Pb12-isd

landry_p2000

Can anyone give me the low down on this sub. I read about it on the website, but experience is the best teacher.

What type of impact will this have on my current set-up? I know it will be positive for me. If I get this sub, should I keep the PSW505 hooked up as well? Will this sub do better alone?

I read in a previous post that I am missing alot of bass from certain scenes in certain movies. (Master and Commander) That sucks! I want to enjoy my movies to the fullest. The Hz in a lot of these movies are way too low for my sub to reach, and that is worth an upgrade in this dept. any day. Well I will stop rambling on and get to it, so one day soon I can upgrade.

I am saving a little cash to the side for this sub and I am anxiously waiting for this to be added to my HT. I have made up my mind about the SVS I want, but I am just a little curious. Any input would be greatly appreciated.:)

Thanks,

Landry

Early B.

Sell the 505 and put the proceeds towards the purchase of the PB-12. You already know it's a great sub and that it's gonna be better than what you've got, so what else do you need to know?

Nelson57

Hey Landry

I just upgraded to the SVS PB10-ISD and couldn't be happier, so I can only imagine what you'll get with the 12. I hear levels of depth in movies that I certainly did not hear before.

I am watching movies again for the very first time!

I would say try your system with both 505 and the SVS, and then with SVS alone to see how you like the sound.

I have my PB10 paired with an HSU-STF-2, and together they wreek-havoc! Go for it man!

faster100

Ive had 2 Svs's, the pb-12 Great sub, miles better then the other subs i had... and now have a pb12/isd2 i guess its called now, dual 12's and its a monster... overkill... sounds fantastic... i really like the big Svs's better for movies but thats why i have a two channel rig for... Music..

I say ditch the 505 and use the money for the svs as mentioned already.. Polk makes good subs... SVS makes fantastic subs... period.. other brands and all... but for impact and bass, SVS for me......

VR3

The PCi 25-31 is the same thing, just ask for the free 22hz tune and yall be set... save 50 bucks, and alot on shipping...

Amazing sub too, thing hits well into the teens in my room...

landry_p2000

Thanks for the input guys. I will probably re-watch a lot of my movies. Two SVS subs may get me a night or two in the garage.
That settles it the 505 will go. I got a buddy that will give me $300 for it. Hopefully it won't be long before I take the SVS plunge.

Hey Sid, isn't that a cylinder sub? I like those subs as well, but I was going to try to stay with the short box look subs. What will shipping run me on that PB12-ISD?

VR3

Cylinder subs are better....just are...

You need to get one, you just do...

Shipping would be near double that of the cylinder...

And the cylinder I am talking about will take up less space than the box and will only be 11-12" taller

faster100

Not to have my nose up Doc specs arse, But he knows alot about subs and bass... he started with a cylinder sub and now has had 2 large box subs... By svs anyways... I would think if they werent as good, he would still have a tube sub.. No?

The box subs do weigh alot more, and are quite a bit larger... you really never understand their size until it arrives.. These arent small boxes by no means... even the single 12" unit...

gregure

Read enough online, and from the SVS website, to gather that the Cylinders will give you excellent performance for the money, but the boxes will hit harder and louder than the cylinders. The design is simply better for that kind of performance, whereas the cylinder is more efficient, but less powerful. Go w/ a box if that is what you are used to. The SVS will not disappoint. I've been extremely happy w/ my PB 10 ISD, their entry level model. I've heard better, at $1800 a pop. The PB 10 is $430. I'm sure the new PB 12 Ultra is an amazing unit. Will be seriously considering ponying up for that one, however I could be in the position to get some reference high end subs for dirt cheap, so I may hold out for those. Otherwise I would choose the new PB 12 Ultra hands down.

VR3

That is the biggest line of BS I've read in a while...

A speaker dosn't know WHAT enclosure it is. Beit box or cylinder. They have the same power and tuning frequencies. The SINGLE subs cylinder or box will hit the same, but one wont break your back while doing it...

The reason doc went with the box subs is simple I think, it is better to have a sub built to have two side by side drivers, than buy two subs and put them side by side (I'd think) - I guess you can do it... (looks better too)

But Cylinder Vs. Box is not what your making it. Cylinders if anything won't be as loud due to no resonances, a cylinder dosnt flex, those boxes do. If anything, with no bracing - they will be boomier.

Light weight, can roll, hits the same, cost less - you just gotta have the liking of the cylinders looks to purchase it...

Another thing, if you get the PCi 25-31 without the 22hz tune, it will actually be LOUDER than the box sub

landry_p2000

I got a little time to think about it, but if you get close to the same sound from either box or cylinder, I am leaning toward the box. Just for the looks of it. The cylinder subs look good also on the SVS site. I feel that way because I have never looked at a cylinder sub in person, in someone else's home. You guys got any links with photos of in home cylinder subs?

Is the "Bash" amp in the PSW505 made by the same company as the amps in the SVS?

Early B.

Yeah, go with the box. I never liked the cheesy cloth surrounding the cylinders or the perforated top that can easily get bent. May not be kid or pet friendly, either. However, it makes for a great conversation piece.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by Early B.
Yeah, go with the box. I never liked the cheesy cloth surrounding the cylinders or the perforated top that can easily get bent. May not be kid or pet friendly, either. However, it makes for a great conversation piece.

The cylinders don't strike me as being too sturdy either. I will go with the box sub most likely. I would not mind paying a little more for shipping if it is worth it.

