with what I have and my knocking on the high-end door.... or atleast in the driveway. :D
    Magico M2, JL113v2x2, EMM, ARC Ref 10 Line, ARC Ref 10 Phono, VPIx2, Lyra Etna, Airtight Opus1, Boulder, AQ Wel&Wild, SRA Scuttle Rack, BlueSound+LPS, Thorens 124DD+124SPU, Sennheiser, Metaxas R2R
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited May 2005
    Define "true high-end." I think any system that meets the minimum requirements to be considered "high-fidelity" IS high-end.

    The important thing is that the listener has the sound they're looking for. Having said that, aside from an up-coming speaker cable change, I'm done for a long, long time....I'm enjoying the music.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2005
    hIGH END, or High fidelity.. did i spell that right? LOL

    I don't care nor can afford High end.. some of my gear is "higher end" then the typical non audio nut but no where near "HIGH END"

    I echo steve, if it sounds good and meets your requirements and taste for sound... Its "your" high end.. But i have a feeling this thread isnt about that... no agenda intended with that comment either.. :) I know you run alot of high dollar gear and cables so do you mean according to the user or price tag? just curious..

    as for my system, I don't nit pick it and love the sound right now. Just wanna roll tubes and sit back and listen.
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited May 2005
    By True High end, I mean having listened to a cost no object system, and trying to acheive that sound through any means possible. Money doesn't always dictate performance.
  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited May 2005
    I am so far from high end it's not even funny.

    but i guess if it's high end to you and you enjoy the sound and have put some effort into getting components that sound good do you..then i would be satisfied in calling it "hi fi".
    PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
    Vancouver, Canada Sept 30th, 2012 - Madonna concert :cheesygrin:
  • Spawndn72
    Spawndn72 Posts: 453
    edited May 2005
    I have never listened to a "cost is no object" system before and I am kinda glad that I haven't.

    I see a new pre-amp in my future, new speaker wires and I want to get my TT refurbished but past that I am very happy with my low to mid-fi stereo.

    Just for refrence I have:

    Adcom GA-545 amp
    Adcom GTP-400 pre
    Pioneer DVD/Multi-format player
    Dual 704 TT
    Pioneer RT-707 R2R
    Polk Monitor 7 speakers
    Acoustic Research cables
    14Ga lampcord speaker wire.
    Setup:
    Adcom GFA-545 amp
    Nad 1600 pre
    Dual 704 TT
    Pioneer 707 R2R
    Pioneer DV-578A Multi-format
    Polk SDA-2 Mains
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited May 2005
    Spawn
    Your equipment is niether low or mid-fi in my book. You've got a very fine system from what I see.

    The term "high-end" was developed so audio snobs* with deep pockets can somehow justify spending unbelievable amounts of money on equipment that performs marginally better than something a tenth of the price found with careful research.

    High Fidelity is high fidelity. If your system is capable of reproducing the frequency spectrum applicable to humans, while keeping distortion and noise to a minimum, and doing so in a realistic fashion; you're there.

    *EDITED: Replaced "small-dicked audiophiles" with "audio snobs."
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited May 2005
    "DITTO"
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2005
    The term "high-end" was developed so small-dicked audiophiles with deep pockets can somehow justify spending unbelievable amounts of money on equipment that performs marginally better than something a tenth of the price found with careful research.

    That about sums it up.

    If I may use an analogy, let's take restaurants. Now there's fast food restaurants and on the other end of the spectrum there's four star restaurants. Both have delicious meals, but just because the four star restaurant costs 20 times more doesn't mean the food tastes any better. The taste of food is just as subjective as the taste for sound in music. Sure, the food might look nicer, you may get better service, etc., at the finer restaurant, but in the end, it all turns to ****.:p
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited May 2005
    I'll never get there, I'm stuck with grunt Polk and Onkyo gear, but I won't enjoy my system any less. :)
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited May 2005
    It's not a contest, it's about enjoying music.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • Spawndn72
    Spawndn72 Posts: 453
    edited May 2005
    It's not a contest, it's about enjoying music.

    I have always thought that the kid listening to his favorite band on a cheap boom box is alot happier than the guy trying to decided which $5,000 set of interconnects sound better.
    Setup:
    Adcom GFA-545 amp
    Nad 1600 pre
    Dual 704 TT
    Pioneer 707 R2R
    Pioneer DV-578A Multi-format
    Polk SDA-2 Mains
  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited May 2005
    I've got high end, BOSE! Top that beoythches!
  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by marker
    I've got high end, BOSE! Top that beoythches!

    and about 4 to many rigs in your sig :D
    MY HT RIG:
    Sherwood p-965
    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


    2 Channel Rig:

    nad 1020 Pre-amp
    Rotel 1080 stereo amp
    Polk sda 2B
    kenwood grunt Tuner
    realistic lab 450 TT
    Signal cable IC
  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited May 2005
    I have always thought that the kid listening to his favorite band on a cheap boom box is alot happier than the guy trying to decided which $5,000 set of interconnects sound better.