PolkThug

comparison

Nelson57

Polk thug, I've seen charts measuring subs performance before and I'm not ashamed to say I do not understand what they mean.

I feel comfortable asking questions on this forum, so could you, or anyone else, please explain the chart you posted to me in laymans terms?

VR3

The cylinders are BRICKS dude, and use very very thick cloth around it, everything about them are top notch - just like the box subs...



The cylinders, if anything are stronger than the boxes, I don't see why people have problems under-standing this... lol

VR3

That chart is pretty simple, the horizontal numbers are the frequencies

The vertical numbers is the SPL

For instance, lets say the frequency is 100hz, and its hitting 85db

Early B.

The cylinders are lint magnets. Over time, airborne particles accumulate on the fabric and make them look like an emaciated cat with AIDS rubbed it's **** on it. The boxes, however, are built to last. I've had children jump up and down on my box -- no problem. Let's see how long a cylinder holds up with a child jumping on top of it. (Just bustin' your balls, Sid):p

Now the cylinders with the satin finish on 'em -- super sweet!

VR3

Hehe, that is one thing, the boxes wont be as easy to tip over... well the cylinders arnt either... but they dont weigh NEAR as much as the boxes, I believe mine weighs in around 60 pounds...

If you have a hard-wood floor, the cylinders are known to bounce around...

And man...I wish I could afford the Satin finish! muahaha

Willow

That is nice !

Nelson57

Hey guys, please bear with me regarding reading this chart. So here goes, at the 16 horizontal point I see the blue line at 90 vertical and the pink line at 70 vertical.

But what exactly does that mean? What is this telling me in regards to the comparison of the two subwoofers?

VR3

The dual SVS are hitting 90db at 16hz, while the Polk is only hitting 70db at 16hz (20 db increase with the SVS) - you would have a jaw-dropping moment at this point.

billbillw

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
The dual SVS are hitting 90db at 16hz, while the Polk is only hitting 70db at 16hz (20 db increase with the SVS) - you would have a jaw-dropping moment at this point.

Nelson,
Also realize that this graph does not reflect peak output.
This is a comparison of subs that are adjusted to output at the same reference volume. That is why they are so close at the higher frequencies. SVS just performs much, much better at the lower frequencies. And remember, that graph is for the 10" version. The 12" version will be even better down low.

landry_p2000

That is wild. Dual 10" SVS kicking the hell out of dual 12" Polks. Go Figure. That is all I need to be sold on the SVS.

PolkThug, I think if you would have got 12s, you may end up blowing the screen out of your TV.:D I think I will be very happy with the 12" SVS.

How much is that satin finish SVS? (Just curious)

landry_p2000

Originally posted by Early B.
The cylinders are lint magnets. Over time, airborne particles accumulate on the fabric and make them look like an emaciated cat with AIDS rubbed it's **** on it. The boxes, however, are built to last. I've had children jump up and down on my box -- no problem. Let's see how long a cylinder holds up with a child jumping on top of it. (Just bustin' your balls, Sid):p

Now the cylinders with the satin finish on 'em -- super sweet!

LMFAO!!:D

tryrrthg

Originally posted by landry_p2000
That is wild. Dual 10" SVS kicking the hell out of dual 12" Polks. Go Figure. That is all I need to be sold on the SVS.

One of the main reasons for that is the Polk sub is just not tuned to play that low. The polk sub is tuned to like 35hz that makes it damn near impossible to play much lower with the steep roll off past the tune point. The SVS is tuned around 20hz. If the two were tuned near the same frequency it might be different.

Nelson57

Okay, now I think I've got it. If I'm understanding this correctly, as it relates to this chart db=the volume being put by the speaker. The higher the db the higher the volume.

When it comes to subs the volume you are interested in is the low frequency, therefore:
Low frequency at High Voulme-16hz at 90db is better than
Low frequency at Lower Volume-16hz at 70db.

The higher the db at lower frequency the better my listening and watching experience will be. Is this about right?

Early B.

Yeah, but you're making it complicated. Look at it like this -- the SVS subs play louder at the lowest frequencies than the Polks. Period.

You should know that the human ear generally hears frequencies no lower than 20 Hz, so if a sub goes under 20Hz, you will feel it even though you may not hear it. For a sub, generally the louder and lower it goes (albeit, properly calibrated and with minimal distortion), the better it is for the HT experience. So when a bomb explodes in the movie, you want it to sound and feel as though the entire room is about to collapse. You need a powerful sub for that. Sissy subs need not apply.

Nelson57

now I know whats been happening since I got the SVS PB10. I watched U571 and I felt like the room was going to fall apart during the depth charger scene. It was downright scary!!

Critter

Just got a 16-46 cylinder ordered and I am very much looking forward to getting it. I don't think it is going to look bad and expect the sound to go to mind numbing lows. It's not going to take up as much space as a floor sub and I think it will have a very nice kewl factor to it. Besides, it's all good, its made by svs...

beardog03

I just got the PC ULTRA..

let me just say....It is something everybody should experience...:D

I like the cylinder a lot...it took a long time for me to decide between the box or tube

U571
Nemo

awesome..!

I wish I had the green to get a PB12 ISD/2 and do a side by side
It would probably be total overkill to have two 12`s but...

any one you choose...you can`t go wrong

SVS Rocks
and the have an outstanding CS