    AMEN.
    HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50” LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub

    "God grooves with tubes."
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2005
    I 'am' high end.

    My newest reference rig below.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited May 2005
    THAT is awesome, I swear I can almost smell Sandalwood incense....
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2005
    No Steve, that smell would be weed.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited May 2005
    I consider my equipment at the low side of high end. It has always been my experience that to move to a higher level you must spend more. I understand that some people can spend way too much for no gain but I'm not talking about that group. I'm talking about people who know what they are doing. There is a reason one amp costs $500 and another costs $5000. I'm not saying you cannot be happy with either one, just that there are differences if set up properly. Of course within any given cost range you will find pieces of equipment which cost more but deliver less.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited May 2005
    Russ,

    Ihad one of those systems when I was 11 years old. Played alot of KISS, QUEEN, and DOOBIES on it, too.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • Skynut
    Skynut Posts: 2,967
    edited May 2005
    Right now I am pretty happy with what I have, My future plan involves a new amp and acoustic treatments. I have got to get my sound deflection under control.
    Skynut
    SOPA® Founder
    The system Almost there
    DVD Onkyo DV-SP802
    Sunfire Theater Grand II
    Sherbourn 7/2100
    Panamax 5510 power conditioner (for electronics)
    2 PSAudio UPC-200 power conditioners (for amps)
    Front L/R RT3000p (Bi-Wired)
    Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
    Center RT2000p's (Bi-Wired) (on each side of the television)
    Sur FX1000
    SVS ultra plus 2

    www.ShadetreesMachineShop.com
    Thanks for looking
  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    I 'am' high end.

    My newest reference rig below.

    I'm assuming that was placed out in the road on purpose in the hopes someone would run over it :rolleyes:
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
  • Skynut
    Skynut Posts: 2,967
    edited May 2005
    Originally posted by RuSsMaN
    I 'am' high end.

    My newest reference rig below.

    That is one pimped out rig you got there. Do I see 8 track?
    Skynut
    SOPA® Founder
    The system Almost there
    DVD Onkyo DV-SP802
    Sunfire Theater Grand II
    Sherbourn 7/2100
    Panamax 5510 power conditioner (for electronics)
    2 PSAudio UPC-200 power conditioners (for amps)
    Front L/R RT3000p (Bi-Wired)
    Center CS1000p (Bi-Wired) (under the television)
    Center RT2000p's (Bi-Wired) (on each side of the television)
    Sur FX1000
    SVS ultra plus 2

    www.ShadetreesMachineShop.com
    Thanks for looking
  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited May 2005
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited May 2005
    (WE DO NOT HAVE THE BUBBLE TOP that goes over the receiver )

    Well I don't know about you guys but that's a show stopper for me right there :rolleyes:

    BTW, they don't mention the chair.
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited May 2005
    If you like it what it does, it's high end. Or should I say it is to you.

    Now, if that doesn't meet someone elses "standard", so be it. I am not into this to keep up with the Jones. I'm in this for me, eff the friggin Jones.

    I have heard some pretty good rigs. Would I like to emulate that sound? Not really. I want to acheive what I want. Do I have to spend a fortune? Maybe, maybe not.

    I am still building. It won't ever stop. But I'm not trying to reach "audio nirvana". If that's your aim, then hey, whatever blows your skirt up. My priorities may differ.

    Just my .02.
  • aaharvel
    aaharvel Posts: 4,489
    edited May 2005
    MCINTOSH from what I hear from others would be "high-end"

    I've SEEN (not heard) their gear in Magazines and was absolutely floored. Gorgeous. I'm wondering how much better they are then Adcom...?

    Could you imagine hooking their stuff up to a simple pair of rti-4's? hehehe...

    until then i'll keep on dreaming. =(
    H/K Signature 2.1+235
    Jungson MagicBoat II
    Revel Performa M-20
    Velodyne cht-10 sub
    Rega P1 Turntable

    "People working at Polk Audio must sit around the office and just laugh their balls off reading many of these comments." -Lush
  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited May 2005
    Kudos to Zero and amulford!!!!!!!!!!


    Couldn't have said it better myself.
    "SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
    CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE"
  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited May 2005
    Somewhere this thread got derailed into "its not about highend its about what people like" arguement. I really don't care about those comments I was more interested in what people like F1nut wanted to do down the road and a few others I enjoy talking to from time to time